Peshawar attack scares the hell out of the likes of Hafiz Saeed, Musharraf

There is a reason for the blame game that has started so soon after the Peshawar tragedy…

The bodies of the slain children in Peshawar’s Taliban attack had barely gone cold when many of the regressive voices in Pakistan started pointing fingers at India. To add insult to injury, now comes news that Zaki ur Rehman Lakhvi, said to be the key handler of the 26/11 attacks and LeT commander has now been given bail by a Pakistan anti-terror court.
All this, when public sympathy in India for the victims of this mindless atrocity was peaking, with Prime MinisterNarendra Modi himself asking schools to mourn the premature deaths.
The accusations against India began almost as soon as the Tehreek-e-Pakistan Taliban (TTP) claimed responsibility for the attack and even put out a photograph of its “martyrs”. The anti-India venom is intended to neutralise the Taliban claim that it was taking revenge against the Pakistani army for its drive against terrorists in North Waziristan, through Operation Zarb-e-Azb.
http://s2.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Pervez-musharraf_hafeez-saeed_AFP.jpgPervez Musharraf and Hafiz Saeed in file photo. AFP

A Pakistani security analyst, Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid, was the first off the block. “India, we will not forgive you for this atrocity! You chose the day of December 16th to rub it in. We stand firm, united and will crush you,” he said on twitter. 16 December is when the Pakistani army surrendered to Indian forces in Bangladesh.* (Read his full rant herein his blog).

Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed, the man widely believed to be behind the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, was equally quick to jump in and say “India has done it”. He vowed revenge. And former Army Chief and subsequent President Pervez Musharraf also chose to draw the same India link to the attack.
Saeed lied through his teeth, claiming India had sent troops to Afghanistan “to help the US”, and if they could do so, he had every right to send “mujahideen” to Kashmir. “Kashmiris are clamouring for help and it is our duty to respond to their call.” It’s obvious why he said this. If Pakistan is going to wipe out terror, as Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif promised without naming either the Taliban or anyone else, how could they ignore Saeed’s brand of terror?
Musharraf also drew the India-Afghanistan link and stretched it to breaking point. “Do you know who is Maulana Fazlullah? He is the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan commander. He is in Afghanistan. And I am reasonably sure that he was supported by the former (Hamid) Karzai government and RAW to carry out terror attacks in Pakistan,” he told CNN-IBN in an interview yesterday (17 December).
This is laughable, for the truth is that Musharraf himself had ties to the Taliban, and it is believed that officers reporting to him asked the Taliban to get Benazir Bhutto killed. (Read Khaled Ahmed’s piece hereexplaining the connection, among other things).
What explains these shrill accusations and direct threats when no one actually has any proof that can even remotely connect India to this atrocity?
The simple answer is this: Peshawar scares the hell out of Pakistan’s Army-and-ISI-cultivated anti-India terror groups, including JuD and LeT. They know that if civil society starts treating the Taliban as pathological killers, they could be next.
There can be three explanations for this.

One explanation, of course, flows from the old rule: attack is the best form of defence. Once it became clear that Pakistani civil society was shocked enough to start asking tough questions from its leaders on who created the Taliban and other terrorist monsters in their country, it was not possible to separate the TTP’s jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan from the India-facing jihadists – include Saeed’s JuD and its progeny, the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT). So the JuD chief went on the offensive to deflect the question even before it started forming in the minds of ordinary Pakistanis.
Two, the Pakistani army, in whose school the mass murders took place, faced an immediate problem: how to maintain the morale of its own officers and soldiers, brought up on jihadi slogans, from losing faith when the same jihad had now reached their door? The army used its own formula (anti-India rhetoric) to focus the internal anger in the rank and file on “Hindu India”. This is why the security analyst immediately targeted India.

Three, soon after the attack, Pakistani army chief Raheel Sharif flew to Afghanistan to seek the extradition of the TTP chief. Pervez Musharraf, already under attack in Pakistan for his misrule and now a pariah with civil society, rushed to link India and Afghanistan through the TTP’s presence in Afghanistan.
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The Indian Express *carries two Pakistani voices today – Husain Haqqani and Khaled Ahmed – and both made it clear that the problem of terrorism is home-grown. Writes Haqqani:
“Jihadi militancy and terrorism have just been ways of enabling Pakistan to stand up to a bigger and increasingly powerful India through asymmetrical warfare. During the war against the Soviets, Pakistan used American money, weapons and training not only to equip fighters to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, but to also raise brigades of irregular fighters for Jammu and Kashmir and for permanent influence across the Durand Line. The problem with ideologically motivated warriors is that their ideology can morph and mutate in directions unacceptable to a pragmatic state.”

