Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
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Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
yeh baat :cobra: fori tor per tarefein 
aor punjab ney to kuch bhi shuru nahin kia na jo kia hey sub ghalat hey 
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aqa IK ney to farmya tha 6 month mein sub kuch mukamil aor in 300+ project k barey mein irshad hey
koun jeeta hey tairey project k mukamil honey tuk
nai govt aa jay gi 1 bhi masoba pora honey tuk
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Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
Just to put it in perspective, and get a clearer idea of the frauds going on at the federal level, oil prices have dropped by almost 25% over the past 4 months in the international. Since most of our IPPs run on furnace oil, power price hikes should be reaping big commissions for the bigwigs no doubt
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
GO Nawaz Go
I heard that federal Government is providing 100% subsidy on electricity used through oil. What does that mean? Does that mean they provide electricity produced through oil at rates of electricity from water to consumers?
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There is no such thing as a subsidy in Pakistan. If the kickbacks and commissions are eliminated, ‘subsidies’ will be eliminated. And there are heavy surcharges on water based electricity as well…so its not as if hydel power is being sold at the 2 or 3 rupees.
Despite making tall claims, PMLN made no effort to restructure the IPP agreement, and made a payment of more than Rs.300 billion immediately after coming to power.
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
But when PMLN Ministers give 100% subsidy statement on furnace oil electricity what does this technically mean?
Govt appoints new water, power secy in damage control move
He informed that government provided 100 percent subsidy on the electricity generated from oil and so the electricity generated at Rs 18 per unit is being provided for Rs 9 instead. The minister categorically rejected opposition blames regarding setting up fake companies to pay off loans and told that the companies would be presented before the media once the contracts will be signed.
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
But when PMLN Ministers give 100% subsidy statement on furnace oil electricity what does this technically mean?
It means that the money paid to IPPs is half covered by the consumer, and half by the govt. The consumer pays for the electricity production, and the govt pays for the electricity production capacity.
But then again, whatever the govt pays is also given by the public (in the form of taxes, surcharges etc), so technically, the consumer is paying for the production, as well as for the production capacity.....hence, there are no subsidies.
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
It means that the money paid to IPPs is half covered by the consumer, and half by the govt. The consumer pays for the electricity production, and the govt pays for the electricity production capacity.
But then again, whatever the govt pays is also given by the public (in the form of taxes, surcharges etc), so technically, the consumer is paying for the production, as well as for the production capacity.....hence, there are no subsidies.
In other words, government is utlising public taxes to facilitate public.
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Pakistanis are paying more thank 15 rupees per unit, the minister it seems is making some typo here
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
In other words, government is utlising public taxes to facilitate public.
No...govt is flushing taxes down the drain.
If an IPP has a production capacity of 1000MW, but only produces 200MW because of lack of oil, the IPP still gets paid for 1000MW. Not sure how the public benefits from paying for 800MW that were never produced. This is what gives rise to the elusive circular debt. Hence the need to redraft IPP contracts (which will not be done because buddies are involved)
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
No...govt is flushing taxes down the drain. If an IPP has a production capacity of 1000MW, but only produces 200MW because of lack of oil, the IPP still gets paid for 1000MW. Not sure how the public benefits from paying for 800MW that were never produced. This is what gives rise to the elusive circular debt. Hence the need to redraft IPP contracts (which will not be done because buddies are involved)
This!
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Now you know what PMLN meant when they said that they will eradicate power shortage in the country. Raise the tariff so high that ordinary person cant afford to pay so he wont use electricity, no electricity no shortage. Problem solved.
Hats off to PMLN for fulfilling another one of their pre election pledges.
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In my previous posts, I gave reason for high electricity cost that is nothing to do with cost of production. But seems no one is taking heed. So, question is:
In 2007, electricity in Pakistan was ~Rs 4 per unit and Pakistan has no circular debt. Few years later:
In 2014, electricity cost increased to ~Rs 18 per unit.
Why is that? … What is the reason electricity cost increased 4 and half time in last 7 years, when oil price has not changed much neither demand.
World gas price and electricity cost produced by gas has gone done substantially from what it was between 2005-09 (or earlier)… here is chart that shows, price of electricity produced by gas should have gone down since peaks in 2005 to 2008.
http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/natgas1-600x475.jpg
Pakistan electricity production capacity is 50 percent more than what Pakistan needs and is twice of what Pakistan actually produces … so, what is the problem? Why load shedding and such high cost of electricity?
Here is chart of Pakistan total power generation, shows today Pakistan is producing electricity even lower than 2006.
[Chart is interesting, as electricity consumption is one criteria one uses to see how life of people is becoming better, and how country is developing and progressing. From chart one can see that, once Musharraf resigned, Pakistan stop developing and progressing, plus people’s life has also became miserable … as electricity production and consumption is still or lower, but population is increasing]
Electricity production (kWh) in Pakistan
All above shows that since 2008, cause of most problems in Pakistan is ‘revenge of demon-cracy’ … that has brought in corrupt and incompetent thugs into power.
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
Should have known better than to bang my head on a wall. Where did I mention Punjab stealing electricity in my post? And ANP govt had a handful projects planned...none implemented. PTI has planned 300+ microhydel projects...a few are already in the works. that is, if you read anything other than jang group.
I simply stated that KPK is working on 300+ new projects despite already producing excess power. The hatred part was a figment of your imagination which is always in overdrive.
Feeling is mutual,
my wrong, i tried to reason with a PTIan
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This increase in tariff was matter of when and not if, and it is not going to stop here, there is going to be another increase and even by a miracle done by ISI, if IK comes to power, even he would be forced to increase the tariff…
to break this cycle, there is only one way out, shift the genco base to hydel and coal… and this will change the things in govt favors where govt can force their own tariffs to these IPPs..
as of now, these gencos are producing at 40-50% capacity, means we pay double the price at generation level… and cycle goes own… this govt, previous govt and the coming govt would have no choice but to accept their demands… otherwise there would be no power to start with…
So far NS govt have done nothing on ground, most of the things are on paper or adverts… but what they are saying if it is true then there is light at the end of the tunnel and if it is all media gimmicks then the light is of the train and we are dead…
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
Awam ko Nawaz Sharif k pair dhoo dhoo ker peeney chehyeen. Ager wazir-e-aazam “hidayat” na kertety tu bus kam tamam ho jata. I guess “govt” main sarey kaam wazir e aazam ki “hidayat” per hotey hain 
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
^^ Jab tariff maiN izafa kiya ja raha tha tu yeh lassi pee ker soo rahay thay???
in this news read between the lines, increase the tariff by other means... like mistakenly sending more reading etc...
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Sa1eem Bhai main aap ki efforts ki kiya tareef karoon.. magar yahan awaam agar itni paRhi likhi hoti to PPP aur PMLN ko vote hi kiyun deti… kabhi sochiye ga :hmmm:
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
Pti threatens protest, the hike is taken back. The delay in increase was also due to the sitin. Anyways PPP is still sleeping.
Re: Power tariff hike: Govt imposes 30 paisa per unit EQ surcharge
Pti threatens protest, the hike is taken back. The delay in increase was also due to the sitin. Anyways PPP is still sleeping.
But still logic of PTI sit ins is no where to be found a question by Noora ?