http://www.dawn.com/2003/04/15/top5.htm
Makhdoom Javed Hashmi’s knowledge of history seems to be 0000. Nawaz Sharif was creation of Zia-ul-Haq. How come he blamed father, founder of PML-N. All politicians with the exception PPP, who are now condemning Generals or Military once they were instrumentals of the same Generals in toppling of elected PPP governments of ZAB and BB. It is too late they have learnt the lesson after they became victim of the same fate.
FARID
Farid there is a very good article written by Ayaz Amir on the subject, of how Muslim League over the years has been the most faithful handmaiden of the Generals. they have also tried to be facile critics when they (or one of thier splinters) were out of favour.
Don't forget when the General removed ganja from his kingdom Budnazar was the first to congratulate the khakis for job well done...
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Don't forget when the General removed ganja from his kingdom Budnazar was the first to congratulate the khakis for job well done...
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Now the wait for this general to be removed has also started...
As for PML(N), they are nothing more than a bunch of lotas. The fact that Nawaz Sharif was Zia's creation still remains, so these are a bunch of lost words from the PML(N) to gain sympathy from the people of
Pakistan, who are already sick and tired of Musharraf.
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Now the wait for this general to be removed has also started...
As for PML(N), they are nothing more than a bunch of lotas. The fact that Nawaz Sharif was Zia's creation still remains, so these are a bunch of lost words from the PML(N) to gain sympathy from the people of
Pakistan, who are already sick and tired of Musharraf.
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I guess Bud will do wonders AGAIN that is if she ever comes back...
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I guess Bud will do wonders AGAIN that is if she ever comes back...
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Who is this she you are referring too... Learn to read properly, I had no she in my post. And if youre referring to that BB character, Im not obsessed with her like you are... Besides, she history anywayz...
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Who is this she you are referring too... Learn to read properly, I had no she in my post. And if youre referring to that BB character, Im not obsessed with her like you are... Besides, she history anywayz...
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So being one of the great democrats who do you support... sick and tired of musharraf... That I agree with since forex are touching $11B tax collection is up almost 50 percent after all loot has to start sooner or latter don't you agree....
BTW neither are history its just a matter of time.
somebody forgot to post this news also:
http://www.dawn.com/2003/04/14/top1.htm
Opposition slams ruling parties
By Our Staff Reporter
ISLAMABAD April 13: The opposition leadership on Sunday lashed out at President Musharraf’s supporters for promoting the view that he should continue as COAS and that the LFO had become part of the Constitution.
They said uniformed generals in politics had severely damaged the image of Pakistan army.
Speaking at a function presided over by the PML-Q Vice-President Lt-Gen Abdul Majid, the acting president and parliamentary leader of Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz), Makhdoom Javed Hashmi blamed army generals for the Kargil “fiasco” but the price, he said, was paid by the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif.
Responding to a question from the audience he said that after the bloody clashes with the Indian army in Kargil, the three services chiefs sought an emergency meeting with the former prime minister Nawaz Sharif at the Governor’s House, Lahore, and admitted that they had committed a “misadventure” in Kargil.
Then, they requested Mr Sharif to take all necessary steps to save them from the impending embarrassment even if it meant visiting the United States. As a result, Mr Hashmi added, the Washington visit of the premier was finalized.
On the prime minister’s return Gen Musharraf called on him and saluted him for achieving a ceasefire, Mr Hashmi added.
The PML leader also charged that the present regime headed by a military general had agreed to share command and control system of Pakistan’s nuclear technology with the United States which, he said, would gravely hurt Pakistan’s interest and army’s prestige.
He recalled that the partyless assembly of 1985 had defied the then military ruler for 38 days forcing him to agree to a number of amendments in the constitutional package, whereas, he lamented, the majority in a party-based assembly was supporting Gen Musharraf.
Referring to the information minister’s recent statements with regard to Indian threats of war he warned, "these war threats by India were being hurled on the behest of United States which had made a triangle with Israel and India in the region.
Deputy secretary-general of Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal, Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, said the alliance was determined to continue talks with the government on the LFO and the issue of president’s military position.
He said that the MMA component parties were part of the opposition and will remain so.
He alleged that the information minister’s statements were aimed at sabotaging the process of dialogue since he was afraid of being stripped off his ministry after Mushahid Hussain and Nisar Memon were elected to the senate.
