Polio vaccine is American plot: Mullahs

With such jihalat, one can only wonder how some Muslims can find the time to blame America for our problems when the real problem is very apparent. These Muslims will remain absent from this thread.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\02\16\story_16-2-2007_pg1_6

Polio cases up as clerics malign vaccination

  • Rumours leave children unprotected
  • Aid workers increasingly targeted by militants

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: The parents of 24,000 children in northern Pakistan refused to allow health workers to administer polio vaccinations last month, mostly due to rumours that the harmless vaccine was an American plot to sterilise innocent Muslim children, The Guardian newspaper reported on Thursday.

The disinformation - spread by extremist clerics using mosque loudspeakers and illegal radio stations, and by word of mouth - has caused a sharp jump in polio cases in Pakistan and hit global efforts to eradicate the debilitating disease, the newspaper said.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) recorded 39 cases of polio in Pakistan in 2006, up from 28 in 2005. The disease is concentrated in North West Frontier Province (NWFP), where 60 percent of the refusals were attributed to “religious reasons”.

“It was very striking. There was a lot of anti-American propaganda as well as some misconceptions about sterilisation,” said Dr Sarfaraz Afridi, a campaign manager with the WHO in Peshawar.

The NWFP government made strenuous efforts to counter talk of an “infidel vaccine”. Health workers fanning across the province last month were equipped with copies of a fatwa (religious order), endorsing the vaccinations and signed by Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the leaders of Pakistan’s most powerful religious parties. The move reassured many doubters.

Although only 24,000 children missed the vaccine, the WHO officials said failure to vaccinate in small pockets of the country gave the virus a fresh toehold to spread.

The vaccination struggle is entangled with the confrontation between the government and powerful militants in the tribal areas. Refusals were highest in areas where conservative clerics and self-styled “Pakistani Taliban” fighters hold sway, flouting government authority and making their own strict laws.

Almost 2,000 children were not vaccinated in Bajaur, a tribal agency on the Afghan border. In nearby Swat Valley, a young firebrand cleric, Maulana Fazlullah, denounced the polio campaign through a local FM radio station. Almost 4,000 children were not vaccinated in Swat.

Imran Khan, of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said: “Some people feel they are under attack here … That is clouding their attitudes.”

Aid workers fear they are being pushed into the frontline of the struggle between the government and tribal militants. Last weekend a grenade was lobbed into a Red Crescent compound in Peshawar, damaging vehicles but killing nobody. Cleric Mufti Khalid Shah declared a fatwa on employees of the UN, WHO and all other foreign organisations. “Killing their employees is in line with the teachings of jihad in Islam,” said a notice. Recently aid workers in Bannu were threatened with death.

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Soon we will be back to stone age! Increasing number of mullahs everywhere!

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This is very dangerous. And needs urgent action from Musharraf. Though i am sure he will not do anything about it, coz vaccine or no vaccine does not affect US, so Musharraf will damn care.

This practice of not vaccinating kids not only affects the kids who are not vaccinated but also the kids who are. Even the vaccinated kids will be at an increased risk of this illness which can leave a kid disabled for life.

There is something called “herd immnunity”. Means that if most people in a community are immune to polio virus, it will also protect people who are not immune, coz there chances of coming in contact with virus are much reduced. Not all vaccinated kids develop 100% immunity against disease, hence masss immunization protects kids who may not be 100% immune despite vaccination. Leaving such a large number of un-vacinated kids means, other vaccinated kids who have not developed full immunity are also now vulnerable.

This is a matter of public health and not individual choice and hence gvernment should step in and even use force if necessary.

By the way its not just MUllahs of NWFP who refuse vaccine, many rednecks too are doing same thing.

http://www.nsba.org/site/doc_sbn_issue.asp?TRACKID=&VID=55&CID=1151&DID=31446

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2005/salmon_vaccines.html

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/513925

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^^

It is ridiculous to suggest that the government should use force. The government can't even get these communities to agree to register the foreigners in their midst, let alone force needles to be stuck into these children!

Nonetheless, as the article states, the polio outbreaks are predominantly concentrated in the areas under control of the "Pakistani Taliban". A polio epidemic would actually work in the government's favour and thus in these communities long-term favour.

If an outbreak develops and most the children of these communities are crippled for life by polio, they will be completely ineffective fighters when then grow up.

This will make it much easier for a Pakistani military operation to seize and enforce control, including vaccinating future generations.

And these communities would have only themselves to blame for the outbreak and their crippled generation, as they chose to believe their own mullahs rather than the truth coming form Musharraf's federal government, as well as the local provincial government of the MMA.

It's nfair to make a blanket statement syaing that the mullahs are opposing the polio drive. The article makes it clear that Pakistan's two most prominent mullahs, Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed, are both issuing fatwas endorsing the polio vaccination drive.

Frankly, Rehman and Qazi should personally go with health workers to these villages.

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hey america is the biggest bogeyman for resisting all kinds of healthy stuff, from polio to female health workers to iodine mila namak. people will risk all sorts of stuff on the odd chance that america wants to do something about the up and coming superpower Pakistan and will resort to tainting the medicine/foodsupply to make sure the population rate goes down.

these arent the thoughts of taliban mullas in nwfp, our very urdu speaking household smack in the middle of pakistan's biggest city didnt have iodine mila namak 'just in case'. im pretty sure many people in urban areas must not get vaccinated too.

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In Karachi too many people refused to take governement vacciantion! Instead they did their own one! Reason - the same one - allegations of infertility compound mixing by the governement.

But most of the people in Karachi used National's idoized salt!

Interestingly when a roti plant by the governement started selling rotis in the 1970s in Karachi, same accusations were made against the governement of that time that those roties were being mixed with anti-fertility substances!

