PPP leadership?

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A humiliation indeed. And a pity that both prominent Bhuttos lost their lives at the most sensitive times.

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stop alleging that God holds grudges… and grow up!

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dont forget, history repeats itself!... leaders suppose to be naib (assistant) of ALLAH SWT :) .....and this gonna happen again and again until we as a nation not making outselves correct.

ZAB was hanged
his wife (i dont have wordz)
for shahnewaz, zulfiqar and benazir, all three ended up almost the same way.

ps. well i greatly respect Benazir bhutto, but she wasnt a great leader! (his father was)

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bhutto means ZAB...not benazir

and now tell me where was i wrong?

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Don't worry. There are many to lead the party. Starting with Amin Fahim, Aitezaz Ahsan, Raja Pervez Ashraf, Qureshis of Musltan and so on. Possibility of Zardari is very remote.

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Zardari will take over and maybe only a crook can replace another crook.

round jhoomers in fashion now............ pics
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I think Aitzaz Ashan will be the best candidate to lead the PPP. I hope they give him a chance.

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Farewell to Wadi Bua

By Fatima Bhutto

LARKANA: My aunt and I had a complicated relationship. That is the truth, the sad truth. The last fifteen years were not one we spent as friends or as relatives, that is also the truth. But this week, I too want to remember her differently. I want to remember her differently because I must. I can’t lose faith in this country, my home. I can’t believe that it was for nothing, that violence in its purest form is so cruel and so unforgiving. I can’t accept that this is what we have come to. So, I must offer a farewell. One that is written in tears and anger but one that comes from a place far away, from the realm of memory and forgiving –- a place where at another time, we might have all been safe. As a child, I used to call my aunt Wadi Bua, Sindhi for father’s older sister.

When I got the news, I was told that something had happened to Wadi Bua. It was an expression I hadn’t heard or used in a very long time, when I heard it said to me over the phone I remembered someone different.

We used to read children’s books together. We used to like exactly the same sweets –- sugared chestnuts and candied apples. We used to get the same ear infections, ear infections that tortured us and plagued us throughout the years.

I have never before written an article that seemed so impossible. We were very different. Though people liked to compare us, almost instinctively, because well, they could. It is difficult for me to write about two people, one in the present tense and one in the past, at the same time.

Especially when one person’s passing makes the other one wonder whether there is a cusp to things and whether or not there really is a past and present to life.

I never agreed with her politics. I never did. I never agreed with those she kept around her, the political opportunists, hanger-ons, them. They repulse me.

I never agreed with her version of events. Never. But in death, in death perhaps there is a moment to call for calm. To say, enough. We have had enough. We cannot, and we will not, take anymore madness.

I mourn because my family has had enough. I mourn for Bilawal, Bakhtawar, and Asifa. I mourn for them because I too lost a parent. I know what it feels like to be lost and left at sea, unanchored and afraid.

I mourn for the workers of the party, those who have been bereaved of their own loved ones in this tragedy.

When congregants gather in a church, temple, or mosque they offer prayers for those that reside beyond. The congregants sing to the heavens and they offer the divine their hymns of sadness and hope. There are no hymns consisting of frustration or anger –- this too shall pass, they say, remember that. What hymns do we sing now?

In those hymns, there is hope encapsulated in the sadness. There is a lingering sense that after darkness a dawn will rise. What then do we have to be hopeful for? And how do we proceed to wake the dawn?

I have always been honest with you, I promised that to you at the beginning. Honestly, I am at a loss. I am compounded in a state of shock.

I am in shock because I have yet to bury a loved one who has died from natural causes. Four. That’s the number of family members, immediate family members, whom we have laid to rest, all victims of senseless, senseless killing.

I was born five years after my grandfather, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s assassination. I was born into the void of his absence and for my father, Murtaza, I was a new chance at life. I grew up hearing my grandfather’s speeches, watching him on old black and white video cassettes, enamoured at his every word. My father was a young man when his father was killed and it was something he carried with him every second, every minute for the rest of his life.

I was three when my uncle Shahnawaz was murdered. I remember Wadi Bua sitting with me and telling me stories while the rest of the family was with the police.

When I was fourteen, my life was ended. I lost my heart and soul, my father Murtaza. I am and have been since then a shell of the person I was. I suppose there are cusps in life, and thank god for that because that way we can stay in between.

And now at twenty five, Wadi. But this isn’t about me, it’s about those whom we have lost. It’s about the graveyard at Garhi Khuda Bux that is just too full.

I pray that this is the last, that from this moment onwards we will no longer have to bid farewell too quickly. . Wadi, farewell.

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Only a Bhutto can replace a Bhutto...but i hope that does not happen because we don't want another bhutto to die an un-natural death, they have had enough I think.

The truth is wether any body liked Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto or not, whether anyone liked Benazir or not they are the only two leaders Pakistan has ever had, who could talk about issues, who knew how to deal with other countries, who could resist establishment. That is why they were both killed!

Wether PPP survives or not will depend on who leads it but as I said only a Bhutto can replace a Bhutto simply because People cast their vote for Bhutto not PPP.

I only hope the party stays as it is the only party that talks about people's problems that is liberal, that actually knows what democracy is.

In Benazir what we have lost the most is a person who could represent us in the outside world in a manner none could!

I may not agree with her policies, some of her decision but I know she was truly the binding force between the four provinces.

In short Pakistan is out of leadership that is what establishment wanted, no one to stand against them. Some how I feel Nawaz might be their next target.

May God rest her soul in peace and give us a leader who can lead our country through this troubled time.

And it is time for Musharraf now to tell us What is his legacy of 8 year rule? Terrorism? Security problems? An even stronger establishment? What did he give us? He only took away, our rights , our independence and now our leader.

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How many Bhutto's would the establishment kill? Just how many? How will it kill the Bhutto that lives in the hearts of the people? Just how?

Hearing about her death I have seen men cry, strong men who i thought could never cry even in public. Why they cried? Because Bhutto lives in them...will establishment kill them all? Just how many would they kill?

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Bhutto clan is not bigger than Pakistan.

murtaza was killed by her own sister's regime

and lets not forget the first terrorist group in pakistan was PPP's al zulfiqar, ran by murtaza and shahnawaz bhutto, which not only left a chain of assassinations and bombings and then hijacked a plane, killed hostages, attempted to assassinate gen zia and attempted tpo bomb a rally of the pope who visited Pakistan.

maybe the nation should realize that the country is bigger than these dynasties and people.

unlike NAwaz or Imran, Benazir sold out to musharraf and thew west, and she was going to sellout AQKhan and she was going to sell out fata.

so, do we need bhuttos in our politics? not really.

but with fatima and bilawal coming of age, sure we will see bhuttos in politics again. let us hope that by that time political institutions are strong enough that they are not tools for yet another bhutto.

nation has suffered under the previous ones enough.

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We can hope the educated Bilawal will lead the party in the future soon.

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hopefully the democratic institutions in the country would have matured enough to be free from the cluthces of these fuedal lords.

the deeds of benzir, murtaza and shahnawaz bhutto is already listed, let me list some of zulfiqar, so maybe if bilawal or fatima do intend to jump into politics they will try not to repeat the mistakes of their parents or grandparents generation

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/P…ow/2659912.cms

Pak’s family affair with India
29 Dec 2007, 0419 hrs IST,Ronojoy Sen,TNN
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More importantly, Zulfikar Bhutto was one of the architects of Operation Gibraltar which intended to foment an uprising in Jammu and Kashmir by sending in trained guerrillas. A number of training camps were established in Pakistan-occupied (Azad) Kashmir and volunteers recruited. The first terrorists or mujahideen infiltrated into India during the winter of 1964-65. This would lead to a serious crisis in Kashmir and eventually a full scale Indo-Pak war in August 1965. It is no surprise that Alastair Lamb, who has authored several books on the region, writes that ZA Bhutto was “a key figure in the crisis in Indo-Pakistani relations which was to develop during 1965”.

