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The question was asked by Muzna but Huma said it was fallacious. Un samjh lagi?
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i believe practicing i more important than appearance... you may be putting on a hijab or have a beard for appearance sake but whats the point if you're not praying, and engaging in gossiping etc? at the same time a practicing muslim may not have a beard or hijab but will probably not be wearing halter tops either :p
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:k:well said CDG … hadnt thought of it that way
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I don't understand. I am not sure if anyone has pointed that out already. Why only 'appearance without practice' is considered to be a show off. What if a person does practice appearance with the niyyah (intention) of practice (not show off) but due to a weak Imaan, isn't able to develop a strong character. (Considers it important but isn't able to develop enough will power). As strong character at times require more will power than appearance. (When appearance is already practiced in the family).
On the other hand, what if a person doesn't follow appearance (just because he considers it of low importance) but does have a reputation of good character (without Ikhlaas/ sincerity) as it earns him more respect in the society ?
In short, appearance without character isn't by default a show off. Character without appearance isn't by default a non-show off.
p.s. I didn't state the vice versa because that has already been stated many times.
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The positive 'intentions' that has been emphasized a lot in this discussion can be categorized into types. (IMHO, that can be wrong)
The order of ALLAH (SWT) that we leave due to weakness of our own will power (but still we accept our weakness & sincerely try our level best to follow it sooner or later) Also we ask ALLAH for forgiveness & strength to be able to make that order part of our life
The order of ALLAH that we accept but intentionally leave by considering it of 'relatively' low value compared to the other 'more important' orders that we follow. (Also justifying our lack of dedication with excuses, targeting/ hiding behind bad examples of those who misuse it, instead of sincerely accepting the flaws in our own dedication).
The former attitude leads to divine help to be able to follow that order, while the later leads to deprivation from the blessing of guidance towards it.
My understanding might be illogical, ALLAH knows Best!
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So then according to some of you, head covering is just a cultural phenomenon and not part of the recommended parda in Islam? Any valid and authentic ruling on this stance?
Head covering is fard during prayer and part of hijab according to the majority of scholars.....some scholars don't consider it fard in the context of hijab.
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The question as Huma said is fallacious to begin with. Islam is a way of life so it includes everything from obligatory prayers to behaviour to out look. Of course though if you look at where it starts it starts with faith and belief in Allah (SWT); therefore we start with fulfilling the fard obligations. Indirectly that means the way one dresses comes after practicing and it makes sense too. What I am dumb founded by in this thread is how easily everyone judged those who think looking is just as important or are not in agreement to the popular belief. At the end of the day we can't determine what is in someones heart. The woman who may observer hijab may not pray but maybe the act of wearing hijab will compel her to pray. Or the woman who prays may eventually be compelled to observe hijab. I had a lot to say but I guess a wonderful Eid made me forget it all lol.
Essentially I believe this sort of questioning will only give us weak human beings a reason to put our appearance on the back burner and possibly think it doesn't even matter as its all about niyah. Even though niyah is a big part we still have to strive to do better in all aspects and grow in our faith. I don't even know if I'm making any sense anymore. :/
agree with this.
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Here's a test to judge the judgemental women. If you find a hijabi/niqabi woman with no non hijabi friends then there are chances she might be judging them and dislike them. And if you find a cleavage, sleeves or legs showing woman with no hijabi friends she might be an anti hijabi person.
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I don't have any close hijabi friends but I have nothing against them at all (or those who choose to wear the burqa).. I honestly just don't come across many (I could literally count on one hand the number of hijabis I had seen in my whole life till I moved to near London) and in my family only two women wear it (just my mum and one of her sisters).. Like I said I have NO problem with hijab and believe in a woman's right to dress how she chooses..
I will admit I sometimes get nervous I see a group of desi hijabis in London :( I tend to keep my head down or even cross over.. Yeah, it's a bit pathetic.. I was actually going to blog about this the other day :(
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I don't have any close hijabi friends but I have nothing against them at all (or those who choose to wear the burqa).. I honestly just don't come across many (I could literally count on one hand the number of hijabis I had seen in my whole life till I moved to near London) and in my family only two women wear it (just my mum and one of her sisters).. Like I said I have NO problem with hijab and believe in a woman's right to dress how she chooses..
I will admit I sometimes get nervous I see a group of desi hijabis in London :( I tend to keep my head down or even cross over.. Yeah, it's a bit pathetic.. I was actually going to blog about this the other day :(
I know what you mean. I wear the headscarf but when I come across a women who wear burqa/abaya I feel intimidated. I think it's my own weaknesses that make me feel like that and not because I have a grudge against them or they did something.
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May be burqa/abaya women are usually intimidating thats why??
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My wife says that mostly women who wear niqab have a takfiri mindset ... But she has Sufi friends who wear niqab too and they are quite the opposite approachable and kind.
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to be honest
jub hum hijaab ki bat kertay hain ..to yeh** Hijaab waliaan ..burqa waliyan ..niqab waliyaan
**kahan say aajate hain??????????????
*samjh say baahir hay *..
hum is per behas kion shuroo ker daytay hain ..hijab walee to ayse bhi hoten waysee bhi hote hain
agar app hijab kertay bhi hain to sirf Allah k ley ...
or agar app nahi kertay to is ka reason app yeh kabhi nahi day saktay k hum un say to behter hain jo hijab ya burqa pehan ker aysay hain or waysay hain
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^ Such statements would have been really funny if made in front of Hazrat Ayesha (R.A) or Hazrat Fatima (R.A), because they wouldn't have ever imagined a Muslimah without Hijab (After the nazool of Quranic verses in this regard)
A man said to another, " I am a real fan of Hazrat Umar (R.A) and Hazrat Ali (R.A). If they were alive today, I would have liked to meet them"
He replied, "Be thankful that they aren't alive today. If you had told them that you are a Muslim, after looking at your appearance the first thing that they would have immediately started would have been your PITAEE"
p.s. No offense intended to anyone, I use to say all this even when I didn't used to follow these orders myself, the purpose was to embarrass myself & motivate myself to initiate following every aspect of the lives of our ideals. Still am lacking in many aspect. May ALLAH guide me.
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to be honest
jub hum hijaab ki bat kertay hain ..to yeh** Hijaab waliaan ..burqa waliyan ..niqab waliyaan
**kahan say aajate hain??????????????
*samjh say baahir hay *.. n
Because jab hijab walay, non-hijabi walon kee baat kerte hain tou wo bhi yeah be-parda aurtain waghera use kertay hain.
We all have the habit of condemning the sinners than the sin.
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Because jab hijab walay, non-hijabi walon kee baat kerte hain tou wo bhi yeah be-parda aurtain waghera use kertay hain.
We all have the habit of condemning the sinners than the sin.
TLK ..muazrat k saath ..app bat ka maqsad nahi samjhay
HIJAB yeh jo sirf ik lafz hay na yeh islam ka ik hukam hai jub hum is per bat kerain to hum main say her shakhs alag alag is ka mukallaf hota hay ..app is ko kisi personality k sath kaysay jor saktay hain
mera sawal yeh h k ik muslman islam k kissi hukam ko is ley nahi chor sakta k falan admi ya awrat darhe rakh kay ya hijab rakh k falan falan ghalat ammal kertee hay
to phir is bat ko discussion main laa ker kia sabit ho ga .kia KHUDa ka hukam badal jayee ga?
is terah ka muqabla ker k app koi sehat mand mahool to nahi paida ker saktay ...
na hijabiii ki bat kero na non hijabiii ki ..app islam kay ahkaam per bat kero to us ko islam samjh ker bat kero...kisi waale ya walay say mansoob na kero
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mera sawal yeh h k ik muslman islam k kissi hukam ko is ley nahi chor sakta k falan admi ya awrat darhe rakh kay ya hijab rakh k falan falan ghalat ammal kertee hay
Aray main bhi aap kee ta'eed kar rahaa hoon. Hum loug act ko nahi, personality ko tanqeed kaa nishaana banaanay lugtay hai,
aap kee baat sahi hai. Parda to chorian, maine tou login ko namaz/namazion ke baaray main yeah kehtay suna hai. 'aray namaz parhne ka kya faida, yeah dekho yea loug namaz parh ke bhee kesee harkat karte hain (falaan ka zikar("
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Aray main bhi aap kee ta'eed kar rahaa hoon. Hum loug act ko nahi, personality ko tanqeed kaa nishaana banaanay lugtay hai,
aap kee baat sahi hai. Parda to chorian, maine tou login ko namaz/namazion ke baaray main yeah kehtay suna hai. 'aray namaz parhne ka kya faida, yeah dekho yea loug namaz parh ke bhee kesee harkat karte hain (falaan ka zikar("
app mere taaeed ker rahay thay faint...is per to ik shair yaad agya..: D
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app mere taaeed ker rahay thay faint...is per to ik shair yaad agya..: D
yaqeenan 'aitbaar' pe ho gaa. Aap ko mujh pe aitbaar rahaa hi nahi hai.
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yaqeenan 'aitbaar' pe ho gaa. Aap ko mujh pe aitbaar rahaa hi nahi hai.
jee nahi...app ka jawab ghalat hoa ..app ko ab water cooler nahi milay ga