I am amazed how repulsed we (desis) are by other desis.
This thread is of course inspired by the "Top 3 likes/dislikes about your home town" thread where many people are listing 'not many desis' or 'too many desis' in their hometown as likes and dislikes respectively.
Each one of us (desis) seem to think that "we" are somehow better than other desis. Even in the workplace I find desis are more respectful, polite and professional when attending to goras but will take their desi co-workers for granted.
btw, I am not taking the high ground here.....I also get pissed by other Desis very easily.....for example I often catch myself muttering 'saala desi' when a desi car driver cuts me off on the road....as if it has something to do with the person's 'desi' upbringing.
So my questions are :
(1) Why do we hate our own breed so much
(2) Why do we think we are somehow removed from other desis and therefore should not be equated with them.
Comments welcome.
Bohat zabardast question kia hai. Thanks kay itna achcha sawal kia hai.
Mera naheen khiaal kay hum hate kartay hain apnay hi logon say. Haan na pasand kar saktay hain unki harkaton ki wajah say.
Hate karnay walay apnay hi logon say bohat kum log hon gay.
Main to bilkul bhi hate naheen karti apnay logon say balkay her kisi say ghairon say bhi naheen. Haan mohabbat karti hoon sub say no matter kay wo achchay hain kay buray. Hate karti hoon sirf unki buraion say.
Hum sub logon ki buraion ki wajah say hi hate kartay hain aisay hi naheen kioon kay hum pagal naheen hain.
Aap kay sawal ka jawab hum apnay logon ki buraion ki wajah say hate kartay hain. Laikin saray desis say kisi aik ya kai ki buraion ki wajah say karna intehai ahmaqana soch hai.
Wo bura ho sakta hai ya kuch buray ho saktay hain per saray buraay naheen ho saktay khuwah wo par'hay likhay hon kay unpar'h ya par'hay likhay jahil.
2. Main naheen samajhti kay hamain apnay hi logon say naheen milana chahyay kay hum unsay alaga hain. Hum alag hona bhi chahain to naheen ho saktay kioon kay hamara sara undaz sub kuch waisa hi hai yahan rah kar bhi undaz aur adatain naheen jateen. Haan in mahol main rah kar thor'i changing ya tameez ya kuch aur cheezain seekh latain hain to "BADLAY BALAY SAY YAR LAGTAIN HAIN' per wo badalna bhi itna badalna naheen hota kay hum main aur un main aik lakeer hi kheench dalay kay ham alag hain.
Yay bhi is wajah say hai kay hum Na to pooray goray kay rung main rung saktay hain kay wo hamain pasand naheen. Na apnon say jaisay mukummul tor par rah patay han is tarha hum adhay teetar adhay batair ho jatain hain.
Hum kitnay bhi goron ka undaz ya libaas ya accent apna lain goray hamain apnon main say naheen manain gay aur na hi hum bun sakain goray to phir farq kaisa, phir khud ko un say alaihaida samajhna kaisa.
Apni ahmaqana soch hai sirf khud ko alag samajhna.
I see what you’re saying; but for me to sleep peacefully at nite I need to console myself that the only similarity i have with indians is my name (parents had a brain cramp when naming me ); aside from that my genes, my background, my identitiy is TOTALLY different from them.
To be honest, and y’all can flame me if you want, but everytime i see a fat indian lady with a fat dot on her forehead, wearing a saree with her fat bloating out, i get the shivers . Maybe its wrong, but those are just honest feelings of mine.
I can respect their culture but when they start including us (Pakistanis) with them, I get pissed. The two countries have different identities and its high time our neighbors realize it.
Nothing wrong with your name, it is a Sanskrit name and Sanskrit is a Pakistani language related to Avestan and Old-Persian..
Indians are just Dravidianzad's who adopted our language, pretty much everything India passes off as "Ancient India" is actually Ancient Pakistan, it's high time we reclaimed what is ours as ours from these culture/heritage thieves.
Our similarities with them are merely because they adopted our language/culture and we live in the same geographical region.
I agree with your comment that Indians can't get over the fact that we are a seperate nation from them, they keep pretending that past South-Asian empires (nepali, afghan, perso-turkic, arab, british) were the equivalent of a country when a country and an empire are different. We are a seperate country, what is our land is our ruins and what is there's is there's..
^believe me I am thankful that Pakistan is a separate country from India and
Mr. Anil Khan and PP, it's people like you that make me wish that Indians and Pakistanis looked completely different from each other since darn nondesis for some reason can't tell the difference just looking at us.
I actually have prayed on countless occasions that the country of India was in a different part of the world just because both countries have had enough wars and since Pakistanis and Indians still feel hatred for each other the wars will never end. Plus, enough innocent Indian and pakistani people have died because of psycho terrorists and there would be no problems in kashmir.