Ahmed wrote: “Pakistan has persisted in its foreign policy (that is, its anti-India policy) at the cost of total regional a global isolation. The time has come to end it.”
The Pakistani government claimed the bail a technical error on its part and officials said they would oppose it. But it is unlikely that Lakhvi will be going back to jail anytime soon. His release is symbolic of a greater malaise. The shrill anti-India voices of Hafiz Saeed, Musharraf and rabid analysts like Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid are intended to ensure that Pakistan remains mired in its jihadi, anti-Indian mindset. If that mindset changes, their game will be over.

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Unnecessary thread. Bad timing. Poor taste.

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^

It is your post that is unnecessary and bad timed.

Re: Peshawar attack scares the hell out of the likes of Hafiz Saeed, Musharraf

Actually no. Indian Facebook pages are filled with scoring points on this occasion. More of the same being attempted here.

Such sentiments don't come from a vacuum. As the articles states - the bodies of the children have barely gone cold.

So ignore these accusations. There is no need for an Indian to highlight them here. Back home, these accusations are being highlighted and accompanied with scathing attacks on the country - using a derogatory name for the country.

Those doing so think they have the moral high ground.

So give it a rest. Stop playing politics and trying to score a point. Let the people grieve. There will be a time for you to gloat.

Just be patient.

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Thanks for pointing out all this. I thank those who come to show solidarity, but still there are many Indian who are putting salt in our wounds. have a look at these tweets:

https://twitter.com/yoginisd/status/545062100888850432

https://twitter.com/ArkJaiswal/status/545257710187319296

https://twitter.com/InternetHindus/status/544887165931380736

Please keep your sympathies with yourselves, if you have this mindset. We don’t need fake words, when people inside their hearts have so much hatred against over existence and identity. Thanks

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Bro,you are on a wrong end now,I fear.This is an incident that has been widely condemned in India and by Indian public.You may be having a plenty number of social media posts those literally expressing a different kind of sentiments and they are not only emnating from India or by Indians elsewhere but people belonging to many nationalities aswell.You kindly check social media responses from any country and you will such bad comments.There are good guys and bad guys everywhere.There are supporters or even silent supporters of the Peshawar terrorists within Pakistan as well.

I remember way back in 2001,the opening post for the Indian parliament attack was with a smily and the O.P was so happy to learn about the news.The 26/11 attack was widely condemned worldwide but from a few pockets,there had been applauds .
Remember good guys and bad guys are there everywhere.Just because a few Indians have expressed their different view compared to the major sentiments does not make that Indians are all thinking in that way.And just because an indian has posted some lines that may seem to be too much sweet for you does not mean that he is an angel.We have seen these drams a lot,Bro.

I live in a civilized society having it’s strong roots across the border and one does not show me candle light now.I have the sense and sensibility to understand the lines.

I am sure no person who is humane enough can accept and endorse such attacks.That is the reason I said in other thread not to call these butchers animals.Animals do not scoope to their levels.This morning the headline of a Bangalore daily was with a question by Bangalore kids posing to to those henchmen. `How can you pull trigger to souls like us’?

Personally,our corporate portal was deluged with condemnations and our whatsgroup had requested all the members to change the profile picture to a `candle’ image,to show sympathy and solidarity with the victims,which almost all did it.

We live in a civilized world dude.

Thanks :slight_smile:

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I can give anecdotal evidence. The last 3 Facebook posts that some of my "friends" liked or wrote all had the theme - this should serve to remind Pakistan (one used a derogatory name) that their home grown terror has come home to roost. Each of the 3 FB posts had about 10 likes on average. And about 5 comments supporting it. I was the only dissenter in each.

One was by my cousins son. He didn't respond.

Other two were from friends of my another cousins son. And they used dirty words after reading my dissent.

So out of a total of 30 likes and 15 posts, everyone went along with such despicable conduct.

