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So extreme of appearance cannot make you kaafir, but extreme of not practicing can - so here is muzna's answer.
:( damn it, I am doomed
It's okay...I'm on the same page.
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, you are now on page 2. 
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It's okay...I'm on the same page.
You mean you also stand at street corner and whistling at pretty girls who are passing by?
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You can never know what is in someone's heart when it comes to religion.
Brill thread.
My take - practice is far more important than appearence.
Why? - recently I have come to realize most of these hijabbis and darri wallay bhai log are covering up their 'real' nature. (Highly over generalized)
It's sad that we, as a community, give more praise to a head scarf than to those who worship with a pure heart.
Not saying that those who wear hijabs aren't pure, but it's easy to throw a piece of cloth over your heads because it's expected... but to understand why you're wearing it, what the benefits are, etc, is FAR more important.
At the same time, I dont think one needs to "appear" religious to actually be truely religious.
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Muzna is probably aware of that.
she is asking, which is more important.
yep.....that's exactly what I was asking. thanks TLK.
and no I don't think that both are equally important.
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both are EQUALLY important...Islam is a way of life...how can you ignore one or more aspects of life one lives.
No both are not equally important. And I will answer under STA's comment
it is believe which makes you muslim. you are being muslim appearing muslim practicing muslim, but if that (believe) is not there. all are worthless,
on the other extreme, you are alcoholic, involved in major sins, worst person in community, but you hold believe , you are muslim.
p.s. "you" is not used for you.
Believe is substantiated by practice, and that is why according to some aalims, a be-namazi of 3 days is wajibul qatal as he is murtid (one who no longer believes). No aalim says that a nunga muslim is wajibul qatal. Thay is another example of practice is more important than appearance.
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appearence count in practice
is ko alag ker hee nahi saktay
agar koi khatoon hijab pehntee hain to yeh sirf apperence nahi practice bhi hay ...k unhoon nay islam kay aol rule ko follow kia
kisi nay daarhe rakhe to Sunnat per ammal kia ..practice or apperence dono hai
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appearence count in practice
is ko alag ker hee nahi saktay
agar koi khatoon hijab pehntee hain to yeh sirf apperence nahi practice bhi hay ...k unhoon nay islam kay aol rule ko follow kia
kisi nay daarhe rakhe to Sunnat per ammal kia ..practice or apperence dono hai
agar koi hijab na kare, yaa darhee na rukhkhay tou kiya kaafir ho jaa'e gaa?
Agar koi namaaz roza chor de tou kaafir ho jaa'ye gaa?
please simple answer deejiye gaa, yes or no main
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So extreme of appearance cannot make you kaafir, but extreme of not practicing can - so here is muzna's answer.
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You can never know what is in someone's heart when it comes to religion.
of course....you can never know what is in someone's heart with respect to anything.....not just religion.
that, I believe, is another debate altogether.
in this thread I am asking something else.
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agar koi hijab na kare, yaa darhee na rukhkhay tou kiya kaafir ho jaa'e gaa?
Agar koi namaaz roza chor de tou kaafir ho jaa'ye gaa?
please simple answer deejiye gaa, yes or no main
nahi dono sortoon main kaafir nahi ho ga...
lakin app kia darhe or hijab ko apperence or roza or namaz ko practice main dal ker alag alag ker rahay hain ?
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Agar main namaz roza chor doon musalsal, tou kya mera eeman khtam nahi ho ja'e gaa?
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nahi dono sortoon main kaafir nahi ho ga...
lakin *app kia darhe or hijab ko apperence or roza or namaz ko practice main dal ker alag alag ker rahay hain *?
Jee.
Kya kuch Ulema ke nazdeek 3 din ka be-namazi murtid ke barabar aur wajibul qatal nahi?
Be-darhi tou srif Taliban ke deen main wajibul qatal hain (lol, sorry)
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Agar main namaz roza chor doon musalsal, tou kya mera eeman khtam nahi ho ja'e gaa?
nahi bilkul nahi .. ,
namaz roza hijab naqab beard is ko chornay say koi kaafir nahi hota..
or namaz roza or hijaab or beard kay farz/sunnat honay ka zubaan say inkar kerna ya is ley chorna k main isay islam ka hukam nahi maanta
yeh baat KAAFIr keray gee..k ab islam say bahir nikal gaya
**werna is hadees ka kia mutlub lain gay
jis nay kalmia perha lia woh jannat main jayee ga( agar gunah gar hay to saza pa ker )**
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Isnt appearance a part of the practice? A part of following islam? Or do you mean if someone is following/practicing some or most of islam with a pure heart vs someone just appearing to follow:hmmm: interesting
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PG post 34 ka jawaab dain.
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Jee.
Kya kuch Ulema ke nazdeek 3 din ka be-namazi murtid ke barabar aur wajibul qatal nahi?
Be-darhi tou srif Taliban ke deen main wajibul qatal hain (lol, sorry)
3 din ka bay namazi to khair kissi k nazdeek bhi kaafir ya wajib ul qatal nahi
yeh alag behas hai hanbli or shafaye fiqah main...
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3 din ka bay namazi to khair kissi k nazdeek bhi kaafir ya wajib ul qatal nahi
yeh alag behas hai hanbli or shafaye fiqah main...
Haan jab hamara point ooper aaney laga tou behes alag ho ga'ee. Lol
Waisay Imam Malik kee bhee yeahi rai thee.
Chalain maaf kiya aap ko
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Haan jab hamara point ooper aaney laga tou behes alag ho ga'ee. Lol
Waisay Imam Malik kee bhee yeahi rai thee.
Chalain maaf kiya aap ko
app ka point ..hanbli shaafaye ya maliki say ban bhi nahi sakta TLK,.. n u know dat wat i mean