Can anyone shed some light or show some evidence (Quranic evidence only) as to why the Prophet shouldn’t be portrayed in films?
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Can you prove by Quran that pictures are allowed to begin with? 
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it is a known fact that prophet(pbuh) destroyed all images in the ka'aba [except those of Jesus(pbuh)]
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I never heard of the above in bold.
If that would've been the case, it should have been stayed as of this date too. And we know from the description of those who have seen Ka'aba from inside that it does not have it in there.
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^ I read it once in a biography ....cant remember which one ....maybe that image was returned to the Christians( I am just guessing) ....but the fact remains that ka'aba was cleansed of all idols and images including those of many prophets
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Salamvalekum Brother I have got a Authentic Hadeeth from Imam Bukhari and Sahih Muslim,
This Hadeeth was told 4 days before Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him expired,
"The curse of Allâh falls upon the Jews and Christians for they have made their Prophets’ tombs places of worship." Then he said: "Do not make my tomb a worshipped idol."
The above Hadith can be supported with views in the Quran not directing to the Prophet but you can percieve why potrayals are not allowed in any form, Chapter Nuh(Noah) 71: 23
**(And they have plotted a mighty plot. And they have said: You shall not leave yourgods, nor shall you leave Wadd, nor Suwa, nor Yaghuth, and Ya`uq and Nasr.') **
Below is the tafsir of the above verse,
Ali bin Abi Talhah reported from IbnAbbas that he said, "These are statues that were worshipped in the time of Nuh.'' Ibn Jarir recorded from Muhammad bin Qays that he said concerning Yaghuth, Yauq and Nasr, "They were righteous people between the time of Adam and Nuh, and they had followers who used to adhere to their guidance. Then, when they died, their companions who used to follow them said,If we make images of them, it will increase our desire to perform worship when we remember them.' So they
made images of them. Then, when those people died and other people came after them, Iblis approached them and said, `They (your predecessors) used to worship these statues and they were granted rain by their worship of them.' Thus, they (the latter people) worshipped them.''
The same Hadith is with respect to the above is more detailed.
These are the names of their idols which they used to worship besides Allah.
Al-Bukhari recorded from Ibn Abbas that he said, "The idols that were among the people of Nuh wound up among the Arabs afterwards. In reference to Wadd, it became the idol of the people of Kalb in the area of Dawmat Al-Jandal. Suwa became the idol of the people of Hudhayl. Yaghuth became the idol of the people of Murad, then the people of Bani Ghutayf at Al-Juruf in the area of Saba' worshipped it after them. Yauq became the idol of the people of Hamdan. Nasr became the idol of the people of Himyar for the family of Dhu Kala. These idols were all named after righteous men from the people of
Nuh. Then when these men died, Shaytan inspired his (Nuh's) people to erect statues in honor of them at their gathering places where they used to come and sit, and to name these statues after these men (with their names). So they did this (as Shaytan suggested), but these statues were not worshipped until after those people (the ones who built them) had died and the knowledge was lost. Then, those statues were later worshipped.''
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http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/saudi_arabia/mecca.html
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Martin Gray???
Not a reliable source for me..
Show me an authentic hadeeth.
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^ if you find one share it ...i will look too......i am not sure myself ...i just read it in a biography ...this dude is probably also quoting from the same source....
I think the distinction was made( if it was made) because the christians were protected people and pagans were not ...
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no, Quran does not mention any prohibition on such…
i think it even gives a detailed list of actors in different times wud be allowed for such a role…
it is recorded in history that originally Quran had a sample script and dialogues for the film as well, but over the course of the time that has been lsot to us…
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I have nooo idea what you just said. Sounds like there is no Quranic prohibitions on pictures then. Thanks, I have my answer.
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Can anyone shed some light or show some evidence (Quranic evidence only) as how many rakaa' I have to pray in Maghrib? Sounds like there is nothing mentioned about it in Quran. I think from today, I'll pray 4 rakaa for Maghrib, the more the better. Thanks, I have my answer.
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Does the freedom of belief of the Ahle-Kitaab override the prohibition against imagery, and especially imagery of Prophets?
One thing I noted is that the Sahabah, and later generations of Muslims, did not destroy or deface all the images and statues of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) and his mother that were common throughout the Christian lands they conquered.
The obvious exception was where Christian places of worship were converted into Islamic ones.
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Can anyone shed some light or show some evidence (Quranic evidence only) as how many rakaa' I have to pray in Maghrib? Sounds like there is nothing mentioned about it in Quran. I think from today, I'll pray 4 rakaa for Maghrib, the more the better. Thanks, I have my answer.
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Al-farooqi, why 4? why not 4000? :) I know that you could be just sarcastic here but believe me, many do think that way and regardless:
You should remember that Islam is a living religion from day one. It is not a dead religion nor it was ever a dead religion, even for a short time (a religion that has no practitioners) that there are something in its fard (obligatory) practices that are missing (because at one time there was no one performing it and thus either it got changed or lost).
Islam came to us in two ways. We know Quran and other is practices (rituals) that have no broken chain since the time of Prophet (SAW). Prophet (SAW) use to do 3 rikah in Maghrib, those who followed Prophet (SAW) prayed 3 rikah with him and after him (as that is what Prophet (SAW) taught them). People who came later learned the same from Sahabas and did 3 rikah fard in Magrib. Since the time of Prophet (SAW), not a single day has passed when people have not prayed Magrib (that also in congregation), and in all those Magribs they prayed 3 rikah fard.
Now, Quran is word of Allah that came to us through prophet (SAW). We believe on Quran as word of Allah because Prophet (SAW) said so, no angel came to us to tell that Quran is words of Allah. Allah also did not come to any individual to tell that Quran is from him. What we follow, we learned from Prophet (SAW). Same way we learned from Prophet (SAW) that in Magrib Allah wants us to pray 3 rikah frads, so what is your problem? Either have believe on Prophet (SAW) and pray 3 rikah fard in Magrib or leave Islam [because Islam (especially regarding fards) is not just doing what you like to do but following what Prophet (SAW) told us to do].
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Al-Farooq, while your sarcasm is obvious, it’s rather silly. OK, if it’s your contention that the Quran is incomplete because it doesn’t show us how to pray, please show me the hadith that shows you how many rakaas to pray. I will look forward to it.
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Picture of Prophet (SAW) is not allowed because any such picture would represent Prophet (SAW) that would be misrepresentation (as it could not be real him). On the other hand, for many, such pictures would become symbol of Prophet (SAW) and they would start taking as such (that would be fraud (dhoka) with these people).
According to many Hadiths, Islam does not allow hand drawn portraits. Scholars have given various reasons. I believe that Islam prohibits misrepresentation and any hand drawn portrait at best is just a resemblance of the intended person in portrait and thus a misrepresentation, hence not allowed.
As far as present day photography is concerned, they are not hand drawn portraits. They are true image of the person just like image in mirror or water that camera captures by natural means. Such Photograph use means Allah has created for the purpose and thus I believe that they are OK. These photographs portray image just like mirror, water or any shiny thing with difference that in photograph, those images are captured that can be seen even when object is not there, and nothing more.
Such photographs are NOT similar to making resemblances of person by drawing portrait of that person (misrepresenting that person) but are true pictures of person it portrays, something that natures see and captures as photograph (that happens due to chemical character in some substance, a miracle created by Allah that humans discovered). Thus, one cannot consider such photographs Haram (not allowed) but a phenomenon that Allah created as character in some substance for human use.
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also bring forward Quranic evidence that says that its prohibited to print Quranic verses on undergarments....
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I don’t understand this statement, what does “also bring forward Quranic evidence” mean?
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Saleem, very nicely put and explained, however completely lacking in reference. Are these your opinions? I don’t see any references. I can do the same thing without reference by making bold statements with no evidence whatsoever, “The moon is a cube!”
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The same Hadith is with respect to the above is more detailed.
These are the names of their idols which they used to worship besides Allah.
Al-Bukhari recorded from Ibn Abbas that he said, "The idols that were among the people of Nuh wound up among the Arabs afterwards. In reference to Wadd, it became the idol of the people of Kalb in the area of Dawmat Al-Jandal. Suwa became the idol of the people of Hudhayl. Yaghuth became the idol of the people of Murad, then the people of Bani Ghutayf at Al-Juruf in the area of Saba' worshipped it after them. Yauq became the idol of the people of Hamdan. Nasr became the idol of the people of Himyar for the family of Dhu Kala. These idols were all named after righteous men from the people of
Nuh. Then when these men died, Shaytan inspired his (Nuh's) people to erect statues in honor of them at their gathering places where they used to come and sit, and to name these statues after these men (with their names). So they did this (as Shaytan suggested), but these statues were not worshipped until after those people (the ones who built them) had died and the knowledge was lost. Then, those statues were later worshipped.''
Salam aahmed,
By the references on top are authentic, and with good sanad, thats the chain of narrations. By the way, in Quran and the above explanation its provides that Wadh, Nasr, etc where righteous people of Allaah, who practised, Islamic Monotheism.
But after they died, the people of ther generation, became, sad so Satan,whispered why dont you make pictures or statues ofthem. This led to associating partners with God for the future Generations.
The same is related even to our Prophet also. What happened to Prophet Jesus, they have made, portrays of him and his statues are worshipped.
See what a small picture could lead to. This was disallowed. If you want Magrib 3 rakahs will surely give you with evidence, Inshallaah, thats good attitude, dont follow anything blindly.