Practicing or Appearing?

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:rotfl:

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i said slutty clothes, not slutty women.

good that you picked up the point…

which brings us back to the question now, keeping in view the slutty issue,

is it practice or appearance that would make you identify someone as slutty?

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^practice.

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app do baaton ko alag alag ker lain to shaid yeh confussion na rahay

1 > hijab farz hay ...is main koi dosree bat nahi..sub ulema k nazeek yehe bat hay..or is ki daleel quran ki ayah hai

jis main hukam hay k muslman awrtain apnay opper jilbaab daal lain

2 > or ab jo app ko different levels of interpretations miltee hain woh Is word JILBAAB ki wajah say hai

k is ko kis terah liya jayee..

hazrat ibn-e-abbasrazi Allahu tala anhu ki jo tafseer miltee hay us main poore boday kay sath chehray ka bhi perda hay ..is ley aksar ulma-e-karam naqab ko bhi farz kehtay

or baaz ki tehqeeq sirf head cover ki ha...

is ko app dosre misaal say samjh lain

k NAMAZ farz hain..lakin namaz k perhnay k tareeqay main mukhtalif raaye milteen hain...

jaysay kuch log rafa -e-yadain kertay hain ..or kuch nahi kertay..kuch takbeer main haath kaano tak uthatay hain kuch shoulders tak

lakin namaz ki farziyat main jis terah koi dosre bat nahi ..is terah hijab k hukam k farz honay main bhi nahi hay

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Omg im in love with your post PG:wub:

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Read the thread and my reaction is WOW! We are all a bunch of judgmental beings. :bummer:

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Why are you judging as as judgmental people.,, you judgemental person you

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:hehe: Re-read what I said X2. I’m sure you will retract your comment.

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This professor in my university is always forcefully encouraging me and everyone else to not be contented with just our Masters degree but also complete our PhD and then go for post doc, as life is given only once and we should make the best of it...

My friend calls him a really dedicated person who sincerely wants everyone to achieve high goals in life. But I tell him, "Why is he so judgmental ?!?! Always scaring me that if I don't complete my doctorate, this and that would happen to my career, that I might not get a good job/salary/position..etc. & might repent later. Does he think of himself to be a better engineer than us. Only ALLAH knows who is a better engineer. It doesn't depend on the degree, but the intentions that one has. Who knows I might be a better engineer in the eyes of the multinational companies. I don't like his better engineer than thou attitude. Always judging us!!"

You know why I say all this to my friend about someone whom he likes because of his "Realistic Reminders" based on truth.

Because he puts the same blame on our authentic religious scholars, whenever they sincerely wish that everyone may achieve good grades on the day of "judgement" based on the principles of Quran & Hadiths, by not taking any teaching of the prophet lightly.

The difference is that we easily accept all advises/ discussion/ different perspectives/ arguements related to this world, that is visible to the naked eyes. But when it comes to the matters of the hereafter (only visible to vision of heart through Quran & Hadith) people seem to look judgmental, even though ONLY Allah knows their intentions.

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good judgment CDG :smiley:

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Anytime! :D

I'll post a proper response after Eid. :D

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tou aap kay khyal say jo sar aur chehra cover nahi kerti woh dozakh main jayen gi? chehra cover kernay say namaz invalid ho jati hai, right?

Hijab and awra are two different things....in awara we must cover certain parts of the body including head/hair during salaat. Hijab is fardh but it has different forms and you'll find people following different clothing and styles to follow a certain awra or criteria which is acceptable to the norms of the society. And by acceptable I mean men find it normal and don't find it offensive or attractive. Jaisay Pakistan kay kuch ilaqon main you must wear shalwar kameez halan kay cover tou jeans and long and loose top bhi ker saktay hain magar you'll get stares for wearing western clothing.

For some muslim societies it is pretty normal to show belly and for some the shins. However they must follow the awra described in hadith for namaz.

Makkah main most aurtain used to leave their breasts uncovered before the ayahs were revealed and believe me I have seen women who wear abaya and niqab but still show off their bosom with their body language. That's because they haven't understood the verses.

Showing bosom and cleavage is unacceptable in public (unless someone has to breastfeed her baby) in all Islamic cultures and societies because Quran is very clear on that. The ultimate purpose of hijab is not to seek for unwanted attention from men (basically not to have slutty attitude and attire).

Sad thing is muslim men have become highly obsessed with hijab/niqab when there's no need for it. Most muslim women dress modestly and according to their norms.

Muslim men must drop this idea of covering each and every 12+ girl in black tent because they "believe" that is what a most pious woman must do. Islam promotes diversity and tolerance, not monoculture.

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tou aap kay khyal say jo sar aur chehra cover nahi kerti woh dozakh main jayen gi? chehra cover kernay say namaz invalid ho jati hai, right?

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hareem mere post main mainy kahan likhe hay k **dozakh ya jaanat main kon jayee ga
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**kia yeh faisla kerna mera kaam hai ? ..**main ik Jahil lerki hun ..mujhay nahi maloom is baaray main ..shaid app ko maloom ho ga ..Allah app k ilm main izafa fermaye ameen

**mere nazdeek hijab waleen or baghair hijab walee dono respectable hain ..chahay us nay black burqa pehna ho ya white scarf ya doppata
ya sirf jeans shirt main ho…

**na main samjhte hun mujhay yeh haq hay k main kissi kay burqa ka rang ya style per aytraaz keroon na yeh haq k kissi k na kernay per us ko bura bhala kahoon

kon kitna paarsa hey yeh to ALLah janta hay

ik muslim honay k naatay mera kam sirf itna hay k main apnay mazhab or us ki taleemat ko ulma-e-deen say samjh loon or us per ammal kernay ki koshish keroon..or us ko iman daare k saath agay pohncha dun

**Enigmatic nay apni post main poocha kay ulma-e-karam ki is muamlay main itnay saray views kion hain jub k woh Farz hay ..to mainy sirf us ki summary paish kee hay .. k kon say Alim kis say daleel laytay hain or kon say Alim ki kia tehqeq hain

ik dafa bhi mainy us post main yeh nahi kaaaha ..k bus app ko yehee kerna hay or agar yeh nahi kia to app gunahgaar hoon gee

i just shared my info with her which i got from different scholers and thier books**

agay kissi ka ilm zyada ho ya kissi ka view alag ho ..us say kia ferq perta hay ? her insan apnay deen k ley apni koshish kerta hay

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**agar app thanday dil say mere or apni post ko perhain .to we r on same page …farq sirf yeh hey k

main kisi kay views per sahee ya ghalat ka fatwa nahi laga rahee

or app is ka faisla ker rahee hain ..k is main kon ghalat or kon sahee hay .

EID mubarak flower

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practicing sey hi related Akbar Ilah Abadi ka ek aor sher hey

Raqeebon Ne Rapat Likhwai Hey Ja Ja K thaney mein
K Akbar Naam Leta Hey Khuda Ka Is Zamaney mein

(rapat = report, thaney = precinct or police station)

:chai:

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nice and calm, way to go : )

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So then according to some of you, head covering is just a cultural phenomenon and not part of the recommended parda in Islam?
Any valid and authentic ruling on this stance?

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The question as Huma said is fallacious to begin with. Islam is a way of life so it includes everything from obligatory prayers to behaviour to out look. Of course though if you look at where it starts it starts with faith and belief in Allah (SWT); therefore we start with fulfilling the fard obligations. Indirectly that means the way one dresses comes after practicing and it makes sense too. What I am dumb founded by in this thread is how easily everyone judged those who think looking is just as important or are not in agreement to the popular belief. At the end of the day we can't determine what is in someones heart. The woman who may observer hijab may not pray but maybe the act of wearing hijab will compel her to pray. Or the woman who prays may eventually be compelled to observe hijab. I had a lot to say but I guess a wonderful Eid made me forget it all lol.

Essentially I believe this sort of questioning will only give us weak human beings a reason to put our appearance on the back burner and possibly think it doesn't even matter as its all about niyah. Even though niyah is a big part we still have to strive to do better in all aspects and grow in our faith. I don't even know if I'm making any sense anymore. :/

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^it wasn’t Huma, it was muzna :rolleyes:

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JazakAllah Khair for the idea. Would help me in completing a blog.

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What about those who appear to be practicing?