Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
Forget about the time zone, Goegraphy etc etc if u r not fasting defenitaly ur not intrested in moon sighting as well and when its starting giving u light then Mr. muneebu rehman can see it as well my grand paa(89years old). this Eidet mufti just dont have time for moon sighting rather he is busy with another ediot--- for got the name on Geo
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
Moonsighting is an Arts not Science , and if 70+ person saying that we have seen the moon how can u reject their shadat according to Sharia ? Mr GEO MUllah
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
Eid moon could not be seen at most places of Punjab and Pakhtonkhawh on even on the so called Eid evening however on the places where it could be seen it was very thin and for a very little time.Where are those who seen it one day before ?
Jhootay ka munh kala
**Pakistan got it dead right this year :k: **Eid is on Monday Sep 21
**UK, US, Saudia, Gulf States, Peshawar and Afghanistan all got it wrong IMO…**and I dare say not for the first time! A very thin Shawwal moon was sighted in Pakistan on Sunday (clear images were shown on TV as well) which could NOT have been sighted anywhere-else a day before (Saturday) not least for the important reason that moonset was before sunset on Saturday (as also rightly pointed out by Bulld0zer, Mostar and Saleem in this thread)
So it’s no surprise that many muslims in Woking (a town in Surrey) which has a strong Pakistani community are celebrating Eid tomorrow (Monday) and quite rightly so IMO
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In America, we celeberated Eid yesterday (Sunday). Some also celeberated Eid on Saturday. Perhaps convinience of holildays so that Monday should not be missed for work.:)
Eid moon could not be seen at most places of Punjab and Pakhtonkhawh on even on the so called Eid evening however on the places where it could be seen it was very thin and for a very little time.Where are those who seen it one day before ? Jhootay ka munh kala
Yes thats the main thing.
Morocco and Sultante of Oman also did not blindly follow KSA. They are doing it on Monday today.
Pakistan is always right in this regard.
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
Shawwal Waxing (NEW) Crescent Observation Results
So far, the earliest sighting of the crescent -after sunset- was on Saturday 19 September 2009 from Namibia by ICOP Member Mr. Mr. Ahmed Mohamed.
Saturday 19 September 2009:
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[li]Brunei Darussalam: Not seen: Mr. Hazarry Haji Ali Ahmad said that the weather in that afternoon was very cloudy and that Brunei Darussalam will celebrate Eid on the 21st September after the new moon crescent was not sighted [/li]
[li]Indonesia: [ol][/li][li]Not seen: Mr. AR Sugeng Riyadi used telescope. The weather was partly cloudy and the horizon hazy [/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Bambang Eko used telescop. It was totally cloudy and the horizon hazy.[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Susiknan Azhari. Telescope was used but weather was partly cloudy and the horizon hazy[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Nular Bary said: “I went to my normal observation point to try and sight the Hilal of Shawwaal the westen sky was very clear but couldn’t see the New Moon, our sun set was at 6.09 Pm.I observed from 6.19 to 6.50 Pm”[/li][/ul]
[li]Malaysia: [LIST=1][/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Abdul Majid Abdul Wahid said: “The hilal was not seen because of heavy cloud. Eid in Malaysia was announce to be on Sunday 20/09/2009” [/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Kassim Bahali said: “the hilal sighting committe and muslim communities gathered here to observed the hilal but the hilal was not seen. The western sky was partly cloudy and the sunset was seen at west horizon. The hilal was not seen even through the, Meade 8” LX200, Takahasi 60mm and Theodolite . The 1st Shawal 1430 begins on Sunday, September 20, 2009, was officially announced by the authority through the radio and TV channels”[/li][/ol]
[li]India: [ol][/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Mohammed Mohsin Khan said: “Here in Mumbai Sunset was at 06:38 pm LT and Moonset was at 06:52 pm LT . So there was only 14 mins difference . It was certain that the crescent would not be sighted anywhere in India today . I tried to sight the moon due to the 29th day according to the Ummul-Qura calendar but Shawwaal crescent has not been sighted in India” [/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Mohamed Amin said: “In Mangalore India the climate was very hazy and CLOUDY and even sky was not seen only Clouds”[/li][/ol]
[li]Pakistan: Not seen: Mr. Alam Sultan said: “On my request, Today (Sunday 20 September 2009 = 29 Ramadhan 1430 in Pakistan) many hundred persons (Members of the moon-sighting committees of our institute “JAMIA-TUR-RASHEED” + my friends + their companions) tried to sight the moon all over Pakistan and resultantly easily sighted the crescent at more than 25 places. As it was very cloudy in Karachi and some other places hence I and my other friends could not sight the moon in Karachi and some other places. At many places of Sarhad, the weather was clear but many observers could not sight the crescent, the reason may be non expertise of the observers and the low altitude of moon. It is also announced officially that tomorrow i.e. Monday is Eid in Pakistan” [/li]
[li]Iran: [ol][/li][li]Seen: Mr. Alireza Mehrani said: "As it has been foreseen and expected before, the crescent of Shawal 1430 has been observed by 6 Iranian experienced observers on Saturday 19 Sept. by using telescope.[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Nima Mosayebi. Weather was totally cloudy and hazy Because of the rainy and cloudy weather in the northern part of Iran, other groups which were in this area were not able to observe the crescent. I would like to emphasize that this observation was direct and it was not image-processing " [/li][/ol]
[li]Sri Lanka: Not seen: Mr. Nular Bary said: “I went to my normal observation point to try and sight the Hilal of Shawwaal the westen sky was very clear but couldn’t see the New Moon, our sun set was at 6.09 Pm.I observed from 6.19 to 6.50 Pm.Neither reported seen from any where in the Island, hence Sri Lanka Jamiathululama declared to complete the month of Ramadan 30 days and celebrate Eid (1st of Shawwaal) on Monday the 21st.of September 2009 “Inshallah”” [/li]
[li]Namibia : Seen: Mr. Ahmed Mohamed said: “Moon was sighted in Windhoek Namibia at about 19:25” [/li]
[li]Tanzania : Not Seen: Mr. Zaffar Sheriff said: “slight haze and little cloud about 10deg above the horizon and thick cloud sitting on real horizon prevented us 25 people to witness the 8deg crescent” [/li]
[li]Kenya : Not Seen: Mr. Mahmood Essa said: “It was not possible to observe the new crecent here in mombasa, kenya owing to cloudy conditions” [/li]
[li]Senegal : Not Seen: Mr. Ibrahima Thierno LO said: “Seeing the crescent by naked eyes was tried by our group, but it was not seen. The western horizon was cloudy in Dakar. The National Committee have accepted the claim of ordinary public of a sighting from some localities and announced Eid, Sunday 20 September 2009” [/li]
[li]Trinidad and Tobago : [ol][/li][li]Not Seen: Mr. Kahiam Hosein said: “The following are reports received locally and regionally: SIGHTING WAS ACCEPTED FROM GUYANA. Trinidad – The moon was not sighted. The sky was cloudy. Tobago- The moon was not sighted. The sky was cloudy Barbados - The moon was not sighted. The sky fairly clear. Grenada – The moon was not sighted. The sky was cloudy Guyana - Sighting was confirmed.[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Abdurrahman ali. Weather was partly cloudy and hazy.[/li][/ol]”
[li]Nigeria : [ol][/li][li]Not Seen: Sheik. Abdul-Rasaq Abdul-Azeez said: “I and my colleque Ustaz Monsuru Majolagbe Tried seach the crescent of shawwal on 19-09-09 infront of Shamsudeen mosque Ojogbe Area of Ikorodu along with us Ustaz Ishaq Hussein (Abu-Bushra) but the moon was not seen but Our member called me from Bauchi,Maiduguri,Kaduna report the same negative” [/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Simwal Jibril tried Binocular but couldn’t see the cresent, weather was cloudy.[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Qamardeen Yaskin Muhammad said: “The western sky remain totally overcast hence no Hilal of shawwal was visible at this part of world”[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Majolagbe Monsur said: “I and my colleague shaekh abd azeez ishola including ustas ishaq husaen began sighting by 6:44pm though, we have been at the sighting ground around 6:20 pm yuet all our efforts proved abortive”[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Mutoha Arkanuddin said: “The crescent not seen because the Western horizon sky was cloudy”[/li][/ol]
[li]South Africa : Seen: Dr. Abdurrazak Ebrahim said: “Crescent was first seen by naked-eye at LT 19h05 until it disappeared into a bank of haze at 19h14” [/li]
[li]Bahrain : Not seen: Mr. A.Hameed Haji said: “Waliaser group tried to observe the new crescent,but the sky was cloudy and Hazy” [/li]
[li]Oman : [ol][/li][li]Not-Seen: Mr. Mohammed Al-Bussaidi said: “The weather was excellent as the there was no clouds, dust, or wind. But we could not sight the crescent moon”. The instrument used was telescope [/li][li]Not-Seen: Mr. Saleh Said Hamed Al-Shidhani said: "several teams of Astronomers went to observe the thin crescent from different locations, both land and high mountians (2000m, 3000 m above see level) Some places (including the heighest Jabal Shams) were cloudy. Other places the sky was very clear but still it was not seen even with a telescope. “[/li][/ol]
[li]Libya: Not seen: Mr. Salem Sahid, the weather was partly cloudy [/li]
[li]Algeria: Not seen: Mr. Bankih Kacem said:“11 persons had tried to see this crescent, with naked eyes and (20x60 and 7x50) binoculars, but it was not observed. The western horizon was hazy” [/li]
[li]Spain: [ol][/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Abdel Karim As-Saraqusti said: “Assalamu Alaykum, sighting was tried, but it’s totally cloudy in the horizon, only a few clear zones but no moon was seen there, tried about 20 minutes before sunset” [/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Muhammad del Pozo. Weather was very hazy and totally cloudy.[/li][/ol]
[li]Norway: Not seen: Mr.Milad Ershaghi because the weather was totally cloudy [/li]
[li]United Kingdom: [ol][/li][li]Not seen: Dr. Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti said: “A group of us attempted to perform the obligatory sighting of Shawwal after Iftar on Saturday 19 September (the 29th day of Ramadan in the UK). Although the horizon is clear, the crescent could not be sighted” [/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Suliman Gani. Weather was totally cloudy.[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Qamar Uddin said: “This is a combined report from ICOUK members from different parts of UK. On Saturday 19 September 2009 many hundreds of Muslims in UK have tried to sight the crescent moon (Hilal) of Shawwal 1430 AH after sunset, but there were no positive naked eye sighting report received…”[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Suliman Gani said: “Over a hundred (100) observers attempted to sight the hilal on 29 Ramadaan corresponding to Saturday 19 September 2009 in South London at the Tooting Islamic Centre. Hilal was not seen. It was totally cloudy. The observers were given some basic guidelines on moonsighting”[/li][/ol]
[li]Guyana: Not seen: Mr. Muhammad Hafiz. The weather was partly cloudy and hazy [/li]
[li]Ghana: Not seen: Mr. Abdul-Aziz Anyang said: “Yesterday, Saturday September 19th, 2009 the weather in Accra was very cloudy. One of our group members (Mohammed) in the Northern region of Ghana (Tamale) which is about 570km from Accra called me around sunset local time and said that though the weather condition is very very clear, they did not see the new crescent” [/li]
[li]USA: [ol][/li][li]Not seen: Dr.Hussain Dashti said:“The Hilal was not seen from Gainesville, Florida. The sky was Cloudy. In addition, the crescent was difficult to sight from Florida anyways” [/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Javad Torabinejad said: “This evening (Saturday, September 19, 2009), I tried sighting the moon in Christiansburg, VA with no success. The western horizon was covered by clouds and thus I could not sight the moon”[/li][li]Seen: Mr. Mohib Dorrani said: “Both Imam Suleiman and Br. Abdul Basit first sighted the Hilal with binoculars and then were also able to sight the Hilal with unaided eyes”[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Isa Alsup. The weather was clear but the horizon was hazy[/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Jaffer Dharamsi. Weather was cloudy and hazy[/li][li]Seen: Mr. Jim Stamm. Observed using 8” SC telescop. Mr. Jim said: “Hilaal was very difficult to find and to see, Four other observers were not able to focus the image out of the haze. Although the sky was clear in the direction of the Moon, there was much more water vapor in the western air than the 20% given above. The crescent was just a little bit more yellow than the reddish background, providing very little contrast. Even without the water vapor, I do not believe that the crescent could have been seen with the unaided eye anywhere in North America.”[/li][li]Not seen: Dr. John Caldwell. The instrument used was binoculars. Weather was partly cloudy.[/li][/ol]
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Sunday 20 September 2009:
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[li]Australia: Seen: Mr. Idris Ellis said: “This was the second day of Shawal, at Isha; the crescent for the first day was sighted at Geraldton & Port Hedland in Western Australia”. Observation was with naked eye [/li]
[li]Indonesia: Seen: Mr. Mutoha Arkanuddin said: “From the 2nd floor Mosque near my home, the crescent 1,8 days old seen with easy by naked eye after jamiah Maghrib prayer”. [/li]
[li]India: Seen: Mr. Mohammed Mohsin Khan said: “Sunday 20 September 2009 / 29 Ramadaan 1430 in India. Here in Mumbai Sunset was at 06:37 p.m LT and Moonset was at 07:33 pm LT. So there was 56 mins difference, Sky was clear and Crescent has been sighted in Mumbai and in Most Parts of India. Official Moon-Sighting Committee have officially announced that Sunday 20 September 2009 was 29th Ramadaan 1430 and 1st Shawwaal 1430 will fall on Monday 21 September 2009. So Eid-ul-Fitr will be celebrated on 21 September in India” [/li]
[li]Pakistan: Not seen: Mr. Alam Sultan. Weather was totally cloudy [/li]
[li]Bangladesh: Seen: Mr. ABM Hassan said: “The crescent was seen on 20Th September,Sunday.Though The sky was partly cloudy but it did not make any hindrance to see the moon.Bangladesh will observe Eid-Ul-Fitr on Monday, 21 September” [/li]
[li]Nigeria: Not seen: Mr. Abdul-Rasaq Abdul-Azeez said: “I and my Dear Friend Sheik Yunus Abdul-Salam along with other brothers sighted the Shawwal crescent on 20-09-09 arround Itumaja area of Ikorodu ,lagos” [/li]
[li]Hungary: Not seen: Dr. M. Al-Majari. Used naked eye. Weather was clear. [/li]
[li]Germany: [ol][/li][li]Not seen: Mr. Gerhard Ahmad Kaufmann. Weather was totally cloudy [/li][li]Seen: Mr. Martin Elsaesser said: “The weather was extremely hazy and some clouds were near the horizon. I observed the crescent through real-time video (contrast enhanced) during the day, as the only chance to get through the haze. The crescent vanished behind trees some 30 minutes before sunset. No chance to visually see this crescent with that much haze, but video made the observation possible. My 9 month old son also watched the screen, but probably was not as satisfied as his dad ;-)”[/li][li]Not seen: Mr.Samy Khadem-Al-Charieh. The sky was clear of clouds but the horizon hazy.[/li][/ul]
[li]Ghana: Not seen: Mr. Abdul-Aziz Anyang said: “Today Sunday 20th September, 2009 we again had cloudy weather in Accra and as we were looking for the new crescent around our local time (18:07) after sunset, Mohammed called from Tamale to report that as he was speaking to me, the new crescent is up there and it has been seen. Unfortunately, that Saturday September 19, 2009 a group from the Ashanti region (Kumasi) reported to the regional Imam that they have sighted the crescent and also with some information from Saudi Arabia to back up their claim decided to end the fast but will celebrate Eid on Monday although some prayed today-Sunday, 20th Sept, 2009”[/li][/ol]
ICOP: Visibility of Shawal Crescent 1430 AH
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
The OFFICIAL First Day in Different Countries
Saturday 19 September 2009:
Sunday 20 September 2009:
Monday 21 September 2009:
That post needs a thorough linguistic research to understand.
We can reject it because it was not possible to see the moon on that day. A very little brain is required to understand this. Did you see the moon captured on TV? Can you claim that it was of the second Shawal?
These 70+ people were probably dying to eat some NASWAR! 
hahahahahahahaaaa
sorry serious topic ne
but… the logic hahahahahahaa
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
Now see the comments of Hassan Nisar on this situation.
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if u have brain and dont eat PAAN then u can understand that moon captured by tv camera cant be the 1st of Shawal..
and about NASWAR WALA …have u heard PATHAN JANI AWO RAMAZAN JANI…T
if u have brain and dont eat PAAN
LOL! I was talking about the people who claimed to saw the moon on day before. But you look more hurt ...
Do you think that those who don't eat Naswar, eat PAAN? So according to you there are only two types of people living in Pakistan?
then u can understand that moon captured by tv camera cant be the 1st of Shawal..
Is that an argument because you didn't tell me why is it not 1st Shawwal Moon. I can't extract this information from the above statement. Is this statement above my intellectual ability to comprehend logic?
and about NASWAR WALA ...have u heard PATHAN JANI AWO RAMAZAN JANI...T
Actually I was hoping that you would explain your first post in simple easy to understand English rather than listen to your rants.
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
*Do you think that those who don't eat Naswar, eat PAAN? So according to you there are only two types of people living in Pakistan?
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nonono there is a third type aswel living mostly in **Hazara division*.........u know that, dont u
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Today, world is so advance that even eclipse can be predicted years ahead. To know where the Moon is at any particular time of the day is basic science. Obviously, no one could have really seen Moon in NWFP on Saturday, as there was no Moon above horizon in NWFP that anyone could have seen it on Saturday. That is different matter that we are talking about NWFP, where logic or scientific realities does not work. Sometime people in this area can see back of a donkey and can claim that they saw Moon. There is possibility that someone might claim that they saw Moon but in reality they saw their neighbour ‘Moon Khan’ or saw their wife whom they in love might be calling ‘Chaand’.
Anyhow, here is discussion on Moon sighting in NWFP and logical answer by someone (Dr Muhammad Farooq Khan) from NWFP who celebrated Eid on Sunday … even though admitting that Moon sighting in NWFP could not be anything but illusion (last video) … though most surprising thing is that, why this illusion only occurs in NWFP every year and not anywhere else in Pakistan.
Please watch the video below and next video carefully to know that why Moon was impossible to sight in NWFP on Saturday, and one reason given by Dr M F Khan why some may have claimed sighting of the Moon.
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
People of chitral and gilgit never saw the hilal along with others in NWFP. Their mountains are higher than others.
Re: Peshawar: Announcement of EID on 20, September.
This issue has been solved more than a thouand years ago.Every Aamil has to announce the moon according to his public moon sighting and the area has to follow.Nowa days every countary has to annouce according to their local moon sighting.
Issue is Mullahs who have splitted Muslims into firqas and groups for their own benifets.
