Persecution of Ahmadis Continues Unabated

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Shame. Shame. Shame.

Now it seems members of the poor Ahmadiyya minority community can’t even celebrate Eid without, in this case, being harassed by the police no less, and that too in Lahore, the “cultural capital” of Pakistan. Is the Pakistani police supposed to look after law and order or are they there to further exacerbate the plight of minorities?

No ‘Qurbani’ for you: Police stop Ahmadis from ritual sacrificing in Lahore – The Express Tribune

Where is the outrage from the conspiracy theorists and all those shameless begaiyrats twice thrice Malala’s age who just recently took inordinate pleasure demonizing a 16-year old girl? Not even a squeak of condemnation moreover from all the custodians of ‘religion of peace.’ Doesn’t this harassment of minorities in their lovely “land of the pure” hurt their inflated egos and should be a cause of concern for them too?

Of course, the persecution of Ahmedis is constitutionally enshrined and a decades-long practice in Pakistan. And the deafening silence that follows each new appalling incident of harassment that comes to fore is hardly a new phenomenon either. In recent months, for example, Ahmedis got issued separate voting lists. Their graves got vandalized. Their minarets got demolished with the police’s blessings. But of course no condemnation. No Supreme Court’s ‘Suo Motos.’ Not even a thread or two with a couple of lines of half-hearted condemnation…

Sad indeed. From what I have read, Mr. Jinnah envisaged a progressive Pakistan where all Pakistanis were supposed to have equal status irrespective of their faith or background. He would not have condoned the unwavering erosion of basic human rights in Pakistan.

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poor community? tell that to their chanda collecting divine leader masroor ahmed siting in UK enjoying his rule. please stop crying for a community that wants to break pakistan as much as the apparent enemies.

it’s only persecution for the minority liberal party of pakistan who will do anything to remove islam from the country.. that claim is light as a feather coming from that lot.

yes jinnah had a vision but the pakistan awam are not langray loolay, they can make sound decisions for themselves. ahmedis = out of islam is one of those decisions you have to respect and live by!

don’t bring malala into this, she is a tool sold by her father against the country. she and father should be tried for treason!

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I wonder if you would naozobillah use the same words to describe the collection of funds in the early days of islam by the Prophet (saw) himself. You only have your stingy oil rich neighbors to blame for not helping out the poor in muslim countries.

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it's only persecution for the minority liberal party of pakistan who will do anything to remove islam from the country.. that claim is light as a feather coming from that lot.
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Muslims themselves are doing a pretty good job of removing islam from the country. They dont need help in that department.

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yes jinnah had a vision but the pakistan awam are not langray loolay, they can make sound decisions for themselves. ahmedis = out of islam is one of those decisions you have to respect and live by!
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This goes right to the top of best jokes list

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don't bring malala into this, she is a tool sold by her father against the country. she and father should be tried for treason!
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Had your brethren in Islam not shot the school girl, we wouldnt even be discussing her. Instead of calling her a tool, why dont you utter a word or two about the barbarism committed by your fellow muslims.

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I wonder if you would naozobillah use the same words to describe the collection of funds in the early days of islam by the Prophet (saw) himself. You only have your stingy oil rich neighbors to blame for not helping out the poor in muslim countries.

Muslims themselves are doing a pretty good job of removing islam from the country. They dont need help in that department.

This goes right to the top of best jokes list

Had your brethren in Islam not shot the school girl, we wouldnt even be discussing her. Instead of calling her a tool, why dont you utter a word or two about the barbarism committed by your fellow muslims.
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joke of the century is you putting masroor ahmed and his cult in the same category as the prophet and his religion.

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Sadly, no condemnation of this latest incident of harassment of Ahmadis but a lot of paranoid rambling.

First, NO, Ahmadis do not want to break Pakistan. That's just nonsense.

Second, the persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan is naked, blatant, at least partly state-sanctioned persecution anyway you try to sugar-coat it. The second amendment of the Pakistan Constitution, the desecration of Ahmadis' graves, the demolishment of their minarets are all infringement of their basic human rights and part of a carefully orchestrated campaign of persecution against them.