PML-Q vice-president Gen Majid called for forging unity in the ranks of the nation, and strengthening the economy to face the challenges ahead.
Whoever forgot to post opposition news, was well aware of following news.
Sheikh Rashid blames opposition for constitutional deadlock
ISLAMABAD: Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said here on Tuesday the country is facing a serious constitutional deadlock and an emergency meeting of the Cabinet and the PML-QA parliamentarians is likely to discuss the volatile political situation and evolve a new strategy to deal with the defiant opposition inside the Parliament.
He was addressing a press conference in his ministerial chamber in the Parliament after the opposition parties staged a protest in the National Assembly against the Legal Framework Order (LFO), and did not allow the House to run accordingly.
The minister said after the attitude of the opposition parties on Tuesday, he would request his party leadership to immediately call a meeting of the Cabinet and the PML-QA to revise its strategy to address the emerging volatile situation.
He said the government would ensure smooth running of the proceedings but for this purpose, the government would be required to devise a new strategy as the present strategy was not working.
Replying to an objection raised by the opposition camp that the session of the National Assembly was actually clear violation of article 56-3 of the Constitution as the president had not formally inaugurated the new parliamentary year, he said this was not the real issue.
He did not agree to a reporter’s concern that the opposition parties were alleging that the government was only negotiating with the MMA while rest of the two major opposition parties like PPPP and PML-N were being ignored.
He said PML-QA parliamentary leader Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain was continuously in contact with the opposition parties to discuss the issue but so far no positive result could be achieved. The minister criticised the hostile attitude of the opposition parties in the Parliament, saying they should make a difference between Parliament and a roadside procession. He accused the opposition parties of pursuing their personal agenda that would not serve anyone’s interests in the Parliament.
Rashid said it was clear from the hostile attitude of the opposition parties that they were not serious in the running of the parliament in line with true democratic traditions.
i fail to understand one thing.....people oppose the PML(N), nawaz sharif and his govt.....theyre even termed lotas....fine i agree
but what about chaudhary shujaat hussain, mir zafarullah khan jamali, parvez elahi and hundreds of others in the PML(Q) and in the govt
whered they come from?
they were all with nawaz.....arent they lotas?havent they looted the pakistani public?
infact, Jamali saahab had cases against him with the NAB after the coup.....what happened to those? and what about the other ppl in Nawaz's govt like shujaat hussain n parvez elahi.....how come theyre not exiled or punished?
the answer is that musharraf used them to destroy PML(N) and in return they get what they want.....a position in the government
most of the PML(Q) came from nawaz's party
This is “real democracy” by Musharraf.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/april-2003/19/main/top5.asp
Musharraf is my boss, says Jamali
From Shaiq Hussain
ISLAMABAD – Prime Minister Jamali Friday said that President General Pervez Musharraf was his boss and he felt no hesitation in admitting this reality.
Addressing a press conference at the Parliament House on Friday he said General Musharraf was an elected President and everyone was well aware of this fact.
He said that President Musharraf was his boss and he was not ashamed of this fact. To another question the Premier said that General Musharraf was elected and allevated to the Presidential slot for five years and he needed no parliamentary approval.
For all it's flaws( and it has many) I still say PML9N) is cleaner now then PML(Q). The party people have been loyal at the very least. Lotas have no honour and can never be clean
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This is "real democracy" by Musharraf.
Under the constitution of Pakistan the head of state is the president....hence the prime ministers boss...your venom against pakistan is so strong you don't even bother to check the truth
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So being one of the great democrats who do you support... sick and tired of musharraf... That I agree with since forex are touching $11B tax collection is up almost 50 percent after all loot has to start sooner or latter don't you agree....
BTW neither are history its just a matter of time.
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I dont give a jack about your stats showing forex touching your so called skies... Go and look what the price of petrol, anaaj is touching... Look at the number of people who simply cannot afford all this, its rising, and thats the only figure thats truely touching the skies. Unlike you, I dont just dance around with the news of all that foriegn aid coming in, I know the plight of my people, and how they are suffering.
