Re: Practicing or Appearing?
There was a gentleman who dropped by an All Views thread on Climate change/ conservation. He just ridiculed the topic - in his view, none of this is important. Only the after life is.
So it appeared to me that a practising religious person does not consider taking good care of our planet as a good and necessary objective.
Of course the religious right things along same lines.
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Surely no one in their right mind would find it more important to appear a good muslim rather than practise being one.
HOWEVER, that being said, its quite tragic to see that a large portion of people (and yes, I'm talking about desis here) are more concerned with appearing as good muslims rather than actually practising it.
I absolutely hate people who sit on their high throne with religiously condescending look around at others, who go around shoving their beliefs down unwanting throats, when they themselves are no better. As long as it isn't harming anyone, people need to just live and let live. As long as it isn't harming anyone, what they do religiously is a matter between them and Allah. Others need to butt out.
Sorry about the derail. But yes, practising is far more important than appearing to be a good muslim.
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shut up you arguing fools
I have a beard longer than all of you, got my pajama above ankles, leather socks, my topi on, tasbeeh and miswaak in my hand..
i am rocking some surma, and I have my jubba as well.
of course appearance is more important, agree or I will send my associates to convince you!!!! you have a few hours to denounce your pathetic statements
damn hypocrites
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Was watching a discussion that included Dr. Zakir Naik on the matter of stereotyping and came across this interesting question.....
Is it more important to "appear" muslim, that is, have a beard and wear a cap or dress in hijab/scarf or to "practice" being a muslim where you may not necessarily dress like one but act like one.
Thoughts?
hmm this is kind of strange question. why making choices in following the religion. Think it little professionally a Dr. Dressing up as a rock star standing inside the operation room about to start operation, though he is only dressed as a rock star, basic thing is that he is a doctor and he is operating the patient does his appearance really matter, solders wearing army uniform is must, why is it important for them to dress up like that at all when the basic thing for them to fight and defend their country.
Do you feel following religion is somewhat less than following a profession, your talking about Allah here, why thinking what is important while as being a muslim "momin" only Allah is important and following Allah rules in every thing even in appearance and act. Dont choose things u like or dislike be a muslim complete by act and appearance. Just follow the prophet and save yourself from these strange thoughts :)
This is what i think and Alhamdulillah this is what I have followed so far.
Practicing or Appearing?
Over all I can understand what P_G is trying to say and I would lean towards her understanding; however, I feel that TLK is saying the same thing but weight of his emphasis is on different level than of P_G.
If one appears Islamically but consciously choose to not practice Islam, that person fits the full definition of a Hypocrite. But that is something to be judge by Allah.
But if someone practices Islam by having full faith, believe and understanding what Islam teaches but his practice of Islam in terms of appearance is missing then, that is not our job to pass any judgement. Again we will leave that upto Allah. He would get sin of not having a required attire commanded by Islam but him not practicing it could be either of weak iman or some valid allowed reasons, none of which should be our business.
This is my understanding of it all. Bottom line is that we need to make sure we are not defecting away or our friends and family member are not defecting away. And at the same time we have to remember that we need to remind all those, who are not appearing or practicing Islam, in a way that is not offensive at all. To me that is always a real challenge because everyone reacts differently.
Yaar aap bohut hee diplomatic admi hain
lobster eating molvi kaheen kaa
no no 
It was hard to dismiss points made from both ends because all of that made sense at one level or another
That’s what I tried to explain in the part you chose not to quote 
^Well that is an honor that in comparison to PG, you also find my argument noteworthy. PG kaafi parhi likhi khaatoon hain. Islamic topics main oon se behes kerna aasaan nahi.
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lobster eating molvi kaheen kaa
maulana...actually
if every other dude can claim that title so can I
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Surely no one in their right mind would find it more important to appear a good muslim rather than practise being one.
Agree with this statement.
Although I'm quite suprised at the amount of people who have encountered so many people who 'appear' Muslim but don't 'practice' it.
Odd.
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a jamiaat rally or sipah sahaba jalsa has tons of em
Re: Practicing or Appearing?
Was watching a discussion that included Dr. Zakir Naik on the matter of stereotyping and came across this interesting question.....
Is it more important to "appear" muslim, that is, have a beard and wear a cap or dress in hijab/scarf or to "practice" being a muslim where you may not necessarily dress like one but act like one.
Thoughts?
Both are orders of ALLAH and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW for example keeping beard is order of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and also covering head is his practice and Muslims followed it and also keeping your shalwar above toes is order of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW we have to follow every order because HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said who ever leaves my Sunnah I have nothing to do with him or her
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a jamiaat rally or sipah sahaba jalsa has tons of em
dunno man...........I get the feeling people aren't referring to just these type of 'appearing' muslims
Personally feels like people are referring to an ordinary person with hijab/beard type of 'appearing' muslims
Don't know if I'm making sense, it has been a long day.
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plenty of those around too, go to an event and have conversations with ppl
what we think and know as qualities of a muslim are weak or missing, empathy, love, care, a real sense of justice,
too many are way too political and divisive, khutbas at many mosques in Pakistan will show u that
the approach and bullheadedness of dinosaurs runnung groups like ISNA and ICNA will show u that
look at how conservative and puritanical some of the boards of local masjid are.
as we say they take fun out of functions..
the character of a muslim is not some too serious, tied to cultural traditions guy, without a sense of humour, who instead of reaching out to people is divisive and thinks less of ppl who are not his community, sect, ethnicity etc etc.
