Playing a Musical Instrument

Dear Fret_Wizard,

There is a difference between discussing and debating. Islaam does not encourage debating when the truth has been established.

It doesn't matter what Talhaa's personal beliefs are or what my personal beliefs are. As a Muslim your objective should be to investigate what Allaah and His Messenger - salallaaahu 'alayhi wa sallam - have prescribed for us, and not what we as humans desire.

This topic has been 'debated' in the past on numerous occasions. You'll find several threads discussing the issue of music in Islaam if you carry out a search.

regards

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Only thing clear hear is that fundies do not like to debate when pressed.
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Us "fundies" do not debate what Allaah and His Messenger - salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam - have ordained impermissible.

The truth is clear from falsehood. You have been given the freedom of choice to decide between the two. If you are sincere, carry out your own research to find the truth. And accept it when it comes to you.

... and Allaah knows best.

Brother Hasnain :k:!!

Some beneficial verses of the quran for those willing to understand, I’m sure we all believe Quran to be the authority, I will only ask you to focus on these instead of wasting time in debates:)

Surah Nur (47-52) Yousuf Ali Translation:
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We have indeed sent down signs that make things manifest: and Allah guides whom He wills to a way that is straight.

They say, “We believe in Allah and in the messenger, and we obey”: but even after that, some of them turn away: they are not (really) Believers.

When they are summoned to Allah and His messenger, in order that He may judge between them, behold some of them decline (to come).

But if the right is on their side, they come to him with all submission.

Is it that there is a disease in their hearts? or do they doubt, or are they in fear, that Allah and His Messenger will deal unjustly with them? Nay, it is they themselves who do wrong.

The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: they say, “We hear and we obey”: it is such as these that will attain felicity.

It is such as obey Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah and do right, that will win (in the end),
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There is no debating the commands of ALLAH and HIS Prophet as then we would be debating the wisdom of the CREATOR !!
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That almost always shuts up a Muslim's mouth, but how do I explain it to my non-muslim friends(!)?

I believe there is no harm in arguing over such decrees. A critical and analytical view of our own religion will help us in communicating it to the non-muslims.

I just love quoting this ayah again and again:

** 16:125 Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.**

Let me make a few pertinent points here:

For the “fundies,” everything is extremely rigid and non-debatable…and sorry to burst ur bubble fundies but if Islam wasn’t a logical, reason-oriented religion, it wouldn’t be debatable either!

Fraudz makes a dynamite point…we tend to lose track of the “bigger picture” while concentrating on the smaller issues. As long as one has the basic foundation in being a decent, humble, and a believing person in the one God and His Prophet, the smaller concerns are much less relevant though they may be important to some degree.

Re: song lyrics and instruments. my logic is with Fret’s. If most (if not all) forms of music is not allowed in Islam then at the same token, books and movies shouldn’t be allowed either and yet Islam ENCOURAGES knowledge which can be found in books and movies, mind you! (among other forms of meida, of course).

I think it is important to note that it’s ok to listen to music, read books, and watch movies as long as these activities: 1)don’t cause harm 2)don’t detract from Islam’s teachings and 3)don’t become addictive.

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you got different opinions wheter music with instruments is haram or halal.

i think its halal. As long as the music doesnt influence you negative.

for me:
1…dont think they have caused haram…or have they???
2…they do distract me from islam…ALOT!!!
3…musics so addictive…

now what am i supposed to do,everywhere i go,i hear music..at home my bro n sis r listenin to music…go shopping n theres music everywhere..at work…musics on…now how am i supposed to escape???i tried to stop listening to music…but i cant,its everywhere!!!

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Only thing clear hear is that fundies do not like to debate when pressed.
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Imdad, you dont know anything about me, and please i hope in future you wouldnt make presumptions and make quick judgments about me. Jazakallah.
When discussing anything we should entre these threads with open mind and leave any preconceived notions behind,especially when you have notions about particular people.

I said i wasnt willing to debate anything that is already clear to me...
Allah zawjal has said :

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]

“[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…” [al-Israa’ 17:64]

Am i one to disagree with this???For me i say there are no two views on this matter....

Punjabi kuri... As for music being everywhere, yes it is everywhere.. but it depends upon the persons intention, if it cannot be avoided then i dont think you are too blame because it was that sort of environment... If on the other hand you sat and listened to such music and you like listening to music then its not allowed. The madhab of Abu Haneefah took this matter in strict ragrd, they furhter stated that enjoying the music is kufr.
Imam Malik was asked about the playing of the drum or flute and He said if the person was to hear it and they begin to enjoy that then they should get up and walk away

If someone could check this for me, but im certain that all four Imams views are that all kinds of musical instruments are haraam.

Allah azwjal knows best.

Ma'salaama

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*Originally posted by Hasnain: *

Us "fundies" do not debate what Allaah and His Messenger - salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam - have ordained impermissible.

The truth is clear from falsehood. You have been given the freedom of choice to decide between the two. If you are sincere, carry out your own research to find the truth. And accept it when it comes to you.

... and Allaah knows best.
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More selected reading of the Quran by fundies like you. Islam is a progressive religon where debate is encouraged not shuned like fundies like you always do.

16:125 Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.

Excellent post moona.

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*Originally posted by Dai_sista: *

Imdad, you dont know anything about me, and please i hope in future you wouldnt make presumptions and make quick judgments about me. Jazakallah.
When discussing anything we should entre these threads with open mind and leave any preconceived notions behind,especially when you have notions about particular people.

