Re: People who suck up to the managers…
Sadi
***Erm excuse me, but isn't this showing that this person is sincere? He or she could easily have colluded with you guys behind the managers back, but chose to parrot the managers views without him/her even being there. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe this employee has a similar viewpoint to your manager?** :ahaa:
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No, that’s not true. The only reason that person does this is b/c we have joint meetings with the manager which is the only timr we get to talk about all issues and that person says their opinion in those meetings so its pretty obvious that they can’t do a 180 degree turn at the lunch table when the manager is not around. So the only reason they say the same thing is to save face in front of us and not appear like a turncoat.
You can have a viewpoint similar to the manager once or twice or thrice but not ALL the time in EVERY snigle scenario specially in certain cases when its more than obvious that even you are also the loser by that decision of the manager.
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** Irem, abhi thak thu bachi hai, nehi samjhe gi. You live in a society where you don’t even have to work, daddy can provide for you today, husband next year, and kids in twenty years time. I, on the other hand don’t have that pleasure. My pops is retired, hubby will probably be some freshy (unskilled manual worker at best), and generally speaking, kids raised in this country can’t even to look after themselves, let alone their parents. I work out of necessity, not choice. It’s not about me wanting to be ‘independent’.
If I want that beach front retirement house in Wales, then * I * am the one who's gonna have to work her butt off to get it. **
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Sadi bachon wali baatein toh tu ker rai hae samajhnay kee koshish tu khud kar.
All sets of behavior should be defined by ethics, go after the retirement house in Wales, work you bu** off to get it as well, but if the only way to get that retirement house is by being unethical then sorry live in a 1 room flat in East London instead and forget about the retirement house in Wales.
BTW yaar what makes you think I or Pakistani women who do work work to be ‘independent’ and we live in a society where we don’t even have to work, and as you said “daddy can provide for you today, husband next year, and kids in twenty years time.”? Yaar if you think that then you are not well informed enough about Pakistan or Pakistani society. That is stuff thats written in books or magazines, its not the truth.
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** However, working your butt off isn’t always enough. I can name plenty of people who are Mashallah so hard working, but don’t progress because they don’t know when to shut up, or when to stroke somebody’s ego. Alhumdillilah I have that skill in abundance, and I intend to use it. **
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Anyone can have that skill if they want to Sadi, its just I don't think its a skill that one should be employing.
Just be honest and nice, why does one need to lie or deceive to reach their goal?
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You might think I have no integrity, but I really don’t give a crap what people think. Like I said earlier, I’ve gotta look after number one.**
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Well sure, you’re responsible for your own actions. I have my own opinions about what behavior I consider right and what I consider wrong.
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And, another thing, why do you assume that sucking up means being insincere? Managers aren’t dumb – they know when people are being genuine, and I’m pretty certain they’re not going to promote someone they believe can’t be trusted. **
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Sadi, the person I opened the thread about was being insincere. And there’s a difference between being nice, respectful, courteous, even being extra nice…and SUCKING UP…CHAMCHAGEERI…
Sure, by all means, go and talk to your manager everyday, give them gifts, never disagree with them even.
But knowing that the sky is blue, but calling the sky geen just coz your manager said so, and then telling your workmates that the sky is green too. That is just wrong and that’s what chamchageeri is.
There is a fine line between correct and wrong behavior here.
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** Personally, I reckon you’re just jealous :p***
I’m not. I got a higher raise recently than this person and I earn a higher salary than this person, and there is no reason for me to be jealous.
I was just mad at the person's attitude.
I (and the third person in our department) spoke to them today about it as well, and they defended themselves by saying that they honestly believe what the manager was saying. We were like yeah right whatever.
