I’ve heard numerous times that playing a musical instrument as a muslim is haram, unless it is a duff on occassions. Can someone give me a reason as to why playing an instrument is haram, and why it is different than playing a duff (which is also an instrument). Any references will be appreciated also.
Check this thread.
Brother .. if you want to see the references, the thread by Iqbal has a link to a book which should be sufficient to answer your queries .. If after knowing that the Prophet sallalahu al`ehe wasallum forbade music, you still want to know the reason, I can only say that us muslims should get into a habit of obeying without questioning too much … Most of us think that music as such is not dangerous, but thats not true !!! First of all , more often than not it acts as an intoxicant to our senses and we find ourselves following along with the music. This could result in loosing track of time, or abandoning the salaah due to that. Even if not that, brother have you seen what it has accelerated into??? Can you see the amount of swearing that rap music has grown to accomodate??? CAN YOU NOTICE how music is targetted at the opposite sex and aims to misguide us??? TRANCE music and associated parties are pure intoxication and nothing more.
If nothing else … all I ask you to do is focus on the wordings of songs of the day, and tell me if ANY of it is beneficial in our path of Islaam ???
Duff is allowed .. and only females play it <> its only allowed at festivals such as EID. I think its allowed because it doesn’t have a rhythym WALLAHU ALIM, i’m not sure. As rhythym is the intoxicant in music.
brother .. our religion isn’t strict as some people here would make it seem ! Daff is allowed in weddings and such <> because a little bit of music can make things seem festive , however when the same things aim to HARM us, thats when the religion forbids them. I hope you understand the point:)
EVEN AFTER ALL THIS .. the biggest reason against music is that the Prophet sallalahu al`ehe wasallum prohibited it and the later generations of the tabioon and the taba-tabioon refrained from it !! That for me is reason enough. The referred book with references is available here <http://members.tripod.com/oum_abdulaziz/music.html> Hope that helps:)
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Duff is allowed .. and only females play it <> its only allowed at festivals such as EID. I think its allowed because it doesn't have a rhythym WALLAHU ALIM, i'm not sure. As rhythym is the intoxicant in music.
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Duff or any percussion instrument most definately has rythm. If music takes away from us remebering our salat, then sports or television, or any hobby would also do the same thing, am I wrong?
It all depends on how seriously a person takes the lyrics in some music. It wouldn't be harmful if the lyrics are taken as a form of entertainment, for example like watching a horror movie. Would someone actually go and slash people's throats because they saw it on the big screen? Maybe, but that's because there is something mentally wrong with that particular individual. The film would not be the cause. The same would go for music. It's just entertainment, that's all.
if you wish to debate "reason" then I will have to bow out ,, as it is not for me to debate, discuss, disprove .... or try and make something allowable for you when the Prophet sallahu al`ehe wasallum forbade it.
The allowance of DUFF just goes to say that Islaam allows entertainment UPTO a LIMIT, as PLAYING THE DUFF on certain joyous occasions <<
You keep saying that MUSIC should be taken as a form of entertainment without focusing on the lyrics and I AM SURE you know how weak your own statement is !!! If we keep getting exposed to a certain culture we're bound to soak it in, AND AT THE SAME TIME start thinking that its allowed, as that is what has happened in most cases .. LETS ATLEAST AGREE on this, and decide to abandon songs which have lyrics which go against hte spirit of islaam, can we agree on this or NOT???
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I think its allowed because it doesn't have a rhythym WALLAHU ALIM, i'm not sure. As rhythym is the intoxicant in music.
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duff has rythm, i think u mean meolody or tune.
but then if something that does not have rythm is allowed, then most desi singers will be allowed since they cant carry a tune ;)
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I AM SURE you know how weak your own statement is !!! If we keep getting exposed to a certain culture we're bound to soak it in, AND AT THE SAME TIME start thinking that its allowed, as that is what has happened in most cases ..
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Why is my statement weak? Lyrics are like stories. By using your logic, we should not read books because they go against Islam, or not watch TV or movies or listen to stories told by people, right?
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LETS ATLEAST AGREE on this, and decide to abandon songs which have lyrics which go against hte spirit of islaam, can we agree on this or NOT???
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But wouldn't that mean abandoning every song with lyrics, unless they are religious islamically in nature? Even if those songs are harmless?
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
duff has rythm, i think u mean meolody or tune.
but then if something that does not have rythm is allowed, then most desi singers will be allowed since they cant carry a tune ;)
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I apologise but LOL!!.