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After reading a few of your posts, I know mroe than I want to ever know about you. You are a narrow minded religious bigot.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
After reading a few of your posts, I know mroe than I want to ever know about you. You are a narrow minded religious bigot.
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Thankyou for your very kind-hearted comments ! I think your very respectable brother. I dont want to stoop to level of saying anything bad about you!

Ma'salaama

OooooHHHHhhh :rolleyes: what a graceful way to talk to a sister !! We muslims respect our sisters under ALL circumstances , or are you going to make that point “debatable” as well ??

DISGUSTING !! :disgust:

I only have respect for people who respect other people and their opinions. I’m sick and tired of having fundos not try to debate a topic and just say “Allah has ordered so!”, “You are a kafir!” and then run of, instead of debate like normal human beings.

Brother ,,
Its not for you or me to decide who's kafiirr or who's not !! So I dont approve of that ,. However the QURAN tells us explicity to 'hear and obey' instead of hearing and not obeying, and we can never debate the word of ALLAH anyway ,, brother why dont you just tell me, why would anyone believe in ALLAH and yet debate ALLAH's orders ?? I wish to be enlightened by your superior intellect:) however at the same time please behave respectablly towards all,, as nobody has called you any names .. was-salam. HERE's another thing you could learn from the QURAN, it tells us to return the GREETINGS of other muslims, the sister has said SALAM to you TWICE and you have not returned it ,, just a pointer ! I'm sure music and such behind,, we can all follow the simple principles first.

CAN WE PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC HERE!!! :o

Here is somethin on using opinions instead of hearing and obeying. Hope it is helpful.


“And who can be better in religion than one who submits his face (himself) to Allah (i.e. follows Allah’s Religion );” Suratun-Nisa 4:125

And one who adopts the saying of Allah flees away from using his own ‘Aql (intellect) and from innovation.

When the Messenger of Allah was not authorized to introduce in this religion from his own intellect, then who else is there who claims such a right.
History and Experience have proven that those who have adopted a way of using their own intellect instead of the pure way of following (the Qur’an and Sunnah) have deviated. And not only did they misguide themselves but they became the cause of abasement of many others and after blackening their records of deeds they departed from this world.

In this short introduction we do not want to give a lengthy argument or else many examples could be given to prove this point, however we will suffice with one example.

In this ummah, the first sect which deviated on the basis of using ones intellect and opinion is known by the name of “Qadariyyah”. With regards to Qadr, instead of accepting the Shar’iah rulings apparently, these people started thinking about it using their own intellect. The more they thought, deeper they got into their errors, up until some of the impatient elements amongst them even rejected the Qadr. In contrast, with regards to it, some of them declared man to be totally helpless. For them the worship and sins of Allah’s slaves are equal.

The Messenger of Allah said about them:

Such people (i.e. the Qadariyyah) are the majoos of this Ummah. (Abu Dawood)

Once in front of His companion, Abdullah bin Umar (radiallaahuanhu) Qadariyyah was mentioned, so he said:

“If I come across these people then I would break their necks.”

There is no shortage of such people who preach intelligence and opinion in our times where mischief is abundant. Many issues are being understood by using ones own intellect and the result is nothing but misguidance and one of its examples is the issue of punishment in the Grave.

This issue is proven by evident injunctions from Qur’an and Sunnah. There is safety, peace and felicity only in Belief, certainty and Acceptance but many people are relentless in using their intellect and get entwined in this corrupt behavior and get misguided, rather fall into the pitch darkness of Kufr.

Because of this behavior of theirs, it is necessary that they reject the Shar’ee injunctions but in some cases they involve themselves into metaphysics and nature[2]. The filth of such people is a reason of many problems faced in the collective existence of this ummah.

People! The cure for this whimpering and restless nation is hidden only in the following of the Messenger(sallallaahu alaihi wasallam). The companions of the Messenger (saw) used to abstain from opinions in the Religion. Abu Bakr (radiallaahuanhu) used to say:

“If I say anything in this religion from my opinion then I do not have any refuge.”

This saying of Umar bin al-Khattab is famous:

“Beware of opinion in religion.”

Old Lahori is right ... infact there is nothing wrong with sincere queries,, as the Prophet salllalahu ale`he wasallum said "The cure to ignorance is the Question" .. :) So sincere questions which aim to better our understanding are FINE ,, its just a little wrong to debate clear orders and to doubt the word of Allah and His Prophet, but as long as the purpose is to learn,, and once the truth has been made clear, to actually ACT upon it .. i'm sure there isn't anything wrong with questions.

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*Originally posted by &Talhaa: *
Old Lahori is right ... infact there is nothing wrong with sincere queries,, as the Prophet salllalahu ale`he wasallum said "The cure to ignorance is the Question" .. :) So sincere questions which aim to better our understanding are FINE ,, its just a little wrong to debate clear orders and to doubt the word of Allah and His Prophet, but as long as the purpose is to learn,, and once the truth has been made clear, to actually ACT upon it .. i'm sure there isn't anything wrong with questions.
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Why should any one doubt the word of any religion he might be following, all religions have clear orders from their gods or prophets.
Should it only apply to Islam? So we should stick to our by-birth religion, since there is no room for the use of intellect in any religion.