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I think we are saying the same thing. My earlier post to which you responded was referring to this thread when I stated there is no need for Indians to come here and advise. And I think u agree.
Of course there is a larger online world out there. With lots of positive posts.
You and I are fine. I understand you well. No issues.
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And re ur last para - that is a great learning moment for me. For I am guilty of promoting secularism here. Point taken. Will shut up re that.
Sometimes there is wisdom in your long posts!!
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“We have condoned, if not nurtured, the conditions in which this enemy exists and thrives,” wrote Samar Abbas Kazmi, a 30-year-old lawyer from Islamabad now based in London. “If our mourning is to have any meaning, we must change these conditions.” His whole post.
This has to change first. What this lawyer from Islamabad is talking about is what empowers the likes of Hafis Saeed to terrorise with impunity and just blame India
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And re ur last para - that is a great learning moment for me. For I am guilty of promoting secularism here. Point taken. Will shut up re that.
Sometimes there is wisdom in your long posts!!
Only sometimes lol :) I am not trying to control what you or others say. You are much older and more experienced than me. I was just giving statements on how Pakistani people might see it. Yes, there is lot of positive and some negative online. I agree what you said about this thread and i was talking online in general. People who make cowardly comments online do not always voice these opinions in real life. Initially i thought i would counter the negative on either side but I think this is too big a project for me and too exhausting. You know i am going through a lot right now but this event touched me and made me shed further tears. It inspired me to post all these candlelight vigils. Generally now i've decided to stay out of India vs Pakistan comparisons either of political events, tragedies, or in entertainment and sports.
As for secularism vs non secularism. This is why i recommended watching Shanakht. There are also plenty of liberal minded people like those at Lal masjid protest who can make right decisions if they want to head in that direction.
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What is Shanakht? Can you explain in detail?
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The main issue i had with the original comment was that there was a generalisation when it was said that “Indian facebook pages are filled with..” in one of your original comments. It could have been said “some” . You didn’t mention all the positivity they were filled with or that second leading twitter trend was indiawithpakistan](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=IndiaWithPakistan)
That’s all my main point was. Thanks.
Amitabh Bacchan has said that victims of Peshawar need not sympathy but prayers.
Bollywood lyricist Prashoon Joshi (Hum tum, Taare Zameen Par, Fanaa) wrote this heart touching poem about the Peshawar tragedy.
“Jab bachpan tumhari god mein aaney se katraange lage Jab maa ki kokh se jhankti zindagi baahar aaney se ghabrane lage Samjho kuch galat hai…
(When childhood is hesitant to sit in your lap
When life that watches out from a mother’s womb is afraid of coming out, Know, something is wrong)
Jab talwaarein phoolon par zor aazmane lagein Jab masoom ankhon mein khauf nazar aane lagey Samjho kuch galat hai…
(when swords use their force on flowers
When innocent eyes show fear
Know, something is wrong)
Jab oas ki boondon ko hatheliyon pe nahin, hathiyaaron ki nok par theherna ho Jab nanhe nanhe talwon ko aag se guzarnaa ho Samjho kuch galat hai..
(When the early morning dew sits still on the edge of weapons, not palms, When the soft feet of tiny tots have to walk on fire Know, something is wrong)
Jab kilkariyan saham jayein
Jab totli boliyaan khamosh ho jayein
Samjho kuch galat hai..
(When squeals of kids stop suddenly in fear
When the sweet stutter of kids go silent
Know, something is wrong)
Kuch nahin, bahut kuch galat hai
Kyonki zor se baarish honi chahiye thi poori duniya mein
har jagah tapakne chahiye the aansoo
Rona chahiye tha uparwale ko aasmaan se
Phoot Phoot kar
sharm se jhukni chaiye thee, insaani sabhyata ki gardanein
(Not some, but most of the things have gone wrong
It should have rained heavily across the world
Rains of tears should have fallen everywhere
One who is above should have wept from the skies
Torrentially,
The necks of human civilization should have hung in shame)
Shok nahin, sock ka waqt hai
Maatam nahin, sawalon ka waqt hai
Agar iske baad bhi sar utha kar khada ho sakta hai insaan Samjho ki kuch galat hai.”