&Talhaa says: "I can only say that us muslims should get into a habit of obeying without questioning too much ..... ". It is certainly a receipe.
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.. LETS ATLEAST AGREE on this, and decide to abandon songs which have lyrics which go against hte spirit of islaam, can we agree on this or NOT???
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sure, if this means songs which are basically rude crude and socially screwed sure, none of the ghetto rap. or the neo nazi metal bands. sure.
I mean even if someone is not muslim, these are in just bad taste, those who want topursue their bad tatses are more than wlecome to :)
I partucularly can not be bothered to listen to crappy "music"
MR FRAUDIA .. VERY FUNNY !! But i'm sure you know what I meant to say:)
Fret Wizard .. anything that goes against islaam .. be it under the guise of MUSIC, STORIES or WHAT NOT ,,, why should it be allowed ????
Can you tell me one thing?? Why are you debating the ORDERS of the Prophet sallalahu al`ehe wasallum with ME? Are the Prophet's words not enough for you?? Are the practices of his rightly guided companions not enough for you ???
FRET Wizard .. LETS first of all abandon ALL songs which GO AGAINST ISLAMIC rulings, such as the ones intended for the namehram members of the opposite sex, the ones that have swearing, the ones that ATTEMPT to glorify GOD/ISLAM anything in ways NOT PERMISSIBLE or allowed by ALLAH etcetra etcetra and then we'll see how much you're left with .. BUDDY ITS NOT about abandoning a CERTAIN TYPE of songs, its simply abandoning the ENTIRE CULTURE CONNECTED WITH SUCH SONGS, as little or no good can come out of it ,, as the majority of it is aimed towards WRONG.
I wont respond further as i do not want to be one debating on clear orders, the book with references is available, please refer to it if needed.
Wassalam:)
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Can you tell me one thing?? Why are you debating the ORDERS of the Prophet sallalahu al`ehe wasallum with ME? Are the Prophet's words not enough for you?? Are the practices of his rightly guided companions not enough for you ???
I wont respond further as i do not want to be one debating on clear orders, the book with references is available, please refer to it if needed.
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I agree with Talhaa here, there is no point discussing or debating over something that it is clear to us already !
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I agree with Talhaa here, there is no point discussing or debating over something that it is clear to us already !
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Only thing clear hear is that fundies do not like to debate when pressed.
Yo Sentinel: Are only muslims allowed to post in your fiefdom? Stop removing my posts. There was nothing in that post against forum rules.
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Only thing clear hear is that fundies do not like to debate when pressed.
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There is no debating the commands of ALLAH and HIS Prophet as then we would be debating the wisdom of the CREATOR !!
you know what, we get stuck in minor things so much that we lose sight of the big picture.
we will argue ad nauseum if music is allowed, or if beard is mandatory, or can we live in such and such country,..
lets start with the basics first, be a decent person, treat people with kindness and respect, be gentle, be polite...have a pleasant demeanor. Be a decenthuman being..make sure u are fulfilling haqooq al ibaad, make sure u are praying, make sure u are fulfilling the basics.
Damn,
This line from Fraudia is off the hook! :k:
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There is no debating the commands of ALLAH and HIS Prophet as then we would be debating the wisdom of the CREATOR !!
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Why are you getting hyper?
Where is this command of no music from Allah? It is a matter of indivual freedom, unlike what the Taliban tried to do but FAILED.
Fraudz, Excllent point!
&Talhaa - I'd like to know how you feel about instrumental music (music with no lyrics, eg: classical music or any other genre of music with no lyrical content). Would you also feel that instrumental music goes against islam? If so please give your reasons.
Also Talhaa, this is a religion forum used for debating and expressing ones thoughts on a certain subject matter regarding religion. What's the use of this forum if one should not feel right about debating clear orders? If that were the case, absolutely nothing would be debatable here, and this Religion room wouldn't exist. There's nothing wrong with debating topics regarding religion because everyone seems to interpret things in different ways.
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lets start with the basics first, be a decent person, treat people with kindness and respect, be gentle, be polite...have a pleasant demeanor. Be a decenthuman being..make sure u are fulfilling haqooq al ibaad, make sure u are praying, make sure u are fulfilling the basics.
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What you have mentioned is the Rights of the People. How about the Rights of Allaah (Haqooq Allaah)? Surely the rights of the Creator come before the rights of the created?
What are the basics?