PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Agree that its a one way yo register your protest.

But,banning youtube is not a solution, many people still can use proxy website to view youtube , and many other can learn to using proxy website(server). To err is human being and people are addicted to such portals. So, people cannot terminate their accounts or stop using these portals voluntarily, but we have to implement some enforcement as all other fields implement. Our govt should task IT officials to implement content filtration strategies so that people cannot view such contents in either way.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Muqawwee, i agree that temp banning is one way of registering protest. But you should consider 'banning' as a tool instead of a solution. There is a lot of negotiations and other planning goes on with it. We all know that govt has banned YT as a knee jerk response under peer pressure.
Your govt will soon enough unban it and that will not only make pak govt look like a fool but it will also make google and other people's resolve stronger.
Eventually banning information is a bad idea. you really have to tread carefully in these waters.

PS. why cant they get creative and instead of banning , tell youtube to make certain links unavailable in pakistan, and until that happens YT cannot make any AD money from pakistan.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

I understand that the video is disrespectful but it wouldn't have gotten so much attention if Muslims didn't throw such a fit. Its like you deliberately want to be a mockery of the world.
Yes, of course you can get angry that some bigot decided to make a film and uploaded it on youtube but there are tons and tons of other racist/ignorant and horrible youtubers out there.
Why are you acting as if this is so new? If other people can ignore it then why can't you?

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

This has been a practice to remove cartoon page facebook but they simply reply that, "We carefully reviewed it and it does not voilate our terms and conditions"

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

do you live in USA?

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Good, it mean they are listening. So whatever youtube wont make unavailable, your IT dept (PEMRA or related) can do it internally for pakistan.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Agree. Its just a way to register protest. One thing that should be considered while considering psyche of protestors is that they are surely not protesting after watching the video. A normal Muslim won't opt to watch video, if he/ she gets chance to watch that.

The point of protest should also be why such inflammatory material is regularly uploaded on such sites against Muslims? The way of protest should never be violent. Muslims should promote real and soft image of Islam and Muslims to counter such regular attacks.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

No, I don't but I really don't understand. I looked it up I watched about 3 seconds of it and closed it because it was disgusting. Muslims are already under a lot of scrutiny right now why make it worse for yourselves..?

Pakistan can be like China and ban youtube permanently just like china bans facebook.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

I have watched it , but couldnt watch it for more than 5 minutes. it is wrong to call it a movie, it is just a youtube skit. bad acting, bad direction, poor editing and voice overs etc etc. even lollywood movies have better production quality.
for whatever it is worth, the guy who played muhammad is a young handsome lad who kinda looks like jesus.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

This is not applicable to Pakistan; they are trailblazers and we are laborer of IT industry and we did not contribute to world IT industry so far other than reinventing the wheel. China and Iran dare to teach them a lesson but they first develop their own social media portals and information search enjoins. Our govt/opposition’s focus is to make democracy "strong enough" so that corruption can be saved. govt , legislatures and lawyers are ignorant of cyber laws and Legal aspects of computing industry. That’s another reason we could not present our case technically sound. Therefore, we are dependent on such giants

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

If the video does not 'violate' Youtube rules it does violate 2+billion muslims sentiments, it insults a religious figure. Rules are made to accommodate audiences all around the world.

There are no 'leaders' in a mob protest, simple as that.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Insults are a part of Freedom of Speech.

I watched the video. I abhorred it. But it didn't make me question Islam or any tenants about it.

If Muslims will get insulted watching the video, then why click on it?

I don't understand that part. No one is forcing them to watch this video.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

I see, I guess hate-speeches are welcome too?

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

But question is why such material is being uploaded on regular basis against Muslims and their religion, when uploaders and site owners know that what would be the reaction of Billions Muslims?

Why don't such sites implement policies against instigation of religious sentiments? Human rights activists probably don't know that human rights just don't include availability of physical facilities, it also includes peace of mind, which gets disturbed when something baseless is propagated against someone's religious leaders.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

lol yes
it might bruise your ego but they aren't telling people to cut up the next Muslim or throw them into a cage.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

:hmmm: Lets say there are fundamentalists in Muslim society. what percentage they form of total Muslim population.. 5%? 10% 20%? Does any action by those minority, give rights to the hate mongers to attack sentiments of remaining majority Muslims?

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

This how authorities of west react when it comes about their own religious figures. And how should Muslims respond.

http://www.islamicvoice.com/April2006/QuestionHour-DrZakirNaik/

Ruling for Blasphemy in Islam

Q. How should Muslims respond to the recent controversy, which erupted out of publishing 12 caricatures of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in one of the Danish newspapers? What is the ruling for blasphemy in Islam?

A. A Christian surveyor, Professor Edward reported in the TIME Magazine of April 16, 1979 that in a span of 150 years, from 1800 CE to 1950 CE over 60,000 books have been written against Islam. It works out to more than one book against Islam everyday.

Today there is virulent propaganda against Islam in the international media, in international newspapers and magazines, on radio broadcast stations and satellite TV channels. A section of the media is attacking Islam, and this has reached epidemic levels especially after eleventh of September, 2001.

This is not the first occasion where the media has been used as a tool to malign Islam.

On the 30th of September 2005, one of the Danish newspapers (Jyllands - Posten) published 12 defamatory caricatures of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) which included images of the Prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse and showed him as a knife-wielding nomad surrounded by veiled women. These drawings were later reprinted on January 10, by a Norwegian evangelical newspaper “Magazinet” in the name of defending “free expression”. These sparked boycotts and demonstrations against these acts throughout the Muslim world. Islam prohibits any depiction of the prophet (pbuh), even if it is done in the right spirit, as such images could possibly lead to idolatry.

**Recently, an interesting article appeared in the ‘Guardian’ (weekly newspaper of the UK) on Monday, February 6, 2006. Three years ago in April 2003, a Danish illustrator Christopher Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ, to Jyllands-Posten. However, the cartoons of Christ were turned down by Jyllands-Posten on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were surely not funny. **

**A British historian David Irving was recently given a three-year sentence on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 in which he was accused of denying the Holocaust. (The Times of India, February 24, 2006). The report urges us to contemplate why is “freedom of expression” conveniently forgotten when it comes to topics that may hurt a section of this world?

**
With regards to how should Muslims respond to this sort of defamation against Islam, broadly, I can classify the Muslim response into six different categories.

  1. Replies via the Media

The first way is to reply via the media i.e. using the same tool, which is often used against us. Replies can be in the form of letters, articles, pamphlets and books, which can be sent to newspapers and magazines and posted on the Internet. Appearances on satellite TV channels and giving public lectures in order to present the correct picture of Islam are also another possible way. Common non-Muslims throughout the world have become victims of a section of the media and its propaganda. One cannot blame a common non-Muslim for being against Islam unless we Muslims clarify their doubts and remove the misconceptions prevalent in their minds. It is the job of every Muslim to respond to allegations against Islam and clarify misconceptions.

  1. Peaceful Protests and Demonstrations

There can be peaceful demonstrations or protests in the form of a congregation. A large number of Muslims can march to parliament house and protest against what has happened. Muslims can also give a letter to the embassy of that particular country and request the Prime Minister to take action against the offender.

  1. Filing a Legal Suit

We can even take legal action against the defamer in his country or file a case in the International Court of Law if the nation where the act has taken place is condoning the act. We can sue the offenders by pulling them to court, which is one of the good ways of preventing such things from occurring in the future.

A striking example in this respect can be cited of CAIR (Council on American - Islamic Relations), which is the largest Islamic civil liberties group in the U.S. In 1997, CAIR succeeded in shaking down Nike when they filed a defamation suit objecting to a pair of shoes manufactured by Nike, which had a design on the heel similar to the Arabic word for “God”, Allah. However, there was an out-of–court settlement and Nike not only publicly apologised but also agreed to give several million dollars to the Muslim community, which were spent to build three playgrounds at Islamic Centers in the United States.