I know what u mean too, so dont think I am discounting it..just giving u some food for thought
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plenty of those around too, go to an event and have conversations with ppl what we think and know as qualities of a muslim are weak or missing, empathy, love, care, a real sense of justice, too many are way too political and divisive, khutbas at many mosques in Pakistan will show u that the approach and bullheadedness of dinosaurs runnung groups like ISNA and ICNA will show u that look at how conservative and puritanical some of the boards of local masjid are. as we say they take fun out of functions..
the character of a muslim is not some too serious, tied to cultural traditions guy, without a sense of humour, who instead of reaching out to people is divisive and thinks less of ppl who are not his community, sect, ethnicity etc etc.
I know what u mean too, so dont think I am discounting it..just giving u some food for thought
OK I do get what you are trying to say.......and I guess I would agree to an extent.
I guess it all depends on your experience with or perception of the 'appearing Muslims' around you. While there may be a few people I know who do act like that........the majority of people I know (for example sake let's say-people with beards) do not act that way.
Then again I admit I'm biased. I happen to have a very close relationship with a bearded man who also loves to wear his shalwar above his ankles.........and while he might be conservative in his views I see all of the qualities of a Muslim that you mentioned in him: empathy, love, care, justice, etc.
I just think the whole generalizing thing goes both ways. I know people do not think* every* 'bearded man' is traditional/strict/serious/not-a-real-practicing-Muslim but it just seems to me the most people seem to think most bearded men are that way......which is what surprises me. (I'm not talking bearded men you hear/see on TV or through the media that declare new random fatwas every minute).
Apologies to posters and OP in advance, didn't mean to dereail the thread.
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That's very lovely. Now.....if you had to choose to do one and not the other then which would you choose?
Thanks, And Well I prefer practice but it doesn't mean I will go and wear shorts.
Guac- I have no misgivings about people who have such appearances. My nana was such a man, and many of the men on my mothers side of the family. Many ladies are in hijab and some in niqab.
I think we attribute it to the generally most visible people, even in my examples I noted political entities, community organizations and exec committees. Maybe the correlation of uncouth behavior is more with hunger for power than the focus on appearance which is a tool only for them.
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]Kisi do cheezon ke beech ki importance isee baat se zahir hoti hai ke bilkul majboori kee halat main kis ke baghair guzara ho saktaa hai.
Agar main aap se poochon ke gurda important hai yaa dil, to aap ka kiya jawaab hogaa? Aap baghair condition laye (life/death situation) iss baat ka jawaab kese dain gi?
agar aap mujh se yeah poochain ke meri jaan impotant hai yaa meri beti kee, tou baghair condition laa'ye main kya jawaab de saktaa hoon?
Muzna bhi condition nahi de rahi, lekin jawaab dene ke liye extreme condition lana zaroori hai.
TLK ..
Guzara say kia mutlub ? yanee is terah app yeh tasale day saktay ho k hijab na kerna or beard na rakhna yeh aisa ammal nahi k jis per gunnah ho raha ho ?
yane yeh dono ahkaam aysay hain jis main muslims ko choice dee gayee hay k app chaho to ker lo na chaho to Gunnah nahi..
( mere bat ko sirf islami ahkaam jis terah shareyat main warid hain un ki haqeeqat per rakhain ..is cheez per bat nahi ker rahee k jo log yeh apperence rakhtay hain woh us say naik or jo nahi kertay woh gunahgar hotay ..WOh Allah or banday ka muamla hay ..)
**or yeh jo app nay RULE likha hay kissi cheez ki ahmiyat is terah maloom ho sakte hay k majboore ki halat main kia zaroore hay ..to phir
**jaan ka khatra ho to kalima-e-kuffar ka zuban say iqrar bhi jaaiz hay
yane yeh sabit ho gaya ... k insan bus dil main iman ka iqrar ker lay or zuban say na keray ?
app ki saree baat qyasaat per hay k falan condition per falan ki qyaas ker lo
lakin main sirf yeh arz keroon gee...qyaaas kernay k kuch asool hain ..is terah ik maslay ko dosray maslay per qyaas ker k app ik dam nateeja nahi nikal saktay
**hazrat Ali razi Allahu tanha ka qool hai
agar Deen ki bunyaad Aqal per hotee to massah alal Khuf'fain khuff kay neechay hota na k opper
**
That's very lovely. Now.....if you had to choose to do one and not the other then which would you choose?
its change all thread theme
just one thing i want to say ..Conditions say agar app kissi islamic order ki IMP ko choose kerain gee k normal life main is ko iktyaar ker lain
to yeh namumkin hain ..wohe condition jo TLK ko dee app ko bhi dayte hoon
islamtojaan bachanay k ley kalam-e-kuffar keh daynay ki bhi rukhsat dayta hai ..kia app is condition say yeh choose ker lain gee
k muslman honay k ley zaban say imam ka iqrar bhi imp nahi sirf dil main maan lay ??
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I spent 4 years in military, where the appearance was not more important than character, but the comparison between the two was considered illogical, because leaving the uniform while still being a practicing soldier is not an option (for common soldiers) in any military of the world, yet they give more importance to the character.
Islam also doesn't give this option, even though you aren't declared kafir by leaving appearance. Imagine, anyone asking the Prophet (saw) this question about which one is more important ? Its just like asking Hijab is more important or Farz namaz. Practically Hijab is less important but leaving it also makes ALLAH unhappy. So, a woman practicing only namaz can't console herself that she is practicing the more important deeds so she won't be asked about the less important ones. In fact, a gunnah-e-saghira practiced consistently for a long time becomes gunnah-e-kabira, in the light of hadiths. (you may confirm from a scholar).
My father served for 35 years in air force and reached the highest level. But if he goes for a minute to his office wearing uniform of any other army or that of India, he would have to face court marshal. No one would even consider all his sitra-e-imtiaz, tamgha-e-imtiaz,.....etc. breath taking sacrifices, because he didn't respect the appearance that he was expected to.