no. you said gloating. and you mentioned women and children. both of which are emotively characterizing an argument to counter an argument you dont like that was neither gloating, nor emotively phrased.
Now. if mentioning acts of violence was somehow uncompassionate then there would be no talk on World Affairs about Iraq or Palestine or Kashmir. It is absolutely important that we talk about historical crimes. It is infact belittling the suffering of those people to forget about what happened to them, and not at all mention them at the hands of those who caused their suffering, those they are all buddy buddy with now.
Umer wanted to kill Mohammad and the Prince of Bombay was also the Ambassador for Hindu-Muslim Unity. What r u going to do about it?
First of all, learn to differentiate btw Prophets and common criminals ie dont be so arrogant and pompous that u forget the difference. I wud be totally in place to use much harsher language for your absoluetly stupid comparison, then again I do not enjoy the MOD privelages. Rest be assured, any other forum, u wud be treated with utmost disrespect.
Secondly, when u mention the name of the prophet then dont forget to add PBUH, that is standard muslim requirement, Iam assuming u r Muslim.
Thridly, the point was very simple, politicians have no religion or loyalty when they formulate their immediate needs such as electoral alliances. So why all this moral outrage when the same parties have slept with Mqm in the past.
I am just asking you not to mention these incidents to make a political point.
And I believe as long as you dont characterize it emotively or are insulting towards the dead you need to discuss past crimes in political discussions or risk leaving them out from disucssion, and allow the present criminal hypocricy of MQM.
Go ahead, call it whatever you want to. We live in a world where our decent and religion is used to justify terrorism by Muslims and non-Muslims. I am just asking you to be careful when you bring up incidents like these where fault is of everyone, but we have seen repeatedly mistake made by media and people to use it for blame game and to make a political point. It further erodes the compassion in and between the communities and is in no way tribute to the dead.
You can believe whatever you want to, I won't bother you again.
Go ahead, call it whatever you want to. We live in a world where our decent and religion is used to justify terrorism by Muslims and non-Muslims. I am just asking you to be careful when you bring up incidents like these where fault is of everyone, but we have seen repeatedly mistake made by media and people to use it for blame game and to make a political point. It further erodes the compassion in and between the communities and is in no way tribute to the dead.
You can believe whatever you want to, I won't bother you again.
thank you. even though you havent been able to show how I wasnt careful, beyond mentioning gloating and women and children out of which you've now backed out.
anytime you can do that i'll be happy to edit my post.
Once Hazrat Umar (ra) swore allegiance to the Prophet (saw), he did not keep switching sides. Don't compare him with Pakistani politicians.
Who says its about switching sides? And even if it is, did PPP switch sides and become right of the center overnight? Did PML-N leave its rightist leanings for an alliance with PPP?
First of all, learn to differentiate btw Prophets and common criminals ie dont be so arrogant and pompous that u forget the difference. I wud be totally in place to use much harsher language for your absoluetly stupid comparison, then again I do not enjoy the MOD privelages. Rest be assured, any other forum, u wud be treated with utmost disrespect.
Secondly, when u mention the name of the prophet then dont forget to add PBUH, that is standard muslim requirement, Iam assuming u r Muslim.
Thridly, the point was very simple, politicians have no religion or loyalty when they formulate their immediate needs such as electoral alliances. So why all this moral outrage when the same parties have slept with Mqm in the past.
Is it really a stupid comparison? Was Umer not a political leader, as much as a religious leader, ur lecture on Islamiat notwithstanding?
Who says its about switching sides? And even if it is, did PPP switch sides and become right of the center overnight? Did PML-N leave its rightist leanings for an alliance with PPP?
Joining one party one day, the other next. It's like if the Taliban were to join NATO tomorrow. They wouldn't lose their beards, but everyone would know who they are aligned with.
Is it really a stupid comparison? Was Umer not a political leader, as much as a religious leader, ur lecture on Islamiat notwithstanding?
Since u insist on persueing this incredibly ignorant argument, then think about this. Hazrat Umer was never part of any political party, his conversion to Islam was by DIVINE intervention, does any of your moronic political leaders come even close divine intervention? Or r u so full of yourself that u cannot see the truth?
Hazrat Umer belongs to the select few Sahaba who wil be with the Prophet, does any of your criminal politicians even come close?
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was not a political party leader that has a feww hundred supporters, his followers are 1.4Billion, many more have come and many more will come. So beter be careful when u make comparisons,dont let this little Mod job get to your tiny head, u r nothing compared to the Holy Prophet. Understood.
Since u insist on persueing this incredibly ignorant argument, then think about this. Hazrat Umer was never part of any political party, his conversion to Islam was by DIVINE intervention, does any of your moronic political leaders come even close divine intervention? Or r u so full of yourself that u cannot see the truth?
Hazrat Umer belongs to the select few Sahaba who wil be with the Prophet, does any of your criminal politicians even come close?
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was not a political party leader that has a feww hundred supporters, his followers are 1.4Billion, many more have come and many more will come. So beter be careful when u make comparisons,dont let this little Mod job get to your tiny head, u r nothing compared to the Holy Prophet. Understood.
Divine intervention or not, does it change the facts on ground? Moreover, u r only validating my point when u say Mohammad was a political leader. Thats what I am saying. By the same token, Umer was a political leader too. Whats wrong in comparing him with today's political leaders? It is alright for u to make comparisons that make him stand tall against our politicians yet it is blasphemy when I point out this historical fact to u? Am I only allowed to make favorable comparisons?
Lastly, u don't have to rag our politicians to illustrate ur point about Umer's greatness and so on.
I really don't know how this marriage will work at all, well its politics I might work. If I remember correctly Altaf Hussein (MQM) cheated on Benazir (PPP) in their first marriage (PPP's first government after Zia??), then BB unleashed Babur on MQM... now they want to marry again? WoW! The circus of politics.
Last time it was a case of domestic violence with one partner subduing the other via the authorities .....this time it will be mariticide!
Divine intervention or not, does it change the facts on ground? Moreover, u r only validating my point when u say Mohammad was a political leader. Thats what I am saying. By the same token, Umer was a political leader too. Whats wrong in comparing him with today's political leaders? It is alright for u to make comparisons that make him stand tall against our politicians yet it is blasphemy when I point out this historical fact to u? Am I only allowed to make favorable comparisons?
Lastly, u don't have to rag our politicians to illustrate ur point about Umer's greatness and so on.
I agree with your point regarding Umer not needing any ragging of political leaders/chorr of today.
You still do not comprehend the difference btw religious beliefs and those of political nature. To say Umer was motivated by political ambitions such as those that drive politicians of today is wrong simply because Umer had no political goals, his was a divine conversion and once converted served the Prophet and his Allah with great conviction and never wavered or changed sides. Can u say that for these political parties/leaders who change loyalties like the changing seasons.
That was the whole idea. If u keep saying..oh he did this at one point in time and now he is doing the opposite..I am afraid that will not lead u anywhere. Politics is fluid. The historical stance of a person has no bearing on the public. Remember, Bhutto was "groomed" by Ayub himself and I've already given u the example of Jinnah.
Is there evidence that this “alliance” is occurring in the near future?
I amazed to see people’s reactions regarding this possible alliance. Where is the venom? Where is the anger? Here is what one guppie had to say about PPP’s new partners:
The MQM slogan!
Why is this poor nation so cursed that it has to put up with such a party, which has no respect for human life, liberty, or morality in general...
so you are of that view, okay now I know.