However, when ZA Bhutto came to the negotiating table at Simla in 1972 Pakistan had just suffered a catastrophic defeat to India and East Pakistan had broken away.

The Simla agreement was a face-saving deal for ZA Bhutto, who immediately on landing in Lahore on his return from Simla declared: “On the vital question of Kashmir we have made no compromise.” The implicit understanding that the Line of Control would become the de facto border between India and Kashmir was quickly forgotten.

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I can only smile at your ignorance...only establishment is bigger than Pakistan :)

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and I can only puke at your stupidity :)
you can kiss the bhutto clans ass all you want
but they are not bigger than pakistan, no one is.

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I hope not. PPP needs to move from Bhutto family party to a national party. Another Bhutto is what PPP doesn’t need. BTW, I heard Zardari is tipped to be the new PPP chief. Thats the worse thing that can happen to PPP.

Senior PPP leaders are confident that the party is in tact and there is no crisis. For the time being senior vice chairman of the party Makhdoom Amin Fahim is looking after the day-to-day affairs.

According to some reliable sources in the party an informal meeting of the central executive committee of the PPP will be held on Saturday in Garhi Khuda Bakhsh and this meeting will formulate the future strategy of the party.

**These sources say the future chairperson of the PPP will also be elected very soon and there will be no leadership crisis.

Sanam Bhutto, the younger sister of Benazir Bhutto, is not interested in taking over the party because she is a non-political person, living in London for the last three decades.

Nusrat Bhutto, mother of Benazir, is sick. Many PPP old guards are of the view that Asif Ali Zardari should be given a chance to lead the party as he had spent a total of 12 years in jail, from 1990 to 1993 and then from 1996 to 2005.** Benazir once declared her husband as the Nelson Mandela of Pakistan.

No doubt that Zardari has been a controversial personality and faced charges of corruption for years but none of these charges was proved in any court of law. Zardari has appealed to the workers and supporters of PPP that they must protest against the assassination of their beloved leader but they should not create any law and order situation because their martyred leader always believed in a peaceful struggle.

Zardari is confident the PPP is still a symbol for the federation of Pakistan and this party will protect the federation in future.

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more on the bhuttos, the terrorist prince murtaza bhutto..

The great game: The KGB and Pakistan
BY MATEIN KHALID

Mir Murtaza Bhutto knew that the Americans would embrace Zia after Carter’s NSC Advisor Brzezinski showed up at the GHQ and posed at the Khyber Pass waving an AK–47 soon after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Who gave a damn about vengeance for ZA Bhutto’s judicial murder in Washington when the Reagan White House had decided to bleed the Soviets to the last Afghan in payback time for Vietnam? But a son’s love for his father is limitless. Had not Mr. Bhutto written from the death cell “My sons are not my sons if they do not drink the blood of those who dare shed my blood today”? So Murtaza founded Al–Zulfiqar in Kabul, declared war against the Islamic world’s most powerful military regime, something not on the curriculum of the Karachi Grammar School or Harvard College. Disaster, tragedy and death were now inevitable.

Saain Bhutto and his Comedy Central groupies of rookie guerrillas hung out in Kabul’s derelict Dracula House, firing AK-47’s, strutting in military camouflage with the chic Che look, drinking Scotch with Afghan intelligence chief Dr Najibullah, a de facto KGB general. Najib, of course, was also the president of Afghanistan hanged by the Taleban in 1996 three months before Murtaza met his nemesis in a Clifton ambush.

