Plan to fence, mine Afghan border

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walls/borders generally resist/downgrade trade between two countries but we need to consider the fact and ground reality that Afghanistan has become a $hit hole and all we get from that side is $hit while they continue to use our border for their benefit. For any wound to heal, you must first provide aid then put a bandage on it, with current geopolitics we can atleast put a bandage if aid is not in our jurisdiction.... seal the damn border.

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Lets get to facts before issuing any verdict, for the facts ask Afghans what they think of Pakistan, and I am not talking about Taliban supporters/sympathizers.

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Another terrorist sympathizer...

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Nice sentiment. But when Reagan said that, he didnt mean open borders for terrorists and crminals. Our immediate problem is that terrorists are crossing unmolested, to commit acts violence on either side. And last I checked, they perfer to co,municate through suicide bombers, and ak47s. Not the sort of communication ur refering to.

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U know another country that wanted pak to fail? AFGHANISTAN!They were always hostile towards Pak. This is a fact.

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I think people here are taking it all wrong, no body is supporting a Sid-e-Sikandari here, it is a temporary solution just to stop the terrorist movement, it is war strategy ONLY, now if few are short-sighted or hell-bound to not to accept it, please suggest the alternatives to stop the movement of terrorists???

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First of all no one is going to let you seal the border and secondly, you don't have the resources to seal such a long border, it is going to cost billions of dollars, unless the corrupt politician and corrupt generals use their personal swiss accounts to pay for the cost.

It is too late my friends, sealing border will not solve the problem. Here is what is in store for pakistan: A denuclearize, demilitarized Pakistan consist of only nothern Punjab.

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And an Afghanistan with milk canals streaming across the country, mountains of gold, universities of Cambridge and Oxford standards in every second street, a healthcare system that assure no one dies but naturally, a country more peaceful and beautiful than Switzerland, a currency stronger than Kuwait's dinar, and a defence stronger than the US. Best of luck my friend. But once it's all done, would you please take back those 25 million Afghan refugees staying in Pakistan for over two decades?

And thank you very much for thinking about Pakistan!

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All the Umma-loving Pakistanis take note. This is afghani love for you!

LOL. Typical attitude of shameless backstabbing afghanis. Just as this person has the audacity to come to Paklinks and spew nonsense, his fellow countrymen merrily enter Pakistan without any documentation, move to any part of the country where they can live and make moolah, and then spew their hatred and undermine it as well. Thankless creatures.

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I don't need to ask every citizen of pakistan or every citizen of afghanistan what they want on every single issue as a muslim i would ask any muslim to look at what the prophet(saw) told us to do on any such matter. Divide and rule borders and nationalism is not allowed if you have proof to contradict me please post it.

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You don't necessarily have to talk "every citizen" of any country, use "survey" techniques and talk to different 'groups', people from different part of Afghanistan and you will see the picture. Going by your logic we shouldn't even have a border with India.

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Why are you so opposed to it, are your smuggling drugs into the country?

Anyone who is FOR terrorism on both Pakistani and Afghan soil, would oppose this. Anyone opposed, be they afghan or Pashtun should and probably do support it, atleast in private.

Lastly, no one could possible seal the entire border. No we would simply seal up some of the areas that are most frequently traversed by criminal elements, and make their crossing that much more difficult by impeding their crossif altogether or forcing them to find a detour.

Very reasonable except for those we're trying to keep out (and in).

And if all that was left of Pakistan were Punjab, you would suddenly do what all you Afghans do, start another civil war, destry the only Pashtun city in one piece (Peshawar) and send all your refugees into what ever is left of Pak. I wonder, do you know what a parasite is?

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Let the refugees wallow in delusion. Why destroy their fantasies?

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Do you guys remember the previous year when Pakistan started operations in Mohmand and South Waziristan, Americans vacated the bases from Eastern Afghanistan where TTP sought refuge. Americans are quick to notice and target members of Afghan Taleban using drones within Pakistan, but when it concerns TTP they remain mum about it. Anyways, here’s what Karzai has got to say about the matter.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/26/afghan-president-accuses-pakistan-firing-deadly-series-missiles/
Afghan President Accuses Pakistan of Firing Deadly Series of Missiles
| Associated Press

KABUL, AFGHANISTAN – President Hamid Karzai on Sunday accused Pakistan of firing 470 rockets into two eastern Afghan provinces over the past three weeks, a deadly rain of artillery that Afghan officials said killed 36 people, including 12 children.