  1. Economic Embargo

The fourth strategy is to put an economic embargo, a very effective weapon aimed at weakening the economy of any country. Muslim countries can get together and apply economic or business pressure against that country if it continues to publish defamatory things. It is advisable to boycott certain goods if we know that boycotting products of that country can create a huge effect on the country’s economy. During the gulf war, a few countries in the Middle East boycotted American products and caused a big loss to the U.S. If a section of the western media has “freedom of expression” then we Muslims too have the freedom to use or abstain from using a product. Say for example if the western countries wish not to procure oil from the Muslim world, it is their choice for which we cannot compel them. Similarly, if the Muslims do not want to buy products from a particular country, it is illogical for anyone to have any objections to their decision.

  1. Political Pressure

This takes place on a higher level i.e. between political authorities of countries. The leaders of different Muslim nations can apply pressure on a political level. The Muslim governments can withdraw their ambassadors from that country and shut down its embassies as part of a political boycott, if they refuse to give a public apology and do not stop defaming the Prophet (pbuh).

  1. Moderate Force

The sixth strategy is to carry out demonstrations using a limited amount of force. As far as the first five strategies are concerned, no Muslim or non-Muslim can have any objections. If there is freedom of speech then we Muslims also have the freedom to reply in the media, to participate in peaceful demonstrations, or take legal action seeking punishment or compensation. We can even boycott goods or apply political pressure since it’s a matter of personal choice.

**The punishment for blasphemy in most of the major religions is death. It is
stated in the Old Testament of the Bible, which is the authority for both the
Jews and the Christians:

**And he that blasphemeth the name of the
LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly
stone him: [Book of Leviticus 24:16]

Moreover, if we read Manusmriti,
the Law book of the Hindus, it says:

“If a man born of a lower class
intentionally bothers a priest, the king should punish him physically with
various forms of corporal and capital punishment that make men shudder.”
[Manusmriti 9:248]

Regarding the punishment for blasphemy in Islam,
it is mentioned in the Glorious Qur’an:

“The punishment of those who
wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might for mischief
through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and
feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this
world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;” [Surah Al-Maidah
5:33]. In Islam, a person who has committed blasphemy can either be killed or
crucified, or his opposite hands and feet can be cut off, or he can be exiled
from that land. On the other hand, in other religions there is no other option
except capital punishment. Islam at least has four options of punishment for an
act of blasphemy.

In spite of all the negative propaganda in a
section of the western media, ironically Islam still happens to be the fastest
growing religion, not just in the west but also across the world. The more
people try to suppress Islam, the more it will prevail. Allah (swt) will make
His Deen (Islam) to prevail over all the other ways of life irrespective of
people mocking and ridiculing His messengers. As Allah says in the Glorious
Quran:

“Mocked were (many) Messengers before thee; but the scoffers
were hemmed in by the thing that they mocked.” [Surah Al-An’aam
6:10].

(Readers can send their questions to Dr Zakir Naik on his
email: [email protected])

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Yeap. They are part of freedom of speech.

Don't like it. Don't click on it to watch it.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

What do you mean on a regular basis?

First was Salman Rushdie in 1989, then the Danish Cartoons in 2005 and now this video in 2012. That is a regular basis?

The reason these people made this video and uploaded it is because they wanted to elicit the reaction that muslims currently are doing.

I watched the video, I didn't get disturbed. I didn't feel like going out and burning American Flags, attacking American consulates or attacking Americans.

The people who are rioting need a reason to riot. They will use any and every excuse to attack people who are different than them.

Overall, I watched this video. It didn't force me to question my devotion to Islam.

The West doesn't have Blasphemy Laws where 12 year old Christian Girls with Down Syndrome are sentenced to death for burning papers with Arabic Text on them, or when a poor village girl is Gang Raped on orders of Tribal Cheifs like Mukhtar Mai, or when a Governor who is against these Blasphemy Laws gets killed by his BodyGuard and people are cheering the assassin as he is brought into court.

That offends me more as a muslim than that video.

Re: PM orders immediate shutdown of Youtube services

Who says freedom only means enjoying rights? Freedom comes with responsibility. Responsibility to respect others sentiments. Freedom of speech may be best virtue in the world, but when it hurts others sentiments by fowl propaganda then such freedom is the biggest evil in human society.