what EXACTLY is a pir? and is it shirk to have one?
plz give evidence.
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the only pir i know is our own guppie mr fraudz the pir.
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peer is a persian word which means "old"....
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Pir meansTeacher of Islam & Sufism, A peer is an Woli Allah, about whom Allah Subhanahu Taala has said," Ala Inna Awaliallahi La Khaufun Alaihim Walahum Yahjanun".
Means: He who has become friend of Allah he has no fear ever (neither in this world nor in Roj Hasr.).
DAWAT -E- KHALK ELALLAH
- “He, who invite (someone) towards Allah, do good /sincere work, and says, ‘I am a servant /orderly. Whose word is better than him?”- (Sura- Ha Mim Sijda -33)
- “Tell, I want only friendly relationship from you for my Dawat. Anybody who do good work I enhance his religious merit.” (Sura -Shura 23 )
- “( Hallo Prophet ) Invite the peoples towards your own protector (Allah) with enlightening excellent words/sentences”. (Al Quran )
- “ Invite ( People) towards the path of Protector (Allah) explaining nicely with enlightening words and giving advise. And debate with them in suitable way. (Sura Nahal- 125 )
Hazrat Adam (Alaihessalam) is the first human being and first Prophet who invited men towards the creator. Prophet Hazrat Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the last Prophet. Almighty himself send blessings to Prophet Mohammad (sm) as mentioned in Quran. Almighty declares in Quran :-
“ Innallaha Wa Malaikatihi Yusalluna Alannabi , Ya Ayuhallajina Amanu Sallu Alaihi Wa Sallimu Taslima”
Alhamdulillah. All praise for Almighty Allah who is the creator of this Universe, who is controlling this universe , who is most powerful, by the order of whom the stars and planets of the universe are moving and day & night occurs and their duration varies, who has sent Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) in this world as our guide.
We express our blessings for our Prophet through Durud-“Allahumma Salliala Sayedena Mohammadew Wasilati Elaika Walihi Wasallim”.
Prophet Mohammad(sm) has said “Maan Arafa Nafsahu Fakad Arafa Rabbahu”- A man who has got the identity of his own soul, he has been able to know about Almighty Allah. In other words - If you want to know about Allah Rabbul Alamin you are to know yourself. Now the Question arises,
how can I know myself and Almighty Allah ?
For that we are to find out the following questions:
a. Who am I ? From where I have come to this world ?
b. What I am ? What is my duty in this world ?
c. What is Islam ? What is Iman(Faith) ?
What is Amal ? d. Who is Mumin ?
How a man can be Mumin
e. What is Hedayet ? How can I get Hedayet ?
f. What is Shariat - Tarikat- Marifat & Hakikat ?
g. What are the Rules of Islam (Rules of Shariat) ?
h. What are the main basis of Islam ?
i. What is the best way to get Almighty Allah Subhanahu Taala.
j. What are the guidelines given by Prophet Mohammad (sm) to lead our life ?
k. How can we become Allah Wala ( Woli Allah) ?
NB: If we can find out the answer of these question Insha Allah we will be able to find out the means to know about myself and the means to know about Allah and thereby to get the means to become closer to Almighty Allah. You can find out these answers from Awlia Keram.
Almighty Allah says,“ My Awlia stay under the cloth (Chador) of my love. Nobody knows them except myself.”- (Hadis -e- Kudsi).
Directives from Allah about going to Awlia:- “Hello ! The believers of Islam, you search the media to get closer to me and fight against Nafs (Nafs -e-Ammara/Bad will force) Definitely you will become successful.”- (Al-Quran, Sura Maida-35 ).
. “ He ,who is knowledgeable about Almighty Allah (who is kind) , inquire about Allah to him.”- (Al Quran.)
. “ Kanu Kalilam Minal laili Ma Yahjaun. Wabil Asharihum Yastagfirun”- They (Muttakis) used to sleep at night less and prayed to Allah at the last part of night. ( Al-Quran)
“Remember, those who are friend of Allah , they have neither an any fear nor they will be worried. Those who have brought faith and passing life with fear (of Allah), for them there is good news of earthly life and future life (after death). (Yunus -62-64 )
I think nowyou have a clear Picture about Awlia/Peer.
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^ just a correction, verse 35 of surah-e-maida talks about "jihad fee sabilihi" (jihad in the way of Allah) and does not mentions nafs so do not include it in the translation...
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Correct translation:
O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye may prosper.
Surah Maidah Verse 35
Say what ever you want to say, but DO NOT EVEN TRY to add your own words to the verses of the Quran. Rest you can keep goin on with your goofy soofy stuff.
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thanks guys...but...someone said to learn from a pir is shirk...is this true?
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I believe in Sufism and to my utmost knowledge the real teachings of sufism are not of Shirk. Shirk is when we see ignorant people making sajdahs and making duaas to a dead saint. Sufism is far from that SHIRK.
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Ms Angel Eyes.
To have a pir as a religious teacher is okay. To learn from him is not shirk. Whats wrong is to think of them as divine beings or that theyre more than just humans. Some people go to pir's to request them to pray for them. Some people think the only way they can communicate with Allah is through their pir. This is not right because as we all know we dont need anybody to be a mediator between ourselves and Allah.