So if it would be possible I wish India was near Canada or something :), for the safety of innocent,nice Indians and Pakistanis. The "innocent,nice" part doesn't apply to you two.
I would not like it at all if somebody called me a "Paki" just because i'm proud of being an Indian American. That Indian side is really important to me as much as the american side.
Sanskrit is not a pakistani language...in your dreams. I guess you didn't pay attention in history class.
lol @ anils parents brain cramp. yes its a borderline name, unfortunately its just on the wrong side of loc!
indian ladies with a spot dont scare me. fat short old black dhottie wearing indian politicians with 4inch red spot bang in the middle of the forehead scare me. vajpayee perfect example
but indians do share allot of common culture with pakistanis and that is the reason we should celebrate this common ground togather.
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I believe when ppl say they hate desis or dislike desis, this is the type of stuff that is going through their minds, and they are not thinking about the civilized, educated and decent desis that one can meet, or excellent desi organizations.
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Every desi considers himself exactly as such...Civilized, educated and decent and the more they believe they are such, the more jahalat they exude...
The most civilized, educated and decent desis I have met have been those who have been very comfortable with who they are...They do not make clumsy attempts to be westernised or fit in, they do not brag about the latest designer shirt they bought and most important of all, they are well groomed and well bred enough to know that every culture is different from the other and they are very comfortable with theirs...They know trying to be something that they are not will not make them look cool like either trying to be white yuppies or black gangstas...
These jahil desis try to outdo each other by trying to beat each other in trying to be more American or British or whatever...As a result they look down on each other...
I love going to desi bazaars for this precise reason and watch how every desi tries to be more Americanised and impress the other...Like, you watch them go to checkout lanes in stores such as Walmart, or Kmart or anyplace...They'll strike up conversations with the cashiers, make small talk, laugh, joke kid around...
Watch these same people at the desi bazaar where the checkout guy or girl is a desi...They don't even have the common courtesy to say thanks...They slam their stuff in front of the cashiers with sullen faces and head out of the store after paying as if nothing on earth is cooler than them...
I have actually noted that most Indians from the south of India, are very genuine...They are the same no matter who they talk to...It's the Pakis who are most lost...lol
I like desis overall but the only thing I personally dislike is when I see desis doing that whole trying to be white thing and making fun of or criticizing desis or anything related to desiism(if there is such a word:D) when they are in the company of nondesis. This is one thing that just burns me up inside and i've seen it quite a few times. I steer clear of these "desi-haters-white-wannabes".
This never works because eventually desis need other desis. I would completely suffocate living in an all white community.
I love being around desis too...Especially the genuine kind, who are comfortable with being desi...You can be relaxed in their company...
^ bhai sahaab; you're making the mistake of calling Pakistanis "desis" when in actual reality its a term that refers to indians. Lets maintain our own identity.
Otherwise, I agree 150% with ur post. It was a pleaure to read.
Anil bhai yay to main nain bhi suna hai kay desi mutlub Indians. Hum khuwah makah ka khud pay Desi ka chap laga rahain hain aur apas main Pakistanion ko desi bana rahain hain.
Bahtar ho ga jinko desi nawaza gia hai unkay kay liaay hai yay aizaz rehnay dain.
Hum Pakistani ya Paki ziada balay Changay lugtay hain.
I don’t hate all Indians, it is their misfortune for being born into that country, I sympathise with them. I only hate those Indians who blame every ill in the world on Pakistan and Muslims, and those Indians that are so blinded by patriotism in the tricolor that they commend and justify the crimes committed by the Indian state against Kashmir and Kashmiris.
The biggest terrorist in the world is India, all the problems in Kashmir are due to the Indian army… Kashmir belongs to the Kashmiri people and to Pakistan (if the Kashmiri people wish).
Killing Indian civilians is wrong and sick, those that do that are indeed terrorists (I bet it’s Indian Army/RAW who do attacks on innocents to malign the Freedom-Fighters)…
…However those that attack the Indian government and armed forces in Kashmir are freedom fighters, their fighting is legitimate and praiseworthy, every Indian soldier sent to Hell is a favour to the world for they are the psycho terrorists, khas kam jahan pak.
India is a terrorist state, those that fight Indian rule are glorious Freedom Fighters.
As for history, it is you who needs to learn proper history instead of the bull that is excreted out of the rear of your local Hindutva Pundit…
Your India is not a country which has existed always and forever like you mistakenly think, both our present states gained independence from Brits in 1947 but our histories didn’t start with that, your land is your ruins and our land is our ruins, most of what you pass off as your heritage is our heritage.