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Not sure what your problem is - that I mentioned the lies that Zaid Hamid & Musharraf are spewing or that I posted a rebuttal for those.

Pls stop this sanctimonious farce since a few other threads discussing Zaid Hamid and Musharraf's comments blaming India for the Peshawar tragedy have already been posted and are being discussed.

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I don't have doubts about good Indian, but Arli you disappointed me here by criticising Southie who had a point to give Pakistanis a chance to mourn. I take it rubbing salt on our wounds. While our people are busy naming and shaming those who see Indian hand in this incident, Indians are blaming us for terrorism and that too on wide guesses. Remember your earlier posts on this incident with reference to Ibrahim Dawood. If this remains the case, I'll definitely call those Pakistanis delusional who are happy and thankful to Indian for showing such gesture of solidarity.

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India is a country of 1.2Bn people, and not everyone supports Pakistan. However, pls don't use that as an excuse to dismiss the genuine support and sympathy that Pakistan is getting from many corners of India. Remember, no Indian is being forced to sympathize with or support Pakistan at this time - they are doing it of their own free will.

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But these Taliban were actually owned by us, so there was nothing bad to say that they are roosting us.

Indian view is right but distasteful at this time.

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lets see how long this genuine support remains intact.

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This is probably the most important aspect of terror we should be discussing and I thank OP for posting it. It goes to the absolute root cause of why the Peshawar attack occurred.

The three monsters it discusses represent the clear cross section of Paksitani establishment:

Musharraf - Military, (Fallen) hero, architect of Pakistan's most admired military attack namely Kargil, President/CEO by title and power for quite a while

Hafiz Saeed - Religion, hero, architect of Pakistan's most successful terrorist attack on India namely Mumbai, in-your-face kind of power inside Pakistani establishment, getting released

Zaid Hamid - Symbol of Pakistan's so called 'leadership of Islam through military force', the thought process that brings religion and military together for the common man of Pakistan

All three jump at it to name India. On the day that the attack happened. If Pakistan does not deal with the mentality, power and motives these three not just represent bu foster and lead, no other postive leadership can take root in Pakistan. The Imran Khan's will have to compromise speeches with Taleban; the Nawas Shariff's will have to keep biding time; Benazir Bhutto's have to keep getting slaughtered; Haqqanis' (ambassador) have to be in exile...

If you don't talk about it now, when?

Anyone who gloats on this is an inhuman piece of garbage. But anyone who prevents this all important discussion is a clueless piece of junk

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aa gae aap apna junk digest karne ke liye. The junk that can't be digested without badmouthing Pakistan. keep it up.

Re: Peshawar attack scares the hell out of the likes of Hafiz Saeed, Musharraf

Umeed pe duniya qaayam hai...

Re: Peshawar attack scares the hell out of the likes of Hafiz Saeed, Musharraf

which umeed you are talking about. Your founding leaders umeed that Pakistan will not survive few moths and their blockade of funds to paralyze our country in its infancy?

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please! read what was posted. Musharraf, hafis saeed and zaid hamid badmouthed India. I am pointing at these three and what they represent. That is not bad mouthing Pakistan.

We all have an empty dry sad feeling about the horror - don't mistake that. But we have to do something about it. Just patting each other in the back does not change anything.

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You are right. The genuine support will not last for very long - because of exactly the kind of attitude that you are displaying in your post. So lets just enjoy it while it lasts.

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Thanks for your genuine support with rubbing salt on wounds. Next time don't show us this ridiculous support.

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What came first ? Siachen or Kargil ?

What came first ? Samjhota Express or Mumbai ?
Have the perpetrators of Samjhota Express been hanged yet ?

Why did former home ministry under-secretary RVS Mani say that former Central Bureau investigator Satish Verma informed him that Mumbai and parliament attacks were false flags orchestrated by India itself ?

It is a known fact that India foments terrorism in Balochistan via its 18 something 'diplomatic' missions in Afghanistan.
There is no doubt there. Pakistan has already experienced the dirty/evil role that India played in East Pakistan through terrorists trained in India and its own soldiers disguised as Mukti Bahni.

Enough of self-righteous and sanctimonious lecturing by doodh-ke-dhulay uber-nationalistic Indian trolls.
Go bully and spam your friends at BharatRakhShakh.com or something.
You will feel right at home there.

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