Salaam.
A few days ago I was listening to a lecture by Dr Zakir Naik, in which he suggested that a man doesn’t really have to get permission from the first wife to take a second wife. I was thinking if anyone may know the rationale behind this claim and if there is any Koranic verses or authentic hadeeth which support this claim. I am not doubting the Dr am just generally curious.
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why wud one need anyone's permission to marry another woman????
except the woman who he is going to marry of course....
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I don't think you understood. Say if I was married to a women, and then a few years later I wanted to marry another women I wouldn't need to get permission from the first women. i.e the first wife.
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**read Sora nisa **u ll get answer clearly
Allah give right to men if he can affored more then one wife then he can without permission from her first wife ..if he has any fear that he cant manage balance between wifes then its better he shud stay with one
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^ She gave the answer right on.
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For a whole host of reasons, from adversely affecting the financial situation of the family to causing friction between husband and existing spouse. In any case, it makes good sense.
Needless to say, since Shariah is silent on it - it can swing either way...it can in fact be enforced by the state if a social problem is perceived, or by marriage contract if a women fears mistreatment. So the question is moot to a certain extent.
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Allah give right to men if he can affored more then one wife then he can without permission from her first wife ..if he has any fear that he cant manage balance between wifes then its better he shud stay with one
Well everyone assumes he can treat all wifes equally. I personally believe I can, although if my first wife was loving and was apposed to be taking another wife then I would take her opinion into consideration.
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sorry....but that's one aspect of islam that i can't accept. If for whatever reason my husband married again, I would have to resort to divorce. Granted there are legitimate reasons for marrying again (like if you can't have a baby), that's fine....but i would take myself out of the equation completely.
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Why though? love is not something that can be exhausted. It doesn’t run out. So a man can love more then one women at the same time, if there is attraction there.
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the Prophet (saw) says that marriage increases a person's rizq hence saying that due to financial matters a wife can stop her husband from re-marrying wud be refuting the saying of the prophet (saw)....
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What is the source of the hadith?
As it runs contrary to another statement that everyone is born with a certain amount of rizq for their life (and hence die when their rizq is over = time for the end).
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First off its Quran Shareef
I do not understand where on earth men have this notion they have permission to remarry up to 4 times. Oh gosh you knuckle heads pathetic souls it states clearly –First off this – This was mentioned after Jage Badar [correct me here guys]. At that moment there were very less men and a lot of women with children who needed to be taken care of. Once you do have 2 wives you cannot have even a inch difference between both of them. You must treat each equally you will be reliable for tons of duties for both of them. Its not a joke.
As far as I am concerned! My husband better ask for my duplicate even up in Jannah otherwise we will have issues.
In today’s world usually one man is not fully committed to one wife how on earth he can have a second one.
korisn- i have similar feelings myself......I would rather spend my entire life all by myself instead of sharing my husband with someone else :~) -
by the way the way you guys bring yourself just even here on gupshup i hope thats not the real side of you. Otherwise i wont be surpries if you dont even get the first wife
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First, the sustenance is from Allah...and does not translate to money falling from heaven.
And actually, it doesn't refute the saying. If a man's sole reason for taking an extra wife is his carnal desire, and as a result of it his finances get depleted and can't provide for his first wife as he did prior to the marriage, then it's simply his act that is refuting the saying. Take it up with that guy...
A wife can stipulate that she be maintained in a particular manner. Such stipulations will be based on her social status and standing. What you invoke was said at a time when multiple marriages was an act of charity, not a luxury. Many of us don't live in those circumstances. Many of us do. So your point is taken, partially.
Needless to say, most major schools recognize the right of a women to stipulate that her consultation be sought before a husband take a second wife, and can make it grounds for divorce. So, point is moot...
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^ no where does Quran or hadith say that a man needs permission from his first wife to marry again....
and some even say that such a statement in the pak's nikaahnama is against religion....
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by the way the way you guys bring yourself just even here on gupshup i hope thats not the real side of you. Otherwise i wont be surpries if you dont even get the first wife
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What makes you think the 1st wife will usually know this "side" in the first place?
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and some even say that such a statement in the pak's nikaahnama is against religion....
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What makes suicide bombing halal when suicide is haram in Islam? ;)
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^ if u ask me, suicide bombing is as haram as suicide.... ;)
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Then why does it happen?
It is even funnier that it is being accepted and made halal by al-azhar and saudi universities (the countries that have billions of dollars worth of defence budgets and suicide should be last option for them).
It is important as many of pakistani "islamists" think being arab wannabes gets you into heaven with 72 virgins...
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Yaar, this issue has been discussed mnay times but it again comes up. I don't know why people of other faiths (and some Muslims too) are so obsessed with polygamy in Islam.
O bhai, Islam has many other injunctions, many other aspects. why everybody picks up these topics selectively?????
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and some even say that such a statement in the pak's nikaahnama is against religion....
Correct. Nor does it say that a women can't opt out of a polygamous marriage. Bro, this isn't a one-hadith issue...
Yes, there are some who say it goes "against religion", but then there are other traditionalist scholars who take the stance I presented. The latter tend to be more influential.
So, to recap (again):
-Shariah does not require a man to seek permission from a spouse to take on a second wife. So, those marriages are valid.
-If a wife stipulates that she will not remain married to a man (or indeed, even wants the right to divorce in general) in her marriage contract, the stipulation is valid.
-Not every stipulation is valid, of course, namely a wife-to-be cannot make the divorce of an existing wife a condition for marriage, or demand the Husband perform non-Islamic acts. But then, the stipulation suggested above does not do either.
-The second and third points renders the question moot.
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issues like sex with a slave,polygamy in islam,suicide bombings allowed or disallowed one shahadat of a man equals to two shahadat of a woman.But we cant find and answer and the ullema have different views on these topics specially suicide bombings.
Muslim countries like turkey and tunisia have place a ban on polygamy.turkish is a secular country tunisia a one party republic but how can they implement such a law that is against the shariah and where they have majority of muslims.How far these countries can go to prove their secularism ??