As for tax collection... These words dont mean anything... They are quick to collect tax from the hard working govt employees. Do you think that the big fish are paying the tax? In case you didnt know, these businessmen literally laugh at the govt's tax collection policies, but you probably wont know anything about it, just because your uncle mushuraf said everyones paying the tax now. As for your love for the present democracy, did you hear Mr. Jamali say he works for Musharraf, who happens to be his boss? Im not up for that kind of democracy, probably you are. 98% referundum results? Im surprised how you all fall for these shows.
Btw, learn to carry out an argument first. You were first trying to say I am a support of BB... Now the only thing left for you to do is to post some IAF crash statistics, the only things you can really do with some degree of success.
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Whoever forgot to post opposition news, was well aware of following news.
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PT, only you would give serious thoughts to the words of a person like Shiekh Rashid aka Sheeda Talli... (sighs)...
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I dont give a jack about your stats showing forex touching your so called skies... Go and look what the price of petrol, anaaj is touching... Look at the number of people who simply cannot afford all this, its rising, and thats the only figure thats truely touching the skies. Unlike you, I dont just dance around with the news of all that foriegn aid coming in, I know the plight of my people, and how they are suffering.
As for tax collection... These words dont mean anything... They are quick to collect tax from the hard working govt employees. Do you think that the big fish are paying the tax? In case you didnt know, these businessmen literally laugh at the govt's tax collection policies, but you probably wont know anything about it, just because your uncle mushuraf said everyones paying the tax now. As for your love for the present democracy, did you hear Mr. Jamali say he works for Musharraf, who happens to be his boss? Im not up for that kind of democracy, probably you are. 98% referundum results? Im surprised how you all fall for these shows.
Btw, learn to carry out an argument first. You were first trying to say I am a support of BB... Now the only thing left for you to do is to post some IAF crash statistics, the only things you can really do with some degree of success.
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Don't beat around the bush boy here is a little high light for you.
Mush v ganja/budnazar
Forex $10.5B v $400M
Exports 10.5B v $8.5B
FDI $1B v $150M
Growth 4.5pc v 2.5pc (6+% projected 2004/3005)
Tax collection up 50 pc
Stock market from strenght to strength
swiss accounts nil v billions
And there are quite a few more
According to independent sources the whole mess was due to ganja and bud and I am quite happy with these financial indicators thank you very much. And if you are not then pelase don't waste bandwidth as these little numbers may mean JACK to you but lot to me and quite a few other guppies too. And yes I have quite a few family members living in Pak and do get the updates first hand. Other then that if you have anything to add apart form ranting and ravings please proceed.
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Under the constitution of Pakistan the head of state is the president....hence the prime ministers boss...your venom against pakistan is so strong you don't even bother to check the truth
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When did Pakistan's government system change to a Presidential system? You are misinformed. We have a Parliamentary system where the President is merely a ceremonial head of state. It is the Prime Minister who is boss.
http://www.circa-uk.demon.co.uk/xpage260.html
Head of state
The 1999 coup did not entail any change in the nominal position of head of
state. The head of state is a President, elected by parliament. The present
incumbent, Muhammad Rafiq Tarar, was first elected in December 1997,
and sworn into office on Jan. 1, 1998. The president’s term of office is five
years.
it seems your misinformed…prime minister enjoys the executive authority however the head of state is the president…
Spock...it would be nice for you to research how the price of petrol is determined before blaming the government... the price is determined on the international market...where cartels such as opec have sway.... the GOP can't do anything about it.....as for price of anaaj...if it were to be subsidezed...do you know of the huge ramifications...allready...pakistan has to decote as high as 5% of its budget to subsidization programs.... the lowering of interest rates ...should give a major boost for farmers so that they can purchase fertlizer at reduced costs....by the way...during BB and NS's regime's the inflation rate in Pakistan was in the double digits....that cannot be corrected overnight....if the government goes after inflation it will tip pakistan back into recession...hence there has to be a fine balance...which I belive they are achieveng....rather then subsidizing they are trying to increase supply...which will force deflation.....but it can't happen overnight...you must wait atleast 4 years for full policy effect and then you can critisize if you don't like it.....
Ceremonial head of state. The Prime Minister does not act as the Vice President does in America. He makes the daily decisions that affect the country. The President attends functions and cuts ribbons. This is how it is supposed to be according to the parliamentary system that Pakistan has.
But in our case, the unelected President is the boss of the elected Prime Minister.