People who force groceries on you while you have enough money to buy them

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That ^

That as well ^

OP, you've got to understand that somehow these people got an idea that you were in need and tried to help - no matter how misguided and strange their behavior was - it was a gesture.

All that is required is a thank you and that's pretty much it.

Try not to be too offended and sensitive about it?

If you were so upset about the needy in your country, you could have just passed the groceries on to someone else.

A good deed just needs action - nothing else.

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Again, Reha, there was no need. The next day I was buying myself a watch in town and groceries . . . As today. As last saturday, etc. The need wasn't there, so there was nothing to know . . .

And you are not entitled to insult people by not greeting them and giving them unpleasant looks while you don't even know them and they never harmed you and treated you friendly, no matter if days before your child gave them groceries under the misguidance that they have 'nothing'. That is wrong. And I still said thank you. I have still been friendly and polite. Even when they returned the money.

So they can be oversensitive when I write a thank you note and explanation that it wasn't needed and if they please accept a small amount which I also offered in a humble way, after they refused to greet me and give me a chance to personally thank them, then I can't be even a bit sensitive about them treating my daughter unpolitley in their home while their own child wanted my daughter to come in the first place and I can't be sensitive that they first give us groceries while I still have besan, atta, rotti, fries and vegetables in my home and then days later when I see them they treat me unpolite too? So they get away with every nasty arrogant behaviour and I have no right to be sensitive?

Again: this was not humanity nor a good deed in my opinion. If the intentions of this family really were nice, then they would not have mistreated my daughter in their home after their own child invited her there in the first place and they would not have pried for weeks about our finances, telling their child to ask mine how much money I have, if the intentions of this family really were nice, then they would not have refused to greet me and not have given me unpleasant looks, just days after their child insisted their groceries upon us.

I think the intentions of the child weren't bad, but her family does have a nasty attitude and no, I don't believe people with that behaviour have a 'good' attitude. I have my own mistakes, but alhamdulilah, I never treated other people like this who never harmed me nor insulted me.

*If you were so upset about the needy in your country, you could have just passed the groceries on to someone else. *

And yes, I have indeed been giving to charity. For years money when I could, and clothes which could still be used.

The groceries, some of them went to my friend, the rest in the bin since they were ruined (garlic) and my friend didn't even want that, nobody else here uses it (we're the only Pakistanis in my appartment area), the garlic wasn't fresh, so it's normal. The friend didn't need the groceries either, but since we didn't want to throw it away, they were used by her.

For years I've been donating books and clothes, not just money, to various charities. I don't have the habit of advertising what I give to others all the time. This is the first time I say this online: I've given money to charities in the Netherlands, such as Amnesty International, the Dutch department of theirs that is, I annually collect money for Amnesty International and participate in sending cards to people wrongfully in prison, I gave money for years to a another charity too so that old Dutch people can make trips on a boat and be properly taken care of. Then there was a case of a Dutch child with cancer, people were collecting money for that child in our local supermarket once, I put a nice amount in that. Other than that, I've also been donating for years to Unicef, Islamic Relief, the Dutch cancer institute called KWF, I also gave money to WNF which is the Dutch branch of WWF. I temporary stopped a few months ago as we had had too many bills of my failing health (which is becoming better alhamdulilah) and when my finances are much better, I'm planning to continue donating.

I donated to each one of these charities for years, every month. I still have the bank receipts of that even somewhere. Every month an amount I could afford was given to Unicef, De zonnebloem, KWF, WNF, Amnesty International and sometimes once of twice a year to various other charities, such as Islamic Relief.

Other than that, whenever I have cash at home, I donate to people who ring my doorbell and aske money for masjids, a church once, the cancer institute who I still paid despite already giving them money every month, etc.

O yes, I also have done volunteer work by teaching people Dutch who came to the Netherlands from different countries. One of these females claimed her husband was threatening and beating her (she was from Iran). I have a very small appartment. Yet, when she kept saying she was afraid and wanted to leave him, but had no place to go, I offered her help and I even offered her and her son a place in my appartment, in the end she decided to stay with her husband and return. I kept telling her she had options, but the end choice was hers. I've done much much more for other people. For years. Both when I had more than enough money and when I had less.

