Practicing or Appearing?

[STA]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

@TLK

I am not talking about Jubba. I can be out there naked, and will be committing sin, but that will not make a kaafir

@STA

indeed, being nanga will not make you kaffir. I dont think muzna was discussing kafir or non kafir thingy. i think she is interested in appearance vs practice. and possible stereotypical appearance of muslims.

@TLK

So extreme of appearance cannot make you kaafir, but extreme of not practicing can - so here is muzna’s answer.

damn it, I am doomed

@STA

it is believe which makes you muslim. you are being muslim appearing muslim practicing muslim, but if that (believe) is not there. all are worthless,

on the other extreme, you are alcoholic, involved in major sins, worst person in community, but you hold believe , you are muslim.

p.s. “you” is not used for you.

@TLK

No both are not equally important. And I will answer under STA’s comment

Believe is substantiated by practice, and that is why according to some aalims, a be-namazi of 3 days is wajibul qatal as he is murtid (one who no longer believes). No aalim says that a nunga muslim is wajibul qatal. Thay is another example of practice is more important than appearance.

@TLK

agar koi hijab na kare, yaa darhee na rukhkhay tou kiya kaafir ho jaa’e gaa?

Agar koi namaaz roza chor de tou kaafir ho jaa’ye gaa?

please simple answer deejiye gaa, yes or no main

@P_G

nahi dono sortoon main kaafir nahi ho ga…

lakin app kia darhe or hijab ko apperence or roza or namaz ko practice main dal ker alag alag ker rahay hain ?

@TLK

Agar main namaz roza chor doon musalsal, tou kya mera eeman khtam nahi ho ja’e gaa?

@TLK

Jee.

Kya kuch Ulema ke nazdeek 3 din ka be-namazi murtid ke barabar aur wajibul qatal nahi?

Be-darhi tou srif Taliban ke deen main wajibul qatal hain (lol, sorry)

@P_G

nahi bilkul nahi .. ,

namaz roza hijab naqab beard is ko chornay say koi kaafir nahi hota..

or namaz roza or hijaab or beard kay farz/sunnat honay ka zubaan say inkar kerna ya is ley chorna k main isay islam ka hukam nahi maanta

yeh baat KAAFIr keray gee..k ab islam say bahir nikal gaya

**werna is hadees ka kia mutlub lain gay

jis nay kalmia perha lia woh jannat main jayee ga( agar gunah gar hay to saza pa ker )**

@TLK

PG post 34 ka jawaab dain.

@P_G

3 din ka bay namazi to khair kissi k nazdeek bhi kaafir ya wajib ul qatal nahi

yeh alag behas hai hanbli or shafaye fiqah main…

@TLK

Haan jab hamara point ooper aaney laga tou behes alag ho ga’ee. Lol

Waisay Imam Malik kee bhee yeahi rai thee.

Chalain maaf kiya aap ko

TLK Sahab, why are you so interested in kafir/non kafir debate. OP is not asking who is who.

and you ask same question, from me and P_G.

Was there any reason of asking? I want to know.

[P_G]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

@STA

TLK Sahab, why are you so interested in kafir/non kafir debate. OP is not asking who is who.

and you ask same question, from me and P_G.

Was there any reason of asking? I want to know.

mera khiyal hai TLK is say yeh ferq kerna chah rahay hain k iman ka madaar practice per hay or apperence per nahi

jahan tak mujhay samjh aya hay

or mujhay yehe confusion hay k appernce to khud ik practice hay is ko alag kaysay karain tension

[TLK]

PG, kyun nahi ban sakta?

STa, is asking the same question from two different people wrong? And you never answered it anyways so it does not matter.

And the most basic parameter in Islam about what it's important and what is not is what could make your kaafir, and what could keep your eemaan intact. So there is nothing wrong in bringing that aspect in.

[STA]

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@TLK

PG, kyun nahi ban sakta?

STa, is asking the same question from two different people wrong? And you never answered it anyways so it does not matter.

And the most basic parameter in Islam about what it’s important and what is not is what could make your kaafir, and what could keep your eemaan intact. So there is nothing wrong in bringing that aspect in.

acha, you can not read my answer. nice excuse. answer was there, you never read them. bad habit.

you are again mixing dress with believe. there is no such relation which could make you kafir even if you are not following dress code. go and read… post # 41: second and fourth quotation. next time read them before asking question.

[P_G]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

PG, kyun nahi ban sakta?

STa, is asking the same question from two different people wrong? And you never answered it anyways so it does not matter.

And the most basic parameter in Islam about what it's important and what is not is what could make your kaafir, and what could keep your eemaan intact. So there is nothing wrong in bringing that aspect in.

acha hijaab or beard practice nahi ?
just say yes or no ?

[TLK]

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acha hijaab or beard practice nahi ? just say yes or no ?

Ahcha Hijab aur beard deen ke buniyadi paanch arkaan main hain?

yes or no?

[TLK]

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@STA

acha, you can not read my answer. nice excuse. answer was there, you never read them. bad habit.

you are again mixing dress with believe. there is no such relation which could make you kafir even if you are not following dress code. go and read… post # 41: second and fourth quotation. next time read them before asking question.

achcha baba miss ho gaya. abhi parhtaa hoon

[P_G]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

Oh I remember watching that... had Bollywood muslims. Agree with TLK.. namaz na parho aur mullah ban ke ghoomo to kia faida.

namaz perho or disco clubs main ja sharab peo or naacho to namaz ka bhi kia faida ?

[STA]

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@P_G

acha hijaab or beard practice nahi ?
just say yes or no ?

@TLK

Ahcha Hijab aur beard deen ke buniyadi paanch arkaan main hain?

yes or no?

app dono apna thread cafe main khol lain aur yes or no kartay rahain. iss thread ko derail mat karian.

[STA]

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achcha baba miss ho gaya. abhi parhtaa hoon

NP :)

[P_G]

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Ahcha Hijab aur beard deen ke buniyadi paanch arkaan main hain?

yes or no?

app ka sawal thread k topic per nahi ..lakin main jawab day rahee hun .. NO

ab app bhi mere sawal ka jawab dain

[P_G]

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@STA

app dono apna thread cafe main khol lain aur yes or no kartay rahain. iss thread ko derail mat karian.

kion ..posts related nahi hain topic say ?

[TLK]

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acha hijaab or beard practice nahi ? just say yes or no ?

practice as in aamaal? Oos tarha tou deen ka har kaam practice hai. But let me ask you. If you have to pick between hijaab or namaaz (lets say because of some situation), which one would you pick?

[P_G]

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practice as in aamaal? Oos tarha tou deen ka har kaam practice hai. But let me ask you. If you have to pick between hijaab or namaaz (lets say because of some situation), which one would you pick?

offcourse Namaz..

lakin TLK app sub cheezon ko mix ker rahay hain ..app ka yeh sawal aisa hee hay k jaisai koi poochay

jaan bachanay k ley haram khana jaaiz hay ya nahi ..to bhi yeh jawab ho ga k YES

..lakin app ki post ka jo bold part hay ..asal bat yehee hay . or yehe jawab hay .... yahan MUZNA koi ayse condition nahi day rahee k is halat main app yeh kero ga ya woh

bulkay TOpic IMPortant per hai to her ferz or wajib hukam imp hay ....app is ko alag nahi ker saktay k yeh cheezain practice hain or yeh cheezain apperence

[Niksik]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

I think that whatever you do should be done with the right intentions. That's what matters.

[TLK]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

offcourse Namaz..

lakin TLK app sub cheezon ko mix ker rahay hain ..app ka yeh sawal aisa hee hay k jaisai koi poochay

jaan bachanay k ley haram khana jaaiz hay ya nahi ..to bhi yeh jawab ho ga k YES

..lakin app ki post ka jo bold part hay ..asal bat yehee hay . or yehe jawab hay .... yahan MUZNA koi ayse condition nahi day rahee k is halat main app yeh kero ga ya woh

bulkay TOpic IMPortant per hai to her ferz or wajib hukam imp hay ....app is ko alag nahi ker saktay k yeh cheezain practice hain or yeh cheezain apperence

Kisi do cheezon ke beech ki importance isee baat se zahir hoti hai ke bilkul majboori kee halat main kis ke baghair guzara ho saktaa hai.

Agar main aap se poochon ke gurda important hai yaa dil, to aap ka kiya jawaab hogaa? Aap baghair condition laye (life/death situation) iss baat ka jawaab kese dain gi?

agar aap mujh se yeah poochain ke meri jaan impotant hai yaa meri beti kee, tou baghair condition laa'ye main kya jawaab de saktaa hoon?

Muzna bhi condition nahi de rahi, lekin jawaab dene ke liye extreme condition lana zaroori hai.

[McPendo]

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Iqbal says:

Tu na mit jaayega Iran ke mit jaane se
*Nasha-eMai ko Ta'alluq nahi paimaane se***

" You wont be wiped out becuase Iran is no more, The drunkard doesn't care with which he drinks his wine with." Meaning that even if Iran is destroyed or Pakistan is destroyed Muslims will still live on. Even if your nationallity is taken away from you. Like in 1947 a person born is India was now suddenly a Pakistani. Iqbal is saying that your appearence doesn't matter. As long as you are a muslim you are fine. That doesn't mean if you grow you beard or pull your pants up to your ankles.

[Pind_Di_Kuri]

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Well, I think both practice and appearance are related to each other and is important to spending a peacefully beautiful balance life.

[Muzna]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

Well, I think both practice and appearance are related to each other and is important to spending a peacefully beautiful balance life.

That's very lovely.
Now.....if you had to choose to do one and not the other then which would you choose?

[STA]

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@Niksik

I think that whatever you do should be done with the right intentions. That’s what matters.

like wearing bikini with good intentions.

I dont think it is true. whatever is pretty large set of actions. **a good action **with right intention is the key.

I think we need more discussion on intentions and actions.