Please give me some advice!

Hello everyone!

So I need your advice! I met this guy and he is 28 years old, and he is an engineer by profession (he graduated with his degree in states) and is currently doing his MBA and has a good job Alhumdiallah. We live in the same city and I met him through my sister.

He has been divorced once, couple of years back and has a green card which he got through his ex-wife, but he told me that is not the reason for their divorce. He said they had a huge age difference and she lied to him all the times and the girl’s parents were not supportive of their marriage even though it was arranged because they expected a lot from him financially back then so they got divorced. They were married for 2 years but only lived together for 5-6months according to him.

We both share the same religion but he is a Punjabi and I am Urdu speaking. His parents are in Saudi and he is looking to apply for citizenship and bring them here soon, inshallah. Currently, he lives with his brother and SIL and is waiting to get married so he can move out and get his own house. He is looking to get remarried soon because he does not want to wait too long until he is thirty. When he spoke to my sister as a friend, he told her he was looking for an educated girl from a good family but not older than 24 and I am 25. My sister never mentioned him to me because she didn’t want me to consider a divorcee and thinks I can do better.

Anyway, all of us ended up hanging out one day and he later texted my sister saying that he is interested in me and would like to get to know me. Now my oldest sister, who also knows him, was already upset with him because his mom wanted to talk to our mom to see if she knows of any girls younger than 24 looking to get married. My sister thought that was rude of her to ask because in my household we are three girls and I am the youngest and she is oldest and none of us are married yet. Anyway, so when he told my other sister he wanted to get to know me, she told my older sister, and my older sister made a huge fuss about it saying he is very rude and that is not the right way to do things, he is your friend and he was eyeing your sister and she went on and on. She told my other sister to ignore him and never talk to him and told me to avoid him as well. Well this guy kept messaging my sister asking her if she is mad and he is sorry but she ignored him, so he messaged me and I ignored him for sometime but then I felt bad so I responded and told him the situation. He said he would like to get to know me without getting my sisters upset so I agreed.

We have only been talking for a week and half and I really like him, the only problem is that both of us dont want to continue the relationship in a non halal manner, and he wants to get married within the end of this year and I am okay with that.
He does have certain conditions though, like I cannot wear sleeveless or skirts, or he would prefer that I speak in Urdu in the house and I am okay with that. He said he is focused on building a family and would like me to have a kid within the first 6 months to year of our marriage, and I am not sure if I should be okay with that because I have a career and I know after becoming a mother my priorities will have to change. I asked him if I can work after I have a kid and he said yes that should be fine after a year or so with the baby.

Now the real problem is that I dont know how to bring him up to my parents. Is it too soon to even mention him? I dont know how my sisters will react because they told me not to talk to him and I still did. In my family the youngest cannot get married before the oldest is married but my oldest sister is 29 and she is having a hard time finding someone and because of that my other sister and I are sitting at home getting older. I have had rishtas come for me but my mom has rejected all of them because she says the oldest has to get married first because if I get married before her the oldest one will be embarrassed and will never be able to get married. I dont know what to do about this mentality because my mom does not realize that because of that, the other two are getting older and then they will have a hard time finding rishtas.

As far as my background, I am 25 years old and I have a reputable degree and a good career and I am always getting proposals from guys but I didn’t consider them because I just can’t seem to trust anyone, but this guy seemed different. In the past I was in a long term relationship but it didn’t work out for me because the guy was extremely possessive and didn’t think logically. He had this mentality that “I dont care if I have job or not, If Allah wants me to live it will happen” which didn’t make sense to me because that is not how mature people think. He became very stubborn and always tried using Islam in his defense and never used logical thinking. I was in love with him for 6 years but I knew my family didn’t approve of him because we fought so much and I had to let him go. I am still in the recovering process of letting him go and he still bothers me with phone calls and texts and I can’t stand it because I dont love him anymore, I hate him for harassing me like this.

I know this is a very long post but I really need advice. Should I consider this new guy or am I just moving too fast? I just dont want to wait around and end up in a non halal situation. And if I do consider him, what is a good way to bring him up to my sisters without making them mad and how can I convince my parents to let me get married before my sisters.

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I don't know. Divorce after 5-6 months living together sounds a bit extreme.

What was the age difference?
So what if she was older? What's the big deal?
What did she lie about?
Why were they not supportive of the marriage?

What did they do to show unsupportiveness?
What exactly did they expect out of him financially?

What steps did he take to make that marriage work?

Why 24 as age limit of the girl he marries?

Use the 100 Questions List to find out more about this guy.

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Peony's list of questions above makes sense. There are two sides to every story. Yes, you have a good connection with this guy, but don't jump to conclusions just yet.

If possible, contact the ex-wife or her family without his knowledge and get their side of it.

Also, what's this guy's hurry?? Why does he absolutely HAVE to get married right away AND have a baby right away? When it comes to life changing decisions like this one, its better to take your time.

Yes, you should bring up the subject with your sister and parents, but first get to know him yourself too. Perhaps refer to the list of questions that someone posted in the Life and Relationships forum earlier.

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Good Grief Sara,

There are serious red flags here girl! First off...he was sizing your middle sister up for a relationship before he met you. Guys say crap like that they are just friends but guys are never just friends. Maybe there was nothing from your sister's side but he was interested in her. Guys don't waste their time having platonic relationships and especially this one who seems to be on a mission to be married and have a child within the next 12 months.

When a guy is rushing a relationship, there's a reason and you have to slow down to allow your brain to catch up.

I haven't read your entire post because I keep stopping by all these red flags.

This man doesn't need a wife, bring him a robot.

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Get to know yourself. Review the 100 questions and figure out who you are and what you want in life.

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Ok..woaw..i did read your post. As a guy i tell you..he sounds like someone who is serious. With that said, i do believe your mom is wrong for not getting you married unless your older sis gets married. And if he is really nice guy..your sisters should support you and help you break through this to your parents. So do this...talk to one of your sister whom you're close to..and try convincing her. And if she is convinced..and then you talk to your parents and get her support as well. Good rishtays are hard to come by..and like i said..that is only if he is good fella.

As far as his past relationship..well unfortunately you need to take his words for it. Do what you need to find out more about him. Other than that..wish you all the best!..just try convincing your parents. Or you can grab one of your khala, phuphoo or someone to help you out as well. Again..cheers!

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^^ Agree with above.. (Peonys' post)

Why is this guy is such a rush? Rush to get married, rush to have a child? Why? Is it all about him? Did he find the perfect person in you to control?

Your post is quite concerning. Take it slow.

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Was his ex older than him or younger than him? I'm confused because if he divorced 2 years ago (at 26) and was married for 2 years (which means he got married at 24), assuming his wife was 18 or older - 6 years isn't an insurmountable age difference, especially for a guy who now has in mind that he wants a max. 24 year old wife (which is 4 years younger than him).

Don't mean to nitpick, but it's a slight inconsistency. And if she was older - how much older and why would a 24 year old marry an older woman, if not for her green card?

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Good point!

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No one is denying that he's serious, but his reasons are unclear and the fact that he's in SUCH a hurry to get married means the girls should at least verify what's going on. This kind of thing isn't normal.

Also, who said she has to take his word for it? In any rishta process where there's a divorcee involved, people always verify with outside sources too.

You say all this and end with "only if he is a good fella." This should be emphasized more. The things this guy is saying and asking for don't make him sound like such a "good fella."

I agree that the girl's family's rule of oldest getting married first is bogus, specially in this case where the older sister isn't getting married and most likely won't get married any time soon.

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This is how I felt as well. And this is only after a week of talking :p

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Telling you what to wear, what to speak, and when to have a baby even before you're in a committed relationship? Shouldn't these be YOUR decisions?

Run! My niece married such a guy and while their marriage was fine for a year or so, very soon he was lusting after other girls and openly having an affair. They're getting divorced next month. (yes, I realize not all guys are the same, but there are just too many red flags here)

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What was the age difference? She was younger by six years

What did she lie about? She was in high school and was skipping school and lying to him about her whereabouts. He said he got letters from her school saying she has not been showing up. He also said that he got text messages from another guy saying he is her boyfriend and he sent him pictures of them together and when he confronted his wife she said she is photo shopped in and the guy is psycho. He said he let that go but her lies were just increasing, she had opened up a P.O BOX somewhere so that all her school mail would go there and she can freely go where ever she wants, he said his bhabi witnessed it.

Why were they not supportive of the marriage? – According to him he said because he was not making much money.

What did they do to show unsupportiveness? I didn’t ask him that.

What exactly did they expect out of him financially? I didn’t ask him that.

What steps did he take to make that marriage work? I didn’t ask him that.

Why 24 as age limit of the girl he marries? I didn’t ask him that.

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The girl was six years younger than him. I think he is a good potential but I am not as knowledgeable as my parents are to inquire about the guy, so I dont want to write him off right away, I want to at least give him a chance and have my parents find out more about him. I am scared to approach my parents about this right now because I barely know this guy and would like to get to know him a little more before I even bother with talking to my parents. I just want to find out what is the proper way of asking him these questions and if this is even worth it. I dont want to start liking him to find out he is not what he says he is.

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He is actually been friends with my sister from back in the day from college so when recently they ran into each other, they connected and became friends again. I dont think he was sizing my middle sister but I do agree that he was being friends with her to meet potentials. I am not sure if that is good thing or not. I agree with you that I should def slow down and get to know this guy and see what he is all about before I even take this to my parents.

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You are absolutey right Peony. Thanks for your advice.

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Before I go to my parents or my sisters, I want to make sure that he is the right one for me and is worth that hassle. I think I should get to know him more and then see how it goes. Yes, I wish I could make my mom understand that it is okay to let me get married before because I am also getting older but she just doesn’t get it and its to the point where if I bring it up she starts emotionally blackmailing me and my sisters dont support me much in regards to me getting married before the oldest so I dont know what to do. I pray day and night that either my sister gets married or my mom becomes understanding and gets me married.

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She was actually six years younger than him. I agree with you, it didn’t make sense to me either, that he was married to someone 6 yrs younger than him but then he said that was one of the problems yet now he is looking for someone 4 yrs younger than him. Good point. Thanks!

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I guess the way he worded them all sweetly I didnt realize that he is taking my right of making these decisions. I think this is also because I am so tired of being harssed by my ex that I just want to move on and start my life and not wait around. He is the only guy I felt that I can trust in the beginning and ofc any rishtas that come for me, my mom rejects them so i felt like he was my only option.

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Sara - I feel that there are some red flags with this guy as others have said before me. However, important thing is not to sell yourself short. I understand you are ready to get married and tried of your ex but a marriage is a decision for a lifetime so take your time with it.

The best thing I would say is to speak to your other sisters and talk to them about how you feel. It is unfair to make the two younger sisters wait until the older sister/s get married. See what your sisters think about this matter and then if there is some positive consensus between you three then perhaps you can discuss how you feel with your mom? I feel that your mother is at fault here - she should be consulting all of your feelings re the rishta decisons instead of rejecting the rishtas that come for you.

I know of a family - there were 3 sisters and 3 brothers. Because the oldest was not getting married they refused to get the younger sisters married and in the end all three sisters are old now and none was ever married. That resulted them in being very bitter and breaking up the marriages of two of their brothers as well. They were so bitter (including their mom) about never being married that they could not bear to see their brothers happily married.