Third, obviously the vision of Mr. Jinnah, a venerable leader and the founder of Pakistan, holds a lot more currency than that of some bigots who think discriminating against minorities should not be a cause of any concern. Now as long as someone is not shoving down their beliefs on anyone else, they can continue to personally believe who is part of their religion or sect and who is not. But the state or the government of any civilized country, including Pakistan, should not endorse bigotry and should not enshrine discrimination against a minority group in the constitution of the country.

Fourth, Malala Yousufzai is a thousand times more worthy of respect and admiration than the haters and bigots who despise and demonize her. Obviously, the parasitic people who have a soft corner for the taliban savages who attacked her would not like her.

Finally, it won't hurt anyone to have a little empathy and compassion for the besieged minorities of Pakistan. How does it feel to be an Ahmadi in Pakistan? Are they not fellow human beings and Pakistanis too? I don't see any reason why Ahmadis shouldn't have equal rights as other groups in Pakistan.

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Those demanding TTP to accept pakistan law should also ask ahmedis to do the same.it is according to pakistan laq that they can not do rituals similar to muslims just becuase they are presenting some thing against islamic belief as islam.
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kia ye khula tazad nahi

**EDIT:***LAW does not clearly state stopping them from qurbani, if it is not in the law then they should’nt be stopped like this.
It is painful to see how islam is being misused.

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***EDIT:***LAW does not clearly state stopping them from qurbani, if it is not in the law then they should’nt be stopped like this.
It is painful to see how islam is being misused.
Ordinance XX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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That’s right. It’s painful to see religion being misused to persecute the helpless Ahmadiyya minority group in Pakistan who just want to go about their lives.

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Those demanding TTP to accept pakistan law should also ask ahmedis to do the same.it is according to pakistan laq that they can not do rituals similar to muslims just becuase they are presenting some thing against islamic belief as islam.

kia ye khula tazad nahi
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Anyone who wants to live in any country must abide by the laws of the land. And Ahmadis do. They are a peaceful minority who never tried to impose their beliefs on anyone. It would be disingenuous therefore to claim otherwise and it’s moreover extremely insulting to invoke or liken them to any violent savage group while discussing them. Ahmadis have been enduring injustices for decades in Pakistan but the reason why it’s important for the civil society to peacefully raise a voice against the draconian injustices visiting upon the Ahmadiyya community and the general persecution afflicting them in Pakistan is because the nations that survive and thrive are the ones that enjoin equal rights and don’t repress their minorities. All hard working, peaceful citizens of the state deserve equal rights. It’s as simple as that.

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Ahmadis abide by the law as much as it could be. They have been stopped from having a jalsa in Pakistan and they don’t do that. Word ‘Islam’ is omitted from its daily Al-fazal and written on the face ‘for ahmadis only’ to avoid much talked about ‘confusion’ among sarkari muslims. They don’t go in the streets like hooligans and destroy property of others in the name of defending the honor of the prophet (pbuh). They don’t kill and loot people in the name of their religion or for the oppression they are facing. The response that came from them after May 28th, 2010 mass killings was exemplary and unheard of among the torch bearers of Islam.
The ordinance XX is a blatant violation of the constitution that claim to ensure freedom of the practice of religion. Declaring someone a non-muslim is one thing but telling him what should he believe in and what not is not just ridiculous but shameful. Whether you consider me a muslim or not but I believe in Allah, the holy prophet (pbuh), Quran etc. It is my right to offer prayer the way I believe in, it is my right to fast and do qurbani as per my beliefs. how can anyone including state tell me that I should act against my beliefs and as per their wishes when I am not disturbing peace of the society neither challenging writ of the state. Can you declare a man, a woman and then force him to give birth to a baby. simply preposterous.

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again if you didn't read my post clearly I'll state again.. persecution is only in the eyes of those paranoid hypocrites aka liberals who themselves are in minority. im not sucar coating anything, infact im being bold in supporting a valid law which ahmedis and the likes of you should respect if they want to remain citizen of that country.

stop recycling what you think is right. your voicing against a majority, you think your line of thoughts holds any value in pakistan? no it doesn't, thank Allah for that. Pakistan is majority Muslim country, the people will not bow down to anti-islam worshiping democracy.

malala lala drama drama. it's only a money making machine that's all.

i agree that majority should treat minorities with as much respect as they give their fellow brothers. but law should be imposed when there's a need. for example erecting minarets is a no-no, ahmedis know this and still do it.

lastly, ahmedis are not poor. if they need assistance they can ask masroor ahmed and his clan to donate some instead of going on world tours and building million dollar empty temples around the world.

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...stop recycling what you think is right. your voicing against a majority, you think your line of thoughts holds any value in pakistan? no it doesn't, thank Allah for that. Pakistan is majority Muslim country, the people will not bow down to anti-islam worshiping democracy.

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No doubt Pakistan is going down the drain thanks to those who were not in favor of the creation of this country in the first place.

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this post shd be gold-plated forever so that it can be shown to coming generations why Pakistan failed (allah na karay)

this post has everything..conspiracy theory, hatred/disdain for other sects/minorities, my way or highway type mentality, labeling secularism as "a cancer and against islam"....it got everything!

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i take it as a compliment coming from you. thank you sir jee

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Its not only Pakistan. These retarded jihadis fail every country where they are able to grow their cancer.

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This tirade does not change the fact that the blatant persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan is humanitarian concern, not just a “liberal” one. And the bigots who condone or cheerlead discrimination against Ahmadis would not be doing that if they were an Ahmadi living in Pakistan. Hypocrisy, thus, is clearly at play here. What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander too.

What has Pakistan’s Ordinance XX and its second amendment achieved for Pakistan? Pakistan still has among the worst socio-economic indicators, a basket case economy, religious and sectarian intolerance tinderbox, no sense of security and safety, poverty and school-enrollment rates that rival the worst of the worst in Sub-Saharan Africa. What difference would it have made if there were no Ordinance XX? Yes, its absence would’ve deprived obnoxious bigots one more opportunity to massage their already over-inflated egos, but if it were not there, the lives of Pakistani Ahmadis would not have been made hell in Pakistan.

There should be constitutional protections to protect a community from tyranny from another. Faith is a personal matter. The very fundamental responsibility of any civilized state is to ensure equal rights for all peaceful citizens. And anyone who condones discrimination against a peaceful section of society i.e. Ahmadiyya community in Pakistan is in need of some serious self-introspection because there’s nothing noble in bigotry.

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very well said and to the point..what have we achieved economically, strategically, politically, and socially by these constitutional amendments? NOTHING. except some fake religious satisfaction that now we are now somehow more passionate Muslims.

economically..zero impact..if anything negative impact as many wealthy minorites left pakistn and took money away
strategically....negative...West hates us, very low international approval for these amendments, bad press
politically...negative, more unrest and segregation, minorities cannot be elected to many posts
socially... negative negative....horrible for minorities and religious intolerance 10x more

la howla walla qowata illa billah!

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now that i call a tirade!

lol, the liberals keep going in circles, how in the world do you go from that law to pakistan's economy is beyond me. but that was expected because you guys have no solutions just arrogance with white man's second hand thoughts to spew.

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hindus, shias , masisihis are abused sare aam . kaha ka constitution kaha ka protection .

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so no Qadiyani was able to do Qurbani all over Pakistan this time. :hmmm: Probably, there would be a ban on Diwali and Christmas this year as our constitution supports such ban :chai:

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That would be exaggeration.

These were (very unfortunate) but few incidents. We need much better education systems to eliminate this mindset. What do you expect from madrassa graduates, who are most of the times are taught why the 'other sect' is wrong, and perhaps wajib-ul-qatl because of that.

On a side note, it is interesting that Ahmadis continue to insist they are Muslims as well as a 'minority'. I have yet to reconcile this.

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It is simple.

Laws protect people... people invest in a country only if their lives and capital are protected. Investments lead to economic development.

Laws that do not protect people result in reduction in invested capital from not only those people but others who feel unprotected in such an environment.