**(It’s the time of thoughts, not mourning
It’s the time of questions, not gloom
And yet, even after all this, if humans can walk with heads high, Know, something is wrong)
**
As for Shanakht. It is about identity, liberalism vs conservatism and how that doesn’t always reside in external appearances. It is a family drama following the tale of a girl who is from a liberal elite family who don’t understand her.
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Sometimes one writes in a hurry and proper message not conveyed. You had indicated ate ALL Indian messages you had see were positive. I believe I was responding to that. And I believe I clearly stated my FB data set - and also indicated it was a dataset of 3 data points.
So I think my message was clear enough. No one in their right mind would say ALL Inildian messages are negative. In fact the only one who used ALL was you - that ALL messages you had seen were positive.
anyway - we are nitpicking now. We understand each other.
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The same group giving advice here is also active in the J&K election thread. So the pattern is clear for all to see. They are here to stir things up.
Boasting about J&K turnout - knowing fully well this will unnecessarily open wounds. That thread is still open - a testament to the patience and fair mindedness of the admins here.
Saying I told you so and offering advice here.
And the RSS conversion thread - offering some lame justification.
Connect the dots.
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what about people like him in cabinet?
Union minister of state Giriraj Singh on Wednesday said what was happening in Pakistan was friendly fighting. He was referring to the attack by Taliban militants on an army school in Peshawar in which 141 people including 132 children were gunned down.
“Whatever is happening in Pakistan is called friendly fight,” he wrote on his Twitter account.
In the following tweet, however, he condemned the attack.
Giriraj Singh had in the past embroiled in a controversy as he said during general election campaign that those who were opposed to Narendra Modi (then BJP candidate) should be sent to Pakistan.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi condemned the attack. He also spoke to Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif over phone. Parliament also condemned the attack.
Giriraj Singh says Peshawar attack was friendly fight : India, News - India Today
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Sometimes one writes in a hurry and proper message not conveyed. You had indicated ate ALL Indian messages you had see were positive. I believe I was responding to that. And I believe I clearly stated my FB data set - and also indicated it was a dataset of 3 data points.
So I think my message was clear enough. No one in their right mind would say ALL Inildian messages are negative. In fact the only one who used ALL was you - that ALL messages you had seen were positive.
anyway - we are nitpicking now. We understand each other.
I realise I may have come across as abrupt. I am glad we understand each other and I apologise if I hurt your feelings or anyone else's feelings with any of my comments. This tragedy has affected me like all other humans along with other issues. I think I will stay away from peshawar related political threads apart from posting vigil photos and other positive messages. All messages I had seen in my socia
l media circle were positive but I realise people have different experiences. I gave pointed out to arleitter when I found his threads unnecessary like the dawood thread
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Obviously it is wrong what he said on twitter and to be condemned as well. Indian politicians, especially right wing ones, are not known for their sensitivity. That i could see from their comments on rape incidents. I am still surprised they had the 2 min silence in parliament.
Reminds me of Abdul Aziz’s and Mufti Naeem’s indifference.
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I realise I may have come across as abrupt. I am glad we understand each other and I apologise if I hurt your feelings or anyone else's feelings with any of my comments. This tragedy has affected me like all other humans along with other issues. I think I will stay away from peshawar related political threads apart from posting vigil photos and other positive messages. All messages I had seen in my socia l media circle were positive but I realise people have different experiences. I gave pointed out to arleitter when I found his threads unnecessary like the dawood thread
No problems Shaasavera. An apology was not necessary. We are simply trying to clarify our positions. No issues at all.
Take it easy.
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You have missed the point. You can call my post sanctimonious farce or worse. Don't bother me none. I call it as I see it. For now, my response to you will be a fine point.
Have a good day.
If your holier than thou attitude wasn't so irritating, it would actually be quite funny. Pls carry on !!
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If your holier than thou attitude wasn't so irritating, it would actually be quite funny. Pls carry on !!
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you do come across the least ridiculous when you restrict yourself to this full stop.
BTW it is called a full stop or a period. A fine point is something else but for you that is good enough an approximation.
All - please gice this guy some likes !
Re: Peshawar attack scares the hell out of the likes of Hafiz Saeed, Musharraf
you do come across the least ridiculous when you restrict yourself to this full stop.
BTW it is called a full stop or a period. A fine point is something else but for you that is good enough an approximation.
All - please gice this guy some likes !
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