Sanskrit is a Vedic language and the Vedic people settled and assimilated in the Indus-Valley (Ancient Pakistan) and made it their country, Indus-Valley (Ancient Pakistan) was the cradle of the Sanskrit language… It is only later that the Vedic people of Pakistan made other parts of South-Asia (such as India) a part of their Empire (note ‘Empire’ not country) but they did not assimilate amongst the rest of South-Asia and pass their genes on like they did in Pakistan/Indus-Valley… When the Ancient Pakistanis ruled other parts of South-Asia Vedicism together with the Sanskritic languages were imposed on those regions (and the people of the Indian regions have always been a people who will gladly ape those they see as superior), so they converted to this faith integrating their own beliefs and deities into it and composing later Vedas other than the original Reg-Veda thus creating a religion(s) which today has come to be known as ‘Hinduism’ (similar yet different from the Vedantism of Indus-Valley) and they also adopted the Aryanic/Sanskritic languages and that is how pretty much all of Northern India came to speak Sanskritic languages despite them not being of Aryanic descent but rather being pure Dravidians like their Southern countrymen…
With the conversion of Pakistan (Indus-Valley) to Islam, the heritage of the Indus-Valley (even secular things such as language) came to be associated with the present day Indian regions because they still followed the religion(s) that were imposed upon them by our ancestors… Now that is wrong because a religion change doesn’t mean an ethnicity change, ethnicity and religion are distinct, I’ve said this countless times and I will say it again that the Greeks changed their religion but they are still Greek and their history has not changed just because they are Christian and no longer Pagan, similarly we Pakistanis/Indusians are still Indusian even though we are Muslims our history is still the same and I agree we don’t follow the pre-Islamic Pagan religions anymore but there is more to a culture than religion… Just as I wont have ownership to Greek land and heritage if I convert Zeusism and start speaking Greek, Indians do not have ownership to Indus-Valley (Pakistan) heritage and culture just because they follow a religion and a language with roots in Indus-Valley/Pakistan imposed upon them by Ancient Pakistanis.
Now some bits of Ancient Pakistan overflowed into a bit of present day NW India that borders us but the people of those regions are a small minority amongst Indians.
Pakistanis love who they are and are the most patriotic people in the world, we generally don’t have inferiority complexes but the only reason we sometimes like to get away from the Desi identity is because it is shared by our arch-enemy, it’s not our roots we loath but rather the enemy who likes to pretend it shares them with us, well it is high time we reclaimed our history and heritage and we don’t have to give up our Islamic religion for that.
Maybe Indians should go back to speaking Tamil or some other Dravidian language so that Pakistan/Indusiya can declare Sanskrit its national language and me coronated as its Mahraaj.
^^I've already said what I needed to say in reply to the same old garbage that you spew out and I really don't want to waste anymore space on this forum replying to your bigoted, delusional views.
It is not I who is delusional rather you self styled Hindutva historians who cook up absurd theories contrary to archaeology and genetics. You have a false and overtly glamorous image of India whereas in reality present day India has no ancient history, it is a lowly land with base people who are most unlovely (joke)…
It’s all about Pakistan baby…. Jallo, jalti raho bibi, koi Pakistani ladka milta hai to uss ki madad se thandey ho jao naheen to barnole laga lo…
I dont hate them, but I have my sympathy for people like you, who have a sad existence in this word, who live in a dream land built around some false pretense of bravado and history.
blah, blah blah, irrelevant.
Neither was pakistan. I couldnt find Pakistan before 1947.
So how many people know sanskrit in ur dream land pakistan.
This is what is called identity crisis. When the arabs and turks subdued you, you sold off. U r neither an arab, a turk or an Indian. After 60 years still you have no idea where to go.
A patriotic person does not need to boast in every second thread that they are patriotic. What I understand from your post is a frustration, a dilemma, weather to go east or west.
quote=-Promiscuous Paki-;4919274]Maybe Indians should go back to speaking Tamil or some other Dravidian language so that Pakistan/Indusiya can declare Sanskrit its national language and me coronated as its Mahraaj.
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We dont need it my dear friend. We in India pride ourselves of our diversity. This what makes India unique. Each of ourselves are content with our identity. We are tamils, telugus, marathies, punjabies. Each have their own role for the national building and contribute immensely.
correct…and one more, patanjali was a huge contributor to sanskrit grammar was born in india and his guru was Bogar (a tamilian). This will puncture our PP and RR identity crisis. infact the more they associate themselves with sanskrit and all, the more they will associate themselves with india(which they dont want.. ).
*This is what is called identity crisis. When the arabs and turks subdued you, you sold off. U r neither an arab, a turk or an Indian. After 60 years still you have no idea where to go. *
Excuse me shvk
We have very clear and straight path to go that is Islam and Islam and Islam.