People often give money to their pir's as a payment for their prayers. Thats not right either.. unless the intention to give money is so that it gets redirected back to the community (charity). These days you have plenty of fake pir's who claim to be a religious authority and use that to thug naive people off their money.
Sincerely,
Captain Lota
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Another thing that is really messed up is that in Sufism, the Pir(teacher) - Mureed(student) relationship is way too formal and the obedience levels observed by the mureeds are way to high, than in a conventional student-teacher relationship.
In Sufism you aren't allowed to question the Pir. You just have to follow and do as he says, no matter what. He knows what you dont know. This is wrong. Such levels of respect and obedience were reserved for one person only, and he is was the Rasool Allah (sas). As we say about him:
Same'na wa Ata'na
We hear and we obey.
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but dont some sufi’s do that?
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^ that’s exactly what i was wondering…so is it shirk to do that? im asking because i know someone that does this and before i tell them that it is shirk or wrong i want to make sure i have all the facts. is there any evidence to point to this as being wrong?
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good point…ive heard about this as well.
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I haven’t heard of any “sufi” doing that, many sufis’ followers do that… do you have any example?
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no i dont have any examples…i was wondering about it myself that’s why i asked.
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It is haraam in Islam to accuse another Muslim of shirk. There are a few people you can find on the maqams of Awliya Allah who are doing sajda or making tawaf. We cannot call them mushriks just like that!! They are just ignorant of the correct adab and practice on maqams.
Imam Ahmad Raza Khan raziAllahu anhu a great Hanafi 'Alim of South Asia, says that it is “Haraam” to make a sajda of respect, and this is the position of the Hanafi madhab. The correct adab is to be 4 feet away from the noble grave of the Wali and make tawassul (the du’a Anwaar Qureshi is calling shirk)
Awliya Allah are not dead. They are alive in their maqams. Tasawwul is not being done to the wali. It is being done to Allah through the wali.
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I am all for tawassul and I do it myself too. I ask ALLAH directly. I oppose people asking from saahib-e-qabar directly by calling his name.
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It does not matter what you oppose or not, what matters is what the Hanafi Madhab ruling is. That Tawassul is termed as istighata. Imam Shafi’i used to do it through Imam Abu Hanifa raziAllahu anhu
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www.sunnipath.com and the above site.
Thaqib
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Sahih Bukhari: *Volume 4, Book 56, Number 671: *
Narrated Ibn Umar: Allah’s Apostle said, “Once three persons (from the previous nations) were traveling, and suddenly it started raining and they took shelter in a cave. The entrance of the cave got closed while they were inside. They said to each other, ‘O you! Nothing can save you except the truth, so each of you should ask Allah’s Help by referring to such a deed as he thinks he did sincerely (i.e. just for gaining Allah’s Pleasure).’ So one of them said, ‘O Allah! You know that I had a laborer who worked for me for one Faraq (i.e. three Sas) of rice, but he departed, leaving it (i.e. his wages). I sowed that Faraq of rice and with its yield I bought cows (for him). Later on when he came to me asking for his wages, I said (to him), ‘Go to those cows and drive them away.’ He said to me, ‘But you have to pay me only a Faraq of rice,’ I said to him, ‘Go to those cows and take them, for they are the product of that Faraq (of rice).’ So he drove them. O Allah! If you consider that I did that for fear of You, then please remove the rock.’ The rock shifted a bit from the mouth of the cave. The second one said, ‘O Allah, You know that I had old parents whom I used to provide with the milk of my sheep every night. One night I was delayed and when I came, they had slept, while my wife and children were crying with hunger. I used not to let them (i.e. my family) drink unless my parents had drunk first. So I disliked to wake them up and also disliked that they should sleep without drinking it, I kept on waiting (for them to wake) till it dawned. O Allah! If You consider that I did that for fear of you, then please remove the rock.’ So the rock shifted and they could see the sky through it. The (third) one said, 'O Allah! You know that I had a cousin (i.e. my paternal uncle’s daughter) who was most beloved to me and I sought to seduce her, but she refused, unless I paid her one-hundred Dinars (i.e. gold pieces). So I collected the amount and brought it to her, and she allowed me to sleep with her. But when I sat between her legs, she said, 'Be afraid of Allah, and do not deflower me but legally. 'I got up and left the hundred Dinars (for her). O Allah! If You consider that I did that for fear of you than please remove the rock. So Allah saved them and they came out (of the cave).” (This Hadith indicates that one can only ask Allah for help directly or through his performed good deeds. But to ask Allah through dead or absent prophets, saints, spirits, holy men, angels etc. is absolutely forbidden in Islam and it is a kind of disbelief.)
The part in bold was a statement made by Imam Bukhari himself. I believe when a scholar of such calibre passes a verdict the case is pretty much closed.
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The two sources of 'Ilm, the Prophet sas left us with, are the Quran and the Sunnah. I dont think he mentioned Sunnipath.com in his final Khutbah.