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Colonel Walter E. Kurtz: I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn’t see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember… I… I… I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized… like I was shot… like I was shot with a diamond… a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God… the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men… trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love… but they had the strength… the strength… to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral… and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling… without passion… without judgment… without judgment. Because it’s judgment that defeats us.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078788/quotes

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I don't mean to use force to bring kids to vaccination centres, but to use force against Mullahs spreading falsehood.

And if an epidemuc spreads it will not be limited to these areas. People from tribal areas freely move to other areas of Pakistan including NWFP, Karachi, Punjab and Quetta. The disease can spread in all these areas. And as i stated above even the vaccinated children will be vulnerable.

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The only way to combat this idiotic trend is for pakistanis to come out and educate people and create awareness of this problem - that the vaccines are harmless and are beneficial to anyone who takes them.

Until they hear another Pakistani telling them that the rumors are false, they wont believe it from anyone else.

Any takers?

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people are very risk averse when it comes to things like that.

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they're idiots.. Americans wouldn't waste such high tech cocktails on them.. they keep the exotic stuff for their own population.

The mullahs can rest assured.. if the authorities say it's Polio vaccine.. it IS polio vaccine.. and who knows.. diluted too by the desi contractor who may have had to be involved for one reason or the other.

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yea there was this pretty bad case of fake vaccines being used in karachi. godless aholes.

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Shoot the jaahils, eradicate stupidity in Pak. :2guns:

Some areas in Pakistan can be so stupid and backward, ufff, it’s embarassing aswell as frustrating.. :grumpy:

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^some areas even in US do the same stupidity and Jahalat.

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Time to make more “peace” deals with Taliban!

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\02\17\story_17-2-2007_pg1_2

Official leading polio drive killed

  • Remote-controlled roadside bomb injures three others

By Masood Khan

KHAR: A senior government official was killed on Friday when a remote-controlled roadside bomb exploded in Salarzai, a village about 50 kilometres northeast of Khar, the main town in Bajur Agency, when he was returning from a jirga (tribal council) to convince people to immunise their children against polio, local administration officials said.

The blast killed Dr Abdul Ghani Khan, chief surgeon at the main government hospital in Bajur, at the scene and injured three others in his car, the officials said. One of the injured is critical, they added. “The surgeon was killed and three others injured in the blast in the Salarzai area at 3:30pm.”

Dr Amir Khan, medical superintendent (MS) at Khar District Headquarters Hospital, said that residents of Mullah Said Banda in the Salarzai area had earlier refused to get their children vaccinated against polio and added that Dr Ghani was visiting the area to allay misperceptions about the vaccination. “The locals had also warned polio teams against visiting the area,” the MS said.

Paramedic Hazrat Jamal, who is one of the three injured in the explosion, said that the residents of Mullah Said Banda were against the polio campaign. “As soon as we reached there, an armed prayer leader warned us against visiting the area. Some locals said: ‘On one hand, our enemy (a reference to the United States) is bombing us for no reason while on the other hand you are coming here disguised as polio campaigners to spread vulgarity,” he told Daily Times at the hospital.

No group has claimed responsibility for the explosion, but local tribal militants are suspected to be behind the attack. The Friday’s attack is the second since February 5 when a pro-government elder was killed in a similar fashion.

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True true... Bush and his kind (texans, rednecks) are a prime example.. Difference is they have the means to cover up their Jaahiliat and even glamorise it, as they say in Punjabi "Jinhaa*n* de kar daaney onhaa*n* de kamley vi siyaaney".

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Please dont call such people Muslims. These people are on US payroll.

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Gb, so far youve just about blamed the US in everything you posted, from the recent Quetta bombing to this, can you also tell us, whether this guy who died was also on US payroll?

Official leading polio drive killed
* Remote-controlled roadside bomb injures three others

By Masood Khan

KHAR: A senior government official was killed on Friday when a remote-controlled roadside bomb exploded in Salarzai, a village about 50 kilometres northeast of Khar, the main town in Bajur Agency, when he was returning from a jirga (tribal council) to convince people to immunise their children against polio, local administration officials said.

The blast killed Dr Abdul Ghani Khan, chief surgeon at the main government hospital in Bajur, at the scene and injured three others in his car, the officials said. One of the injured is critical, they added. “The surgeon was killed and three others injured in the blast in the Salarzai area at 3:30pm.”

Dr Amir Khan, medical superintendent (MS) at Khar District Headquarters Hospital, said that residents of Mullah Said Banda in the Salarzai area had earlier refused to get their children vaccinated against polio and added that Dr Ghani was visiting the area to allay misperceptions about the vaccination. “The locals had also warned polio teams against visiting the area,” the MS said.

Paramedic Hazrat Jamal, who is one of the three injured in the explosion, said that the residents of Mullah Said Banda were against the polio campaign. *“As soon as we reached there, an armed prayer leader warned us against visiting the area. Some locals said: ‘On one hand, our enemy (a reference to the United States) is bombing us for no reason while on the other hand you are coming here disguised as polio campaigners to spread vulgarity,” he told Daily Times at the hospital. *

No group has claimed responsibility for the explosion, but local tribal militants are suspected to be behind the attack. The Friday’s attack is the second since February 5 when a pro-government elder was killed in a similar fashion.

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**@Spock: **I agree that it might seem I want to say all thats going wrong in Pakistan is due to the West. But again, much of it is.

You'll know what I mean if you get a bit of touch of Psychological Warfare.

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^ So this doctor who was trying to convince people to get their kids vaccinated and ended up getting killed was an American agent? Do you know humari kaum taraqi kyoon nahee karti, because we keep blaming others for our problems.