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I have a question.

From what I have seen nowadays , it doesnt go down very well with most of us if anyone tries to give us reference from Quran/hadith on certain aspects of life. We start call them the moral police and point at them that they have a “holier then thou” attitude. Should we do that? Should we not thank them for giving us the knowledge , instead of telling them that they should look at themselves first?

Perhaps uncosciously we dont want them to stop us .. and we believe that our faith and religion is between Allah and us … however do we conveniently forget that its the same Allah who has told us that he will reward us for keeping eath other on the right path… :hmmm:

Why is this attitude of shunning a good word/knowledge becoming so popular?

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I think everyone sees flaws in others. So when A says to B I don't agree with you doing XYZ or states why XYZ is wrong, B gets defensive because he sees qualities in A that should be sorted out before he goes round lecturing others.

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Even if you dont use religion and just use morals/common sense, people will complain about being too judgmental.

I've been on both sides, so...uh...yeah.

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I think we shouldn't advice anyone (except our close relatives) unless they ask for it. And we can never be 100% sure about us being right and them being wrong, there's always a possibility.

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wow.

I could be worst criminal BUT still know physics.. TOO hard to comprehend ???????????????????

I can be non practicing muslim YET know how things supposed to be DONE...

Ladies for one last TIME we are answer able to GOD not to me and you or to society.

Seriously go convert to islam.. shabash.....

things are worst then I thought.

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Perfectly put. Along with what hareem said.

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Well without criticism and judging its really hard to improve things . But its true that its really hard to take criticism . I think its always good to voice your opinion and definitely helps are some level .

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People come from all walks of life, they have different views and different basis for these views. Some people put their egos before Islam and some put Islam before their egos. So what if a person is trying to post his/her view in light of quran and hadith, is he some jahil from the 7th century??? (that's the message I get from some on this very forum), they put you down just cuz you show importance to religion before anything. I smell insecurity, that's all it is.

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Btw to those who find me annoying (they know who they are), I know I'm not a good muslim, so don't label me as "holier than thou" kind, cuz im not. Just like others who post their views, I post mine. If that annoys you then I can't help it. I admit I'm sometimes rude (or all the time), I've put my ego before Islam too, I am a jahil, I don't know anything but PLEASE let me learn my deen!! Don't stop me from learning whatever little I can. Just put me on your ignore list if you don't like my posts, nobody is forcing. And no I'm not Taliban. :)

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Intention and tone of the adviser counts a lot. If they do have holier than thou tone then the advice does not register in my brain, but if they say that with love and humbleness, then why not, I may thank them for that.

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I agree with this. If I am in need of some advice or I am misguided, I don't mind if the other person tries to direct me to the right path by using religious examples... but their tone is very important. There are some people who become so zealous in their advice, they will call the other person a sinner or will make the other person out to be the worst Muslim ever and that's not right.

Also, if someone feels they have the right to give advice whether or not it involves religious examples, that same person should also be willing to listen to advice when it comes back to them.

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How to take an advice is the question and a great question CB by the way.

There are some golden rules I think we should follow:

1- Think about what is said and not by whom it is said.

2- Take the advice with some suspicion that you might be wrong before accusing other being holier than thou.

3- Sort out in your mind why other person even has to give you advice.

4- A total stranger may even be sincere to you.

5- A completely close person like a relative may not be sincere to you but you must give all the benefit of doubt to a relative, friendor or companion.

6- Relative, friend, stranger, you are free to do whatever you feel is correct. But you may not be a great friend to yourself either.

People hurt themselve more often than others bring harm to them.

So being paranoid/shakki/suspicious is not a healthy attitude when someone gives an advice.

Lastly, I wrote this sincerely and not showing I am holier than thou… :hehe:

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I think too often a Quran or Hadith quotation is used to end a discussion, to close things off, to limit what we do or say. I feel it is more productive (and welcome), when it is presented so as to open up discussion and to invite insights and questions.

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You can't deny the fact that a lot of us on here have strong faith in Islam...afterall all those rules, halaal and haraam were written down for a reason...not just for us to read on our free time and then forget about it...after all, if your a Muslim, you believe in Hell and Heaven, and all isn't forgiven just because you half heartedly ask for forgiveness (if even that much), and then continue to break more rules...

Those discussion close off generally with Quran and Hadithes, because, what is their left to say? If your not Muslim, then do whatever you want, there's no point in asking any question - the world is yours. Have the premarital sex, be a gay person, marry the non Muslims, eat the pork, drink the alcohol, consume the interest...it doesn't matter- there; no point in even asking...

If you are Muslim , then those rules in the QUran and hadith matter, and it has significance for you and how you conduct your life. After all the the Quran and hadith are the foundation to why you call yourself Muslim.

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:smack: I thought this thread was a roll call for me… oops.. i’m going then :whistling:
Dont call the police if you dont need to! :aj:

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Shoving your deen down other people's throats, judging others on the basis of what you believe is right, being rude and impolite while waving and swinging the sword of righteousness, being impolite and rude, and habitually jumping around like your pants are on fire - if that doesn't qualify for ignorance I don't know what does. You know who you are.

Offering advice with or without reference to Quran and hadees in a polite and civil manner is a separate thing, and I am sure nobody minds that. To give an example, I don't think I have ever seen anyone reacting negatively to say psyah or submission to peace's advice. A little courtesy goes a long way.

If all the holy books and scriptures, and tafseers and lectures couldn't teach you basic courtesy, its a clear indication that you can't/don't follow what you preach. Hence your advice weighs not more than a dirty sardar ji joke. Just my opinion.

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^ Nicely said. Bohath khoob :cobra:

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:hula:

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Great topic CB!

I agree with Jaanwar on this. Lectures on morality coming from a hypocrite annoys me to no end, but well-intentioned and well-delivered hidayat is appreciated - each of us can benefit from the good intentions of others - it's the condescending attitude that I find off-putting.

On the other side of the argument, there are many, many comments that I see floating around here by posters on their actions that leaves me shaking my head and I'm tempted to point out the wrongness of the other person's action. But I always refrain from doing so because I feel that my imperfect practice of my deen doesn't give me standing or the right to criticize others.

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Brother,

Tell me few things. Why is when word islam come out of my mouth I have to perfect my self first? Like a sufi or some thing?? What is all that holiness business ??
How come I can talk about other social and natural issue with out being perfect, BUT when it comes to islam I need to be saint my self before I can open my mouth??????

I am a student of the subject. And I do observe stuff.

Now please speak for other ppl too, and tell Why is that make every one so uncomfortable???

I am by all mean 100 time more sinful and filthy then any one on this board. But I am still able learn with out getting uncomfortable.

ps: And please don't disrespect your intelligence by using generic terms like "judgemental" "righteousness"

PS2: I learned islam by hating it for a long time.

All I am saying is don't get into some metal cave when word islam is used. out of 100 ppl there will be atleast 2 ppl who wont be using this to their advantage.

Its not ANY ONE'S job to baby sit you into islam... believe it or not.. its yours....

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:k: I have come across people who have waved their finger at me while giving me religious advice… very rude and that advice becomes meaningless to me. Then they’ll do a quizzing session, “What did Aisha/Fatima (ra) do when… ?” I’m not on Jeopardy, nor are you my professor!! They’ll say, “You need to ask for forgiveness! You are sinning!” But when I give religious advice to the person in a polite manner, they get offended as if they can do no wrong, throw sarcasm, and walk away. :smack: