Porn Peshawar style

All this ultra conservative hullaballoo is quite interesting to see considering the frustration among the men of peshawar.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/15/international/asia/15STAN.html

In Pakistan, Trouble Looms for ‘English’ Films
By DAVID ROHDE

ESHAWAR, Pakistan — About a dozen young Pakistani men stood in silent clusters in front of the Shama movie theater on a recent night, doing their best to look casual. But when the box office opened, the rush was on.

The young men standing near the entrance surged forward and tried to slip in before anyone could see them. A few older men emerged from the shadows and darted inside. Stragglers arrived for the next 15 minutes, including one young man who held a scarf in front of his face as he entered the theater.

It was “English movie” night here in Peshawar, Pakistan’s conservative Islamic and famously anti-American city near the Afghan border. But for the next two hours, what appeared on screen had nothing to do with the American movies advertised outside.

First came three Indian music videos featuring curvy starlets with long, shimmering black hair, clingy shirts and, in one or two scenes, gently sashaying hips. An abrupt reel change later, the screen flickered with a series of Pashto-language stag films: Pakistani women in bathing suits and underwear gyrating, singing and taking off their tops.

But in the end, it was the Great Satan that delivered the night’s feature presentation: a hardcore 1970’s-era pornographic film starring an American bleached-blonde named Jennifer Welles.

Dubbed in German, the film opened with a lengthy conversation in an apartment that seemed to bore the packed gallery, which by now reeked of hashish. The plot quickly thickened. In a fast-paced scene set in a barn, two young women gave a returning Confederate soldier what could only be described as a hero’s welcome.

Outside the theater, a pleasant, middle-age man who identified himself as the manager explained to an American visitor that the evening’s bill had 60 minutes to go and that the theater also showed “Dutch, French and Spanish” films. He went on to suggest that a looming antipornography campaign here could prove a danger.

“If this closes, there will be more terrorism in their minds,” he said, referring to his patrons. “If they see these movies, they are satisfied.”

The manager’s concern stemmed from the electoral triumph last month of a coalition of six hard-line religious parties, which for the first time will control the provincial government here and hold 20 percent of seats in the national Parliament.

In addition to imposing Islamic law and driving American soldiers and F.B.I. agents from Pakistan, the parties have vowed to ban pornography and end Ms. Welles’s career in Pakistan. The nightly appearance of her and her contemporaries is one of the worst-kept secrets along the old colonial-era roadway called the Grand Trunk road.

While some patrons of the Shama theater seemed horrified by the prospect of discovery, one middle-aged customer with bloodshot eyes who appeared to be a regular happily defended the pastime.

“We like these movies,” the man said. “These people watching these films are doing everything, hashish, everything. They enjoy it.”

He and the manager argued that closing the theater would “do nothing” because pornographic videos and DVD’s are available across the city. “You can go to every video shop; they sell it,” the manager said.

Opponents of the religious parties also point out that previous crackdowns both here and in Afghanistan in the 1980’s and 90’s may have curbed “sin” but did not eliminate it.

Human vice has endured, liberal voices here say, as it has for centuries, with harsh penalties only driving underground activities like drug use, drinking and pornography.

Despite the substantial social taboo here, a sizeable number of people attend “English movies,” according to both supporters and detractors of the theater. Nearby shop owners and the theater manager estimated that at least 70 to 80 men attended each of its two daily screenings — about the number in attendance on this recent night.

“It’s mostly young men and some old men,” said Amin Gul, an 18-year-old clerk in a nearby photo-developing store. “Like 15- to 18-year-olds and men over 55.”

Mr. Gul and a half dozen other nearby merchants all strongly supported the drive to shutter the theater. One merchant simply said Islam forbade it. But others, echoing American parents, said pornography was something children should not see.

Pakistani observers say the recent success of the Islamic parties reflects a weary public’s desire to try any new system, including Islamic law, that might reduce the corruption, lawlessness, violence and poverty that spread in the 1990’s under the rule of secular, mainstream parties.

Many Pakistanis described their support for the ban on pornography as something that would help maintain social order, an idea with far deeper resonance in this long unstable country than in the United States.

“If it closes the cinema, it will be good,” Mr. Gul said, referring to the new government. “Our young generation will be safe.”

With the religious parties set to take control of the provincial government in the next several weeks, trouble appears to lie ahead for the Shama theater. But the manager said he knew exactly what he would do if the government shut down his nightly international film festival.

“We will go to New York,” he said.

Its not just Peshawar. Its rampant across the country, and cinema houses routinely advertise their porn features as "side show" in their posters and advertisements.

The excuse presented by one of the above mentioned patrons where he says, such activity keeps them away from terrorism, is essentially lame, since he doesnt realize how many folks does this activity drive to rapes and molestations, of girls and boys alike.

eww that's so gross. unko sharam nahin aathi?

Its a fact that anywhere there is to much govt control and to little stimulation, there is bound to be crimes like rape and molestation.
If our country were more liberal, there wouldnt be so many sex related crimes...

Peshawar is a city in a Muslim nation, compare to other Muslim cities including some in Arab countries it is a heaven. Wherever there is an opportunity there is an opportunist. Its not like these movies are produced and made by the people of Peshawar. Tourists who want to make cash on the fly or Pakistanis who come from western countries import these films in. In both cases, it is an exploitation of the people of that region.

This reporter makes it sound like it’s such a bad thing to do. If it really is, he/she needs to go close down a few of the strip joints from the few hundreds in downtown New York. Here is just another anti-Islamic reporter trying to force its own ideology on main stream public. The statement about “protecting them from terrorism” is so lame and pathetic that only true scums carrying a masters in the science of bias propaganda (like Nytimes reporters) can come up with.

Now, what really is a sorry sign of sexual frustration is when you have 50 million people who are HIV positive Chaltahai.

I always wondered why you were so arrogant, though one can’t blame you after knowing your information sources.

Its a fact that anywhere there is to much govt control and to little stimulation, there is bound to be crimes like rape and molestation. If our country were more liberal, there wouldnt be so many sex related crimes...

1 out of every 3 women in United States is either molested or raped (a recent report shows). Trust me, the liberal “thing” don’t work, there are examples to prove it to ya.

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*Originally posted by Pakhtuntura: *
Peshawar is a city in a Muslim nation, compare to other Muslim cities including some in Arab countries it is a heaven. Wherever there is an opportunity there is an opportunist. Its not like these movies are produced and made by the people of Peshawar. Tourists who want to make cash on the fly or Pakistanis who come from western countries import these films in. In both cases, it is an exploitation of the people of that region.

This reporter makes it sound like it’s such a bad thing to do. If it really is, he/she needs to go close down a few of the strip joints from the few hundreds in downtown New York. Here is just another anti-Islamic reporter trying to force its own ideology on main stream public. The statement about “protecting them from terrorism” is so lame and pathetic that only true scums carrying a masters in the science of bias propaganda (like Nytimes reporters) can come up with.

Now, what really is a sorry sign of sexual frustration is when you have 50 million people who are HIV positive Chaltahai.

I always wondered why you were so arrogant, though one can’t blame you after knowing your information sources.

Its a fact that anywhere there is to much govt control and to little stimulation, there is bound to be crimes like rape and molestation. If our country were more liberal, there wouldnt be so many sex related crimes...

1 out of every 3 women in United States is either molested or raped (a recent report shows). Trust me, the liberal “thing” don’t work, there are examples to prove it to ya.
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Well, actually that was my oppinion not Chaltahai, and second, its just an oppinion, you dont need to agree with it.
My point is that if the govt made this stuff legal, it would be easier to control.
And, you might be right, but I think that anywhere you have sexually frustrated people, people who cant find some sorta stimulation, you will find this sorta stuff.
Look at what happens is Prisons where men start raping men, why? Because there are NO women.
Ans I dont see a problem with being more liberal, people are going to do this regardless of whether we are or not. So why try to hide it and pretend to be so Moral, when the world knows where not. Atleast in New York this stuff isnt hidden behind a mountain of Hypocricy.
I think if these theaters were legal, it would be harder for them to run and easier for them to be controled.
BTW, I think you need to give some sources on that 1 out of every 3 American women data you gave...

To ber fair, there is a HUGE disconnect between this article and reality. Pakhtuns as a group a certainly more conservative and religious so these 'theatres' in no way represent the norm. It's a sub-culture just like any. To bring this up is fine but clearly the motivations here are to insult Pashtuns.

why are you all being jealous, let them have fun... after all heaven will be more porn than these movies. so they should be ready for it.

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*Originally posted by Jhankar: *
why are you all being jealous, let them have fun... after all heaven will be more porn than these movies. so they should be ready for it.
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DO you ahve any idea what you are talking about,,
you are comparing Heaven for such a thing,
Heaven will be awarded to only those who have done good deeds throughout there lives..
I dont know what made you give a statement like that..

All is forgiven for that statement…as I will see YOU in hell (from Heaven) :hehe:

Well Peshawar is a city compromised by many different ethnic groups. It used to be a centre for Pashtuns but over the years many different groups have come and settled in. To say that this one city is composed of some 28-30 million Pashtoons is like laughing in the face of logic. I’m sure our hindu friend here got the message in my first reply. There is crisis of frustration eating his people alive. It’s called AIDS.

Adnan, I know it was yours, I didn't considered it necessary to label your name next to it. Judging by what you are saying, we should let serial rapist and mass murderers do as the please since we can’t stop it we should allow it to happen? I wonder how much frustration was there before Indian movies and English movies hit the streets of Pakistan. If you have semi-naked pictures of Indian movie stars all over the cities then frustration will build up.

Try putting up posters saying “FEAR ALLAH” and watch what happens. ;- )

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To ber fair, there is a HUGE disconnect between this article and reality. Pakhtuns as a group a certainly more conservative and religious so these 'theatres' in no way represent the norm. It's a sub-culture just like any. To bring this up is fine but clearly the motivations here are to insult Pashtuns.
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so in another wordz you are tellin… they should be alowed to go around doin what pleases them-----------------are you muslim buddy…?[just curiuos] cuz you dont sound like one.

cuz in Islam we aint suppose to do such things-------now here :smiley: didn’t I make it simple for you.
oh na You dont have to thank me mate.

jhankar bi bi :eek: you excelled in uttermost stupidity by callin heaven a place full of porn-------it aint funny---- I hope I haven’t hurt yer feeling.

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*Originally posted by Pakhtuntura: *

Try putting up posters saying “FEAR ALLAH” and watch what happens. ;- )

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I will tell you what will happen. It will all go underground. It won't stop...it would just change appearance. Did you know that there was homosexuality and adultery and child pronography during the last islamic Khilafa.

I think it would be easier to control if it were legal… We are letting them go around doing tis stuff as we speak even though its illegal. They STILL do it.. To let them do this and then cover it up and say we dont, is being hypocritical. Perhaps you should be asking all the people letting this go on whether or not they are MUSLIMS not me. Were not SUPPOSED TO DO IT, but people are doing it regardless.
It would be much easier to control if it were legal.
Its like this, the kids that are fed a lot of candy as kids, dont pig put on it when they grow older. Those that are not allowed any candy, tend eat candy like pigs when they grow up.. Same applies to Sex and such. Lets be more liberal, and people wont feel the need to frequent porno theaters or indulge in illegal activity.

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*Originally posted by Pakhtuntura: *
Well Peshawar is a city compromised by many different ethnic groups. It used to be a centre for Pashtuns but over the years many different groups have come and settled in. To say that this one city is composed of some 28-30 million Pashtoons is like laughing in the face of logic. I’m sure our hindu friend here got the message in my first reply. There is crisis of frustration eating his people alive. It’s called AIDS.

Adnan, I know it was yours, I didn't considered it necessary to label your name next to it. Judging by what you are saying, we should let serial rapist and mass murderers do as the please since we can’t stop it we should allow it to happen? I wonder how much frustration was there before Indian movies and English movies hit the streets of Pakistan. If you have semi-naked pictures of Indian movie stars all over the cities then frustration will build up.

Try putting up posters saying “FEAR ALLAH” and watch what happens. ;- )

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Yaar, im not saying let rapist go around doing what they want...
Im saying, the reason Pakistanis are flocking to porn theaters and commiting other impure acts is because our society tries so hard to suppress natural sexual urges. You can put up "fear Allah" POSTERS ALL YOU WANT, but people obviously arent going to stop what they are doing. The fact that Pakistan is briming with religious rhetoric from corner to corner, and yet porno theaters, alchol, night clubs still continue to exist, tell us that fear of Allah does not make people more pious. Instead, I think we should become a little more liberal, a little more practical, allow people more liberties. This will go a long way in changing the society for better.

If we make these theaters legal for example, we can tax them heavily, we can force the ones that dont comply to shut down completely, blacklist those people that are not complying. Force these people to face the society. I think this is the best way.

Concept of eternal life, heaven among those people is 70 women, or 100 women, and sensual, and rivers of wine. And the most important thing is that man will sleep with these 70 or 100 women each day, and the next day they will turn to be virgins again.
I have even heard that they will have male lovers there... what kind of imagination is that???? Isn't heaven suppose to be a spiritiual place to worship God.

what about women?? what is the reward for them?? i mean how many men?

Hoors (beauties of heaven) will be full-breasted and free of menstruation (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:225).

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Concept of eternal life, heaven among those people is 70 women, or 100 women, and sensual, and rivers of wine. And the most important thing is that man will sleep with these 70 or 100 women each day, and the next day they will turn to be virgins again.
I have even heard that they will have male lovers there... what kind of imagination is that???? Isn't heaven suppose to be a spiritiual place to worship God.

what about women?? what is the reward for them?? i mean how many men?

Hoors (beauties of heaven) will be full-breasted and free of menstruation (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:225).
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I was actually wondering the same thing myself... Maybe you should transfer this question to the Religious section.

Bull S***

At least men of peshawar are releaving themselves .........Where as INDIA Carries the banner of the disease AIDS , cause men in india are releaving each other ....so CH stop releaving ur indian brothers and learn something from peshawari Men :)

PS :sorry for the spelling mistake , they are intentional, to make indians understand I had to use the indian spelling of "relieving" which is releaving.

:hehe:

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Bull S
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At least men of peshawar are releaving themselves .........Where as INDIA Carries the banner of the disease AIDS , cause men in india are releaving each other ....so CH stop releaving ur indian brothers and learn something from peshawari Men :)
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Hey Pooty: Is releaving like leaving and then leaving again? What can I learn from Pathans? Let's see.....nope...the circle jerk is all for you guys. Have fun!!!! :)