**The attacks came in areas of Kunar and Nangahar provinces where NATO forces have withdrawn, and where Pakistani Taliban moved in behind fleeing civilians, Afghan border officials said.

Karzai indicated Pakistani government forces are responsible for the bombardment, and “they should be stopped immediately.” And “if they are not being carried out by Pakistan, Pakistan should make it clear who is behind the attacks,” he said in a statement issued by the presidential palace.

Afghan security officials said joint NATO and Afghan border units have fired back into Pakistan, but NATO and Pakistan military officials denied any knowledge of border skirmishes.**

NATO reported, meanwhile, that five service members were killed in at least three insurgent attacks in western, southern, and eastern Afghanistan on Sunday. The international coalition gave no other details. The deaths bring to at least 53 the number of NATO service members killed in June, and to more than 200 this year.

Karzai said he discussed the rocket barrage with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zadari during an anti-terrorism conference in Tehran on Saturday, the same day the Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman warned that Afghanistan would defend itself.

**“The government of Pakistan should understand that there will be a reaction for killing Afghan citizens,” said spokesman Mohammad Zahir Azimi.

The Afghan president said he also discussed the border attack with Afghan NATO commander Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Karl Eikenberry during his regular national security council meeting on Sunday.
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American and Afghan officials have pressured Pakistan to end its security forces’ long-standing relationship with the Taliban movement, viewed as a tool for Pakistani influence over strategically placed Afghanistan. Such major artillery support for a Taliban operation, however, would be one of the most blatant recent examples of Pakistani support and bodes ill for the testy relationship among the three countries.

Afghan border police spokesman Edris Mohmand, who reported 36 Afghans killed by the rockets, including 12 children, said 2,000 families have fled districts threatened by the barrage, including Asmar and Nangalam in Kunar, and Goshta district in Nangahar.

“All these attacks have been from Pakistan’s side and for sure they are Pakistani weapons being used against innocent Afghans,” Mohmand said. “The border police in the eastern region have been equipped with heavy artillery but we are waiting for orders from the interior minister.”

NATO has recently withdrawn many of its combat troops from forward operating bases and combat outposts in Kunar and Nangarhar. Both provinces continue to be heavily contested by Taliban fighters.

Spokesman Azimi said the Afghan Defense Ministry “asks the president of Pakistan to stop the artillery firing and compensate the losses caused.”

Violence has been on the rise across Afghanistan since the country’s Taliban Islamists launched a spring offensive and promised retaliation for the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden in a U.S. raid in Pakistan on May 2.

The deadliest single attack since February occurred on Saturday in eastern Afghanistan, when a suicide bomber blew up his sport utility vehicle at a health clinic while women and children lined up for maternity care and vaccinations. At least 35 were killed.

The vehicle smashed through a wall at the Akbarkhail Public Medical Center before anyone could shoot the driver or blow out the tires, local officials said. The force of the blast caused the building to collapse.

Survivors frantically dug through the rubble with shovels and bare hands. At least 53 other people were wounded, said the provincial public health director, Dr. Mohammad Zaref Nayebkhail.

“They were offering important services for the people. We had very good services and lots of patients. There were only 10 beds but lots of other services in that center. It’s why the casualties were so high,” he said.

Wary of being blamed for civilian casualties, the Taliban denied it was behind the bombing in Azra district in Logar province.

“This attack was not done by our fighters,” Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

The Taliban claims it does not target civilians, but the movement is fractured and Saturday’s attacks shared characteristics of other recent violence.

A recent U.N. report found that May was the deadliest month for civilians since it began keeping track in 2007, and it said insurgents were to blame for 82 percent of the 368 deaths recorded.

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[quote="Med911, post:9, topic:243272"]

Let the refugees wallow in delusion. Why destroy their fantasies?/QUOTE
Even if the every Muslim betray the concept of UMMAH it will still remain valid forever because this concept was given by ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW no body on the face of the earth can finish this so we will remain faithful to this concept

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Poor deluded little man.

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It is the fact man no one on the face of the earth can finish the Ummah

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If i do survey in NWFP they will say we want separate from pakistan, if i do survey in sindh they want separate state if i do survey in Baluchistan they want separate state where does your logic end?

This why when muslims have disagreement over an issue we always refer to allah(swt) and his messenger(saw) and what they said on issue is acceptable if we muslims.

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Yes survey can tell you that people want to separate from Pakistan but I bet it won't be a "majority" saying that, lets keep facts as they are and not pull something from where sun don't shine.

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If the state does not have writ over FATA and other areas bordering the pak-afg border, the whole issue of fencing the border is mute. No?