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heyyyyyyyy
my huqqa is weed free.
If that what you ment.
Other wise you are more then wellcome on my huqqa sitting brother.
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That is the whole point of being a muslim. You submit to Allah SWT i.e. meaning you obey what he has commanded you. You can question things for understanding what good is in it however the greatest good is your obedience to Allah SWT. Allah SWT said don't eat pigs. So don't eat them. Yeah you research as much as you want but then that means you really don't have faith in what Allah has commanded you. Now you can research from two perspectives i.e. to understand some reasons why it may be forbidden; the other to find ways to remove those reasons which you may find harmful. Now when Allah SWT forbid muslims to consume the flesh of pigs he did not mention why, no reasons are specified. Just a simple command to stay away from it. So when Allah will judge you Inshallah, I don't think there will be room to reason on this one because Allah did not leave it open ended as in the case of alcohol, where it was also mentioned that its harms outweigh its benefits meaning in certain cases it may be used if its benefit is greatly needed. To me the pork issue is simple obedience to Allahs command, not for us to reason our way of it. Now yes, if you are starving to death in say some dessert area and a pig comes along then you can slaughter it and consume to save your yourself but this is an exceptional scenario and this line of reasoning is well defined in the Quran and Sunnah. If you are not in that situation your not going to die or become handicapped if you don't consume pork. In a situation where it doesn't matter if you choose to disobey Allah SWT then you need to re-consider your understanding of what submission to Allah SWT means.
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I like double apple man.
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Mods we need a non-smoking zone in Gupshup.
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hey smokers have right as well.
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Huh!!! This idea should go up in smoke.
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i dont think the initial post asked about pork being halal or reasons why it is haram. it just asked if one can trade pork..pig being nature's best scavenger, why cant farmers have the pigs as scavengers, dunn mean u have to eat it, dogs help with cattle dunn mean u eat them.
some ppl dont even want t say the word "suwaar ..or pig, its a filthy word per their reasoning. That too seems a little too much.
u just cant consume the animal..rest is people's own viewpoints
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some ppl dont even want t say the word "suwaar ..or pig, its a filthy word per their reasoning. That too seems a little too much.
u just cant consume the animal..rest is people's own viewpoints
I don't think we should trade any haram thing......nor we should give any haram thing to a non muslim......Allah made some things haram for the mankind not only for the muslims.
As muslims we know that this particular thing is haram for all humans....so we should'nt trade or give non muslims haram things.........
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^ its haram to eat, not to own.
its not haram or bad to say the word.
is there however a real issue with having pigs at a farm if you are not going to eat em? if you owned some wooded land with wild boars, and if you could would you have an issue making money in allowing boar hunting? (licenses and permits aside).
is it wrong to use things that use pigskin? is it wrong to engage in manufacturing somthing that uses pigskin, or to be a tannery or to be a broker for that?
I think we go overboard when it comes to pigs. I understand the reasons that t is forbidden (aside from a couple of goofy ones that are even posted n this thread) and dont consume pork, dont offer it to anyone.
but if you look at the broader question that i was asking ..it was around other uses of this animal , aside from being a food source.
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no answers :)
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Is is OK to run a whorehouse provided you don’t indulge in doing the act yourself? Or is it OK to be a pimp if you are not directly involved in the trade? How about selling Heroin? Or how about the seargent on a motorcycle in Pakistan who sits away from his subordinate and allows him to take bribes and yet takes a portion of it…
Fraudia Ji, I know you are not into asking scholars for their opinions regarding doubtful matters, but a little common sense in Islam is always permissible and appreciated…
Why would you trade in something which has been deemed Haram to begin with? The idea behind ‘Haram’ is to decrease its effect, not increase it by becoming a part of it…
Apart from your boar hunting idea, provided you had land that big, using and touching stuff made from pigskin knowingly, for me at least, is like reducing myself to the sum of my distastes…
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I don't know the exact wording of the hadith, but there is a hadith that shows that selling and buying anything haram is also haram, it's not limited to alcohol, but anything haram.
One simple way to justify it is from the ayah: "*oh you who beleive enjoin the good and forbid the evil" *
We shouldn't promote haram things and by selling something haram you are really condoning it and allowing other people to do haram. Although you sell it to non-muslims, pork and alcohol and still haram on them even if they don't beleive it.
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Sorry i didn't read everyone's response, someone might have already said my answer.
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Is is OK to run a whorehouse provided you don't indulge in doing the act yourself? Or is it OK to be a pimp if you are not directly involved in the trade? How about selling Heroin? Or how about the seargent on a motorcycle in Pakistan who sits away from his subordinate and allows him to take bribes and yet takes a portion of it...
is owning a pig allowed if you dont intend to eat it? is having pigs as scavengers on a farm okay if you are not going to eat it.
quit runnign around and making comparisons that are not valid. I am not talking about engaging in selling pigs or pork for consumption.
I think u either missed that on purpose
Fraudia Ji, I know you are not into asking scholars for their opinions regarding doubtful matters, but a little common sense in Islam is always permissible and appreciated...
I am not the only one here who is not into asking scholars it seems because there are lakeer kay faqeer who lack the ability to think beyond what they leant in th grade islamiat. yes common sense is important...and so is giving straight answers, or admitting thay oe does not know the answer :)
Why would you trade in something which has been deemed Haram to begin with? The idea behind 'Haram' is to decrease its effect, not increase it by becoming a part of it...
haram to eat...for consumption..
is it haram for anything else... answer the question instead of dodging it.
Apart from your boar hunting idea, provided you had land that big, using and touching stuff made from pigskin knowingly, for me at least, is like reducing myself to the sum of my distastes...
Lajjo Baita.. your distatses are not Isalm fortunately. So I am not interested in the least in what your likes or dislikes are, they are very inconsequential to me. What is of interest is whether it is right by religion to use pigs for other reasons than consumption, whether things made from pigskin are actually 'haram' and not just cnsidered 'haram' because certain groups feel so.
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By Islam we can not make something halal that is haram, but at the same time we can not make haram something that is halal.
So here are a few simple questions, would appreciate a yes or no answer with some explanations and the research behind it, (more than just sum of anyone's distastes)
1) Can one have pigs if one is not planning to eat them, e.g. as scavengers on a farm
2) Is it Haram (note I specifically used the word haram) to use items made of pigskin?
Please come back with real answers to these questions with some supporting proof. If you cant manage to do that, bow out gracefully and admit you dont know.
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^ more intelligent than other responses on this topic so far. and that says a lot
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Quran calls "lehm-ul-khinzeer" (meat of pig) as najis (dirty) and asks muslims to not eat it. That much we all know and this pretty much all of us understand and hopefully comply religiously (no pun).
To the best of my knowledge, no additional guidance regarding relationships with pigs is provided in the Quran. Not 100% sure if there is anything else in ahadeeth either. Many people in Pakistan believe that if you utter the name pig ("souar"), your tongue becomes najis for 40 days. Don't know if it applies to typing too. Hope not.