Al-Zulfiqar began covert-ops against Zia’s Pakistan in earnest, with KHAD/KGB support. The Kremlin, of course, also wanted to punish General Zia for allowing America, China and Saudi Arabia to finance the Afghan mujahideen revolt against its Marxist Kabul vassal regime. Murtaza’s men bombed the Sindh High Court, assassinated Zia cronies in the Punjab who had signed his father’s death warrant, used the terrorist Tipu (a Karachi Shipowners Collage gun freak!) to hijack a PIA airliner at Karachi to divert it to Kabul. Dr Salahuddin (Murtaza’s code name to his self–styled PPP revolutionaries) welcomed Tipu on the tarmac at Kabul airport with the KGB resident [chief of station to the Christians In Action (CIA!)] watching and listening to everything in the control tower. Women and children were released from the hijacked PIA plane and a triumphant Tipu spoke to Dr Babrak Kamal, the president of Afghanistan installed by the USSR after the invasion. Then came the dance of death.

An ADC to PM Bhutto who the paranoid Tipu thought was an ISI agent, Captain Tariq Rahim, was machine gunned, thrown to the tarmac to bleed to death. The KGB had armed Tipu and his men with grenades, explosives, timers, machine guns, money. Out raged by the killing, Andropov ordered Najibullah to order the flight to Damascus, where President Assad negotiated the end of the hijack. Al-Zulfikar’s stock soared in Kabul and the Kremlin. Murtaza was a hero to the Sindh and Baluchistan secessionists. It was a message from Andropov to Zia, KGB to ISI. You hit us in Paktia, Kunar and the Panjsher Valley, we hit you in Quetta, Larkana and the Marri Hills. After all, there were two million Afghan refugees in Pakistan and hundreds were agents whose ultimate boss was Yevgeny Primakov of Lubyanka Central’s Oriental Institute.

It was all downhill for Mir Murtaza after the PIA hijack, apart from the birth of his lovely daughter, the poetess, writer and Columbia grad Fatima Bhutto. Two assassination attempts against Zia’s Falcon private jet went wrong. Al-Zulfikar’s shooters bungled the SAM-7 missile’s viewfinder and aircraft heat sensor. Had Zia been killed as his plane landed at Chaklala by an assassin’s missile n 1982, the world would have been so different now.

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mor reading, this was written before her assassination but eye opening

http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1955
**[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]BENZAIR SINGS DEMOCRACY BUT SUPPORT TERRORISM **