There are various ways to help someone, and when someone really needs it and hasn't harrassed my children and me and if I'm in a position to help, then yes, I still do help in one way or another, be it Pakistani or a Dutch person or someone with a different background.

I just don't talk about it often, not online nor in daily interactions with other people. Even in the schoollibrary where I'm temporarily working now, I have never advertised how much I've done for others. Allah knows. And now I've shared it here.

In my opinion it's normal behaviour to help other people who really need it, it's normal to help by doing volunteer work and it's normal to help by donating money or clothes, to me it's not special. I've done it all my life. Even as a teenager. I met plenty of people with different backgrounds who do the same as me. We all think it's normal to help others and we don't see ourselves as special or gems just because we help someone and we don't mistreat and insult the people we helped and we don't feel we are better than them and so entitled to insult them by mistreating them when they are invited in our homes or insult them in other ways.

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^People feel the way they feel. I wonder why are you writing essays in response to each post. Its not worth the time & effort.

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I'm hoping that perhaps someone might think and change. Many people complain about the way they are treated. I'm trying to think about my behaviour and I'm hoping that someone will think about these issues too, even if one person would change, it would be worth it. Plus I love typing.

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Gr8, can you type my dictations. j/k

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OP, there's a saying that we should thank the people for enabling us to do a good deed. This girl and her family gave you groceries that you don't need...or if they give you money in the future and refuse to take it back...then simply pass it in to charity. You'll inshaAllah get reward for that and rather than hate on these people, thank them for enabling you to earn this good deed for yourself.

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Sometime getting rid of negative people from life is the best thing you can do, As Socrates quoted " All you need in life is one person to love and one person to love you back. " We used to socialize a lot, spend a lot of time and money entertaining dozens of people on a weakly basis, these relationships brought us only grief, one day we decided to sever all our social relationships and focus only on immediate family, no one deserves time more than my children, I care not about what anyone says or thinks. It feels like the best decision of my life. Don't ever give others the power to brig you down. You are an awesome lady and your family will not only survive but thrive. It is not how many times you fall but how many times you get up is what count. I have seen it many times in my life that children of sensible moms like you shine like stars, my cousins grew without a father and are amazingly successful may Allah grant you all the success in life and protect you from haters.

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You are right. I'm not hating this family, yet I am annoyed by the way they mistreated my daughter in their home and then weeks later me at school. It would have been nice to have had no contact at all with them and do good deeds for myself as I've been doing positive deeds without people like these in my life. Then again, when something negative happens, it's nice to turn it into something positive so some good comes out of it. And it will help in my personal struggle to become a good and better Muslimah.

People who force groceries on you while you have enough money to buy them

I know this was asked before but i didnt see a response, how did they know you had a 'need' or 'no paycheck' till the next day or lack of groceries. Without causing a spark here are you sure maybe your daughter didnt mention this? I do feel you are overthinking this and trying to build a defense.

They did what they felt was right and as a goodwill gesture if they didnt want to take the money from you as u said yourself a charitable donation would be good. If the family have an issue and are not communicating i do feel you should just move on from it. If your daughters friend jsnt allowed to yours or has stopped speaking to ur daughter as friends let them sort jt between themselves. You have a roof over ur head and able to support yourself so let it go.

Sometimes people may not appreciate your help or find it overwhelming vice versa. They didnt have bad intentions.

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I don't see mention of your husband anywhere.

People who force groceries on you while you have enough money to buy them

^^ OP DId mention she is divorced

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BellaShabba, you can read my post number 62 amongst other posts in which I explained how there was no need and how this friend did not believe that we will have money. There was no paycheck, it's a different system. This friend did not know this, this friend insisted we have no money at all, even though we explained to her and her family we do have money for groceries, there were indeed groceries still in my home even (which ones? you can also read that in my previous posts . . . ), etc. This family did not even know I was going to receive money. If you really are interested, you can find whatever you want to know about this in previous posts.

The point I'm really trying to make with this is, that people should try to think about who they help, why they help and how they help, if they really are interested in truly helping.

As far as this relationship between their child and mine is, you can also find that in previous posts. And no, I'm not interested in more interactions and contacts with this family. After exams, wether my daughter passes or fails, there will be no more contact with them. We have always been and remained polite to them, that won't change. Through the behaviour of their child the last few months at school, