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do yer fingers get najis for typing the word? 
Thank u for a reasonable response, wish more ppl did the same.
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as far as I know they can trade Pork. The eating of Pork is forbidden but not the selling of Pork
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did any one answer this? muslims allowed to trade pork, think its a no, but if im wrong someone pls state so and give the proof too
(i hate going through long threads)
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It is very much obvious from the logical perspective of Shariaā that anything that is forbidden to consume, the trade of such thing is also forbidden at allā¦
As far as things made out of the skin or hair are concerned, there are two different opinionsā¦ One states that if the blood (which is haraam) is cleaned from the skin thoroughly, the stuff made out of such is OKā¦ while the other opinion states that Skin is part of ālaāhmā - the meat, and hence is as Najis as meat. All opinions taking in consideration the criteria mentioned in Quran that is blood and Flesh of Pig being haraam.
May Allah:swt: guide all of us. Aameen.
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so the skin of it (the pig) is haram too? right... if u do all that stuff to it that your supposed to do?
ok jhazakallah khair for answering other thing, thought so too
2 opinions.. which is the stronger?
reckon the skin's ok.. rmbr reading a hadith somewhere cant remember if its about bout the pigs skin though
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Anwaar, running a brothel is allowed in Islamā¦Because it hasn;t been spelled out in the Quran specificallyā¦
Also, the making, selling and providing alcohol is also Halalā¦Its prohibition is only in the Hadith and we know Hadith are fabricatedā¦
Also, providing a place for gambling and gamblers is alos Halal in Islam as there is no definite ban on it in the Quranā¦
And donāt bring in your logic in Islamā¦Er, I mean, bring your logic in Islamā¦Er, I mean, Islam is a logically illogical religionā¦If there is a way that logic comes from me, then its logical but the logic of someone who is a scholar is not logic so that makes the Haram allowed and the allowed Haram depending where the logic is coming fromā¦
So, if I am selling pork which is Haram to consume, to someone who does not consider it it Haram then I am doing the Halal thingā¦Same as in prositution, alcohol, drugs, gambling, interest e.t.cā¦I can provide it, but I canāt consume itā¦
So basically Muslims should step into the 21st century by allowing all these things to continue and leave the interpretations of the scholarsā¦They have a habit of stopping people from doing what is allowedā¦
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:O
where's your proof that these things are allowed?
do you reject hadiths??... if u do.. then allow u, u is a kaafir
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listen dont try playing mr sheikhul islam with ur fatawa of letting these things be allowedm, you talking from you hawa (desire) sorry but we follow quran and sunnah and from quran and sunnah what you have stated we find these things being prohibited.. we hear and obey.. in quran it says if u obey the messenger u obey Allah, dont care about integratin with the kufars and trying to mold islam to make it like other false ideologies and it look pleasing 2 u kufars
islam is perfected and complete as it is and its our whole way of life
if these things are allowed, then prove that they are wid ayaat and hadith please, dont want ur logic here... only quran and sunnah :)
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As a Muslim, why would you want to own something that is Haram to begin with? Something which is impure whose touching prevents you from offering your obligatory duties, why would any Muslim in his right mind think about it?
If you are talking about boars, then the farms of Pakistan already have wild boars that roam through the fieldsā¦If the farmers see them, they usually kill them, if not, then notā¦
And scavenge for what?
You do however know that it is impure and its touching is impurityā¦You canāt pray if a pig has touched your clothes unless you wash those clothesā¦
No, there are others who do not seek the guideanc eof scholars for preconceived notionsā¦(Which I also had, but later found out were part of my pre-Muslim days)ā¦I now realize how important their lakeer ki faqeeri isā¦Islam would have long perished were it left to the likes of meā¦
Is the consumption of siht Haram? How about touching it, does it still make it Haram? No, itās Najis the same as pig, but that doesnāt mean I should frolic in it unless I was in the business of collecting sihtā¦And I place pig herding in the same categoryā¦
Yes, my distates may not be Islamic but they are founded in Islamā¦I have a distaste for pigs, alcohol, gambling and sihtā¦So, while I may have a distaste for fecal matter and you may not, though inconsequestial to you, doesnāt deny the fact that it is Najisā¦Or dirtyā¦
BTW, the lakeer kay faqeer scholars are divided over the issue, however majority are of the opinion that tanned leather, even from pig is permissibleā¦
Whether one does it or not outof distaste is a matter of personal beliefsā¦
In India, thousands of Muslims and Hindus went on a rebeliion against the British Raj because of their use of pig and cow fats in bulletsā¦
If Hindus can have enough faith to disengage themselves from a supposedly distasteful act, then surely, as a Muslim you must have some sort of self respect to avoid the distastefulā¦
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What I said was very Kafir oriented, I understand your point since you are new and donāt know me as wellā¦
However, the Quran and Sunnahās knowledge is with those who have studied it their entire livesā¦
And many donāt trust themā¦
Itās like trying to figure out the judiciary without the help of a lawyer who explains to you the various clauses and by-lawsā¦
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lajjo
distasteful is not haram. thats the point. lets not get our personal distastes parade around as religion. Our collective distastes or affinities for certain items, thoughts and conceps have made things like honor killings tolerable. The exercise here is to take a step back and understand that while we may have personal feelings and want to be careful about certain things, we have to be specific in saying that it is our personal views or we want to be extra careful, but that is not clearly spelled out in religion.
you running to examples like brothels and tpuching **** and what nots is an exercise that you are engaging in to support your own distastes. It however does not give a scholarly opinion on whether or not it is H A R A M.
why someone would want a pig on their farm or on their land or whatever is not a question, so touching it is najis, and so u can clean yerself, but that is besides the point. I dont see anything with a 100% proof that making use of pigskin is haraam. In that case one can own herd of pigs and make items of pigskin, kinda like we do with snakeskin..even though we dont eat snakes.
Trying to put me down is not answering the question.
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kidher gaye sab ?
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As far as I know some products from pigs are halaal because they are needed medically, ie. hearts for transplant, heart valves, insulin. I remember these being discussed on this forum. The opinion then was that it was OK to use these products.
In order to obtain these products, someone needs to keep some pigs, feed them, slaugter them.