[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Dr Shahid Qureshi
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Benazir Bhuto is termed as ‘queen of corruption’ in the media and her brother Murtaza Bhutto a ‘Terrorist Prince’. Famous journalist Anthony Davis wrote [FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]in Asia Week on 30th November 2000, “Bhutto’s Heir to Violence:[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’] The farce and tragedy of a man of terror”. [FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]The whole of Pakistan and region is on the verge of collapse and turmoil because of the mistakes of Benziar Bhutto and her government’s support of Taliban which became Al-Qaida. Benazir Bhutto admitted few months ago, “We made a mistake in supporting (creating) Taliban”, at London School of Economics (LSE).Her interior minister Naseerullah Babar used to call ‘Taliban’ my boys. If Karachi bombing is at all linked to Taliban than she got into her own mess? She tries getting her ratings high in the West by claiming certain pro Taliban elements are after her life. Batullah Masood’s group denied any statement about Benzair as published by a pro US Lahore based paper. She sings democracy to Westerner but run her party like a family business and has earned more than $2 billion tax free.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Anthony Davis wrote,” Bhutto’s eldest son, saw himself as political heir. But he will probably be remembered less as the politician he sought to become and more as the man who once led a terrorist group dedicated to overthrowing Zia’s military dictatorship. Murtaza’s death all but guaranteed that: he died in 1996 in a gun battle with police outside his Karachi home. Because of Pakistani press censorship during the martial law years from 1977 to 1985 - and Murtaza’s understandable reluctance to discuss his terrorist past - little was known of the activities of the Al-Zulfiqar group he set up in Kabul in 1979. Until now, that is. Raja Anwar gives a fascinating insider’s view of Murtaza’s career in The Terrorist Prince (Verso Books, New York, 241 pages, $25).Superbly translated by Khalid Hasan. The Kabul-based outfit is first presented as the armed wing of his father’s Pakistan People’s Party. As Al-Zulfiqar, it springs to international prominence with the 1981 hijacking of a (PIA) Pakistani airliner en route to Kabul.”
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Mr Davis states that, “(Alzuifqar) attempted to bring down Zia’s jet with a surface-to-air missile in 1982 is bungled because the would-be assassin has never used the weapon before. It is only when Al-Zulfiqar relocates to India later that year that the recruits benefit from some real training - courtesy of Indian’s external intelligence agency (RAW). In 1984 kidnapping of foreign diplomats at a Canadian National Day celebration at a Vienna hotel - turns into dark comedy. The terrorists arrive to discover there is no celebration. True to form, Murtaza is not among them - he had left for the Riviera. The team wanders the streets taking snapshots and drinking beer until they are finally arrested by Austrian police on suspicion of drug smuggling. Murtaza gets a payback of sorts. On his return to Pakistan in 1993, he is arrested and jailed for about half a year on murder and sedition charges.”
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Pakistan is a strange country where anything can happen, people who should be in prison become prime ministers and call themselves honorable. Last month was 10th anniversary of Benazir Bhutto’s brother, Murtaza Bhutto, who headed of Alzulifqar terrorist group. She clearly benefited from the terrorist activities of Al-zulifqar and reportedly supported its members after coming into power. Otherwise high jacking a plane is not a petty crime under national and international law. To some people Bhutto is westernized and has no understanding how people of Pakistan are surviving. The so-called US sponsored deal and National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) cannot be compared with the South African ‘Truth and reconciliation Commission’ because there is no admission of guilt and crimes committed.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]How on earth democracies like Britain and US support the most corrupt politician with total corruption wealth of $2 billion? Pakistan is a country of 160 million and many of them are articulate, honest and can speak good English! This kind of behavior is not going down well among the masses in Pakistan. One cannot have a high standard of morality and democracy in his or her own country but allow and support the corrupt and compromised to become prime minister. This who is your ‘chief’ type mentally must be change. People of Pakistan hate double standard in policy. Majority of people in Pakistan are moderate and like to have close and good ties with the US and West. They can learn from each others experiences. The relationship with the US should be ‘solid but not slavish’.

[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Some experts are saying that Karachi bombing on October 18th 2007 was just a warning for her. Former PPP leader and Governor Ghulam Mustafa Khar said in press today that, ‘she will be attacked in Punjab’. That is a very serious warning. Critics says that it seems to be a conspiracy to get Benzair killed in Punjab and than start civil war (separation war) under the pretext that Punjab killed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and now his daughter by the Punjabi Army. Benzair herself is already working on the same agenda otherwise there was no reason for her to accuse Supreme Court of Pakistan of being pro Punjab! How irresponsible is that? It was Punjab who made her and her father twice Prime Minister of Pakistan. Six terms of prime ministership have been served by Sindhis. Benzair is from the line of collaborators.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Fatima Bhutto accused Asif Zardari for murder of her father Murtaza Bhutto. According to intelligence reports Bhutto’s used to conspire against Pakistan were involved in terrorist bombings, assassinations and murders in Pakistan during the Zia period. PIA airliner was hijacked and taken to Indo-Soviet influenced Kabul by Alzulifqar terrorist Islamullah Tippu with the orders of Bhutto’s. According to some reports Alzulifqar fired rockets on President Zia’s aircraft many times and was reportedly a suspect behind the mysterious C-130 crash of General Zia after which Benzair Bhutto become Prime Minster of Pakistan with the help of US. Than pages from the intelligence files of Murtaza Bhutto started missing until he become member of the provincial assembly of Sind in his absence.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]According to Wikipedia, [FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]“Al-Zulfiqar was being funded by the Soviet-backed government in Kabul, staged a string of political assassinations, bank robberies and bombings before pulling off its most daring act when in 1981 it hijacked a Pakistan International Airlines flight from Peshawar to Kabul. The hijacking drama went on for thirteen days in which Lieutenant Tariq Rahim was shot dead, the hijackers mistakenly believing he was the son of General Rahimuddin Khan, a prominent member of the Zia dictatorship. This forced the Zia regime to accept the demands of the hijackers of releasing dozens of Pakistan Peoples Party and other leftist political prisoners languishing in Pakistani jails. The Al-Zulfiqar also attempted to assassinate Zia on a number of occasions and it made an attempt to bomb a rally in Karachi held in honor of the Pope who was visiting Pakistan in 1980.”
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]In 1997, Murtaza was assassinated by a group of police guards when they fired on his convoy of cars in Karachi. The police said that Murtaza’s armed guards had fired upon them first. Murtaza supporters believe Asif Ali Zardari ordered his assassination stated the web base encyclopedia. The claim of Asif Zardari’s link with the killing is confirmed by Murtaza’s daughter and niece of Benzair Bhutto.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Fatima Bhutto wrote in September 2007 in a national English daily newspaper, “Curiosity impels people to ask about the not-so hidden hand, the highest level of government, so I will answer. Asif Zardari, lifelong senator and current PPP poster boy, now lives in New York City in the Trump Towers apartment complex on Fifth Avenue with his dog Maximillian”
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Miss Bhutto wrote, “Mrs Zardari (Benzair Bhutto) resides between London and Dubai. She plans to return to Pakistan in one month’s time and be hailed as your next prime minister and Gen Musharraf’s new best friend. Mrs. Zardari is currently being tried in a Swiss court for corruption. There is also a case in Spain’s courts against her for corruption – the evidence was unearthed after the Spanish police were following paper trails after the 2004 Madrid bombings and came across some suspicious looking accounts belonging to Mrs Zardari. Mrs Zardari has numerous corruption cases lodged against her in her own country. There have been allegations that she and her partner stole $1.5 to 2 billion from the Pakistani treasury. She’s on her way back for round three.”
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Benazir Bhutto’s and her family has caused more harm to Pakistan than anybody else starting from the separation of East Pakistan to the bombings, murders, assassinations of opposition politicians and hijacking PIA airliner of Al-zulifqar . Bhutto’s been /is known as collaborators of the British colonialists in the undivided India, this collaboration did not stop but extended to the US and others players today. She was in self exile due to money laundering and corruption of $2 billion from Pakistan’s treasury. She was never stopped to come back to Pakistan.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]The unfortunate Benzair Bhutto’s show of 18th October 2007 was no doubt British and US sponsored according to some sources. Benazir’s arrogance and ignorance has caused death of more than 140 and injured 550 innocent people and their families. She was warned in advance by both President Musharaf and Prime Minister to delay her visit of not to do the rally.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]Since the inception of Pakistan Bhutto family has been linked to the politics long before partition. Sir Shahnawaz was Prime Minister of Junagarh and very well know collaborator of the British India Government. Z A Bhutto came into power with the support of General Ayub Khan, a dictator whom he used to call ‘dad’. Now in 2007 Benzair Bhutto his daughter came to Pakistan after doing a deal with General Musharaf because $2 billion is a lot of money and worth it. Forget about the people and ethics and principles.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]ZA Bhutto was directly responsible for separation of Pakistan for not allowing formation of government by the majority party ‘Awami League’ of East Pakistan. ZA Bhutto was later hanged in a murder case, which could have been avoided, had Bhutto’s defense team not delayed the case unnecessarily with the requests of adjournment motions according to some legal experts the outcome would be different.
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’]People of Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan have learnt the trick in 21st Century to use against any attempt to re-colonization or occupation ‘kill the collaborators first’!
[FONT=‘Georgia’,‘serif’](Dr Shahid Qureshi is senior award wining investigative journalist and writer on security, foreign policy, and terrorism based in London)

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I never said Bhutto's are bigger than Pakistan but if we ever had leaders in our history they were them! Good or bad!

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Yes, that is what I am hearing as well. He will count on the massive symathy in Sindh to grab the leadership, but it will lead to a bloody confontation with some powerful wadera's believe me.