Practicalities of Love

So, how far can people go for their ‘love’?

I know a girl who and her cousin had to fight with their parents to get them engaged. After their 2-3 years engagement and 5-6 years ‘love’, she is now rethinking her decision because the guy does not want to move out of Pakistan to the country where the girl lives as he needs to manage his dad’s well established business in Pakistan.

I know a guy who wanted to marry a shia girl (who was willing to convert to sunni) but due to his mom’s pressure, he left the girl and country and went abroad and in no time got involved in another girl. The mom did not agree again but he made a decision this time to go ahead with this girl.

On the other hand, I have also seen girls and guys going to the extremes of getting married without their families approval. I have not seen other incidences and families disagreements are the most important hinderance usually seen to be overcome by some couples by leaving their families and going ahead with each other.

When we talk about couples leaving each other and moving on, if small issues can make girls and guys part their ways and move on, how can we expect any of them to continue with issues like rape, accidents etc. Of course, each case is different. I am talking about the general power of love these days.

What I feel that we shouldn’t expect girls and guys to ignore the practicalities of life when they are in ‘love’. Ishq kinda thing does not exist and although we can like someone and want to spend the rest of the life with them, there are many factors which can make us rethink our decision and as they say, there are plenty of fish in the sea, who in this world would want to stuck in dead end/ difficult relationships?

Discuss (without bashing me :p)

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practicality and love are mutually exclusive…

the ‘love’ is just a temporary state of mind…and when it passes…sh!t hits the fan :chai:

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I totally agree with you Ashy. "Love", or people's perception of it in general, is just not practical or applicable in the long run these days.

Looking at it realistically, there is no conducive environment for both falling in love and being aware and prepared for the long run at the same time with the person. By conducive environment I mean the factors of time, circumstance and surroundings.

Once upon a time, a long while ago, when girls and guys barely had exposure to each other because of the conservative nature of society, the few who could interact even briefly with each other considered themselves in "love". For lack of any other options, I believe they stuck with it.

Love, in essence, is a commitment to a person. These days, with so many other problems one has to face, lack of time, many alternatives and the general taboo attached to general boy girl interactions in our culture, lead to lack of understanding which is disasterous for any relationship. Plus it is far too easy to get out of it. Life is complicated enough without messing it up further.

So people are in "love" as long as it is convenient enough. When things get tougher, there are definitely other priorities which take precedence, be they family or career.

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love is actually a trial of your commitment and patience. most of the incidents related by you showed lack of commitment on one or the partner's part. You step out of the sphere of love the moment you break the sense of commitment. Obviously such people even if they claim and keep on claiming they "love" will be just like a boy who cried wolf.

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:rotfl:

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:(

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people love to put them before anything or anyone so just figure out "what extent" anyone would go for his/her love.

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Isn't it quite telling that most of the 'anti love' ppl have never even experienced it..

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[65:7] Allah puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given him. After a difficulty, Allah will soon grant relief.

applies to married or committed couples.

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I don't think we realize that love is not just about the mushy feelings. To love is be there through thick and thin, through sickness and health. Loving someone is not always easy, it requires you to be willing to face the difficulties and vow to make things right with the person. Sometimes you get to face more than your share of troubles for the other person. But if you can't do that for another person, you don't really love them.

However, if you realize that you'd be the only one trying to work through a relationship, it may not be the best one for you. Sometimes people do have irreconcilable differences. But I believe that with enough real commitment, there are very few things that can break a couple.

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I'm not 'anti-love', I mean to each their own, but I'm not a believer. I've seen many 'in love' couples get married and their weddings literally go to shambles. I've only seen a few completely successful marriages, a mix of arranged and love, and the couples have just learnt to compromise and the delicate balance of give and take, none of them profess their undying love to each other or sing songs around trees. You have to be realistic about life, to marry because you're compatible and not because of a rush of endorphins.
Plus, if love is so sacred and is such an unbreakable bond, how do you explain people falling in love with numerous people in their lives?
Just my opinion so don't shoot me! If love turns out to be true I'll be the happiest person here :)

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Urgh. Love is a pile of poo.

It's all about money and shoes.

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I dont really know what love is.

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I dont think anyone really does

Our best and most solid example of love is probably the love aged couples share. I always thought that a perfect example of love is looking at grandparents (if they are still together - experiences may vary , may be anyone's grandparents). Basically people who have lived through life together and seen it through.

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You are right that you have to be compatible and shouldn't make decisions because of an endorphin rush. That is very stupid. You are also right that it is in give and take that marriage survive. But you're mistaken in thinking that love marriages aren't like that. People who aren't like that have love with a lack of awareness of the necessity of all these things you mentioned. You can be in love and BE reasonable. There is nothing better than that.

Professing undying love and all that bollywood stuff only happens in the honeymoon period [if at all?].

Also, love is sacred, but not necessarily the romantic kind. The notion of love is sacred. Its "sacredness" does not disappear because you care about more than one person very deeply (some clearly more than others). Also, as we grow, our capacity and understanding of what it means to love someone also grows.

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This is an interesting and good topic.

To me aswell, both sides of the argument here hold. I agree that many of the both types of marriage; 'love' and 'arranged' are succesful and also that many of them are unsuccesful.
I have seen people go to great lengths and sacrifices to furfil thier commitments to thier loved one and also people who get that notorious and convinient 'reality check' at a point when the 'endophins and mushyness' wears down, seeing that them and thier spouse are uncompatible or unsuitable for one another and thus begin to dissolve the relation.

Whether or not an 'arranged' or 'love' relation will last depends on a number of factors. Assuming that a spouse has not purposly commited the act that created the difficulty in thier relation, the personality of the partner concerned is the prime feature in determining how they will react to the change in circumstances.
Lets for example assume that the girl has an accident and is injured or temporarily paralysed from some part of her body. Now in this sense, this would be a test for the guy and practically yes it is a burden for him. However, if he is a **grateful **person, he would remember the things his spouse has done and sacrificed for him and what she would have done if had the roles been reversed. Then there are the other personality factors such as honesty, loyalty, attachment/love, that come into play.

The secondary factors that determine his level of commitment would be external ones such as;

  • Influence from family/parents
  • His level of intellect ( This is to determine how much he will allow others to influence him)
  • Degree of closness of the two families (i.e if it is a cousin or relative marriage then thier is likely to be a stronger bond and support system between the two families)
  • His religious level and character (character to do with whether he has regard for general principles, morality and respect issues)
  • The strength of the relationship- marital relationships tend to be stronger than fiance/girlfriend-boyfriend relationships and so more loyalty could be expected.
  • Whether or not the couple has children - if there are children, they will bear a great weight on thier spouse to help and treat/maintain the loved parent who is inflicted.

..and the list is not exhaustive

Therefore many factors come into play.

Additionally, but on a personal level - if I am unable to make choice or assesment or on a situation; i refer back to learn on what Islam has said on the topic, and very often I find that Islam has already foretold a very appropriate and/or insightful solution.

For example; Islam states that marriages should be based on compatibility and that love develops after marriage.
Nabi Pak, also stated that the prime things to look for in a husband is good character and good deen. (Please note that 'character' is a wider concept than that of sombody having or not had an ex).

Another thing is that; whether people marry for love or more, very often the very resulting practicalities in life that each partner helped each another in, increase the **need **of partners for each other. To elaborate, if there has been a healthy and good relationship between a couple for some time, where two people not only love each other but also through time have developed a greater understanding for each other- a need has developed for that partner which is harder to detach oneself from and one that somebody else would not be able to fulfil instantly.

So in essence, my point is that, there is a greater chance of future commitment if prior commitment and understanding has been at a high and good level.
Also, I would reiterate that the stronger the bond, for example a marriage bond compared to a bf-gf type of bond, the more likely is there to be future commitment on a change in circumtance.

In summary i would say that no matter how much prior investigation or knowledge one has gained about a potential and his family, nothing is guranteed and that everybody has to take the chance at some point.

I hope this post goes some way in addresing the topic.

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$hit happen when people interchange (or confuse) love with expectations.

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So you mean to say, there should be no expectations when you are in love.

Wives having lots of expectations and demands from their husband do not love them. Right? :konfused:

And before marriage, gf/ fiancees having expectations from their bf/ fiances (like they don’t give them time, they don’t call them much etc.), are not in love with them.

If you cannot be in love while having expectations, this means no one in the world is in LOVE, since we all have expectations from others (even if we only talk about boy/ girl and husband/ wife relationships).

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I'd like to think my amma abba love each other since they've been together for 25+ years. So, no, love is not a temporary state of mind. It's very much possible to be romantic and realistic at the same time. What a bunch of teens share for a short while isn't love, its the hormones. The reasonable expectations that my parents have for each other aren't the same as the checklist us younglings use in quest of THE perfect man/woman.

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^ Definition of 'Love' is different...............my comment was about the usual meaning of pre-marital love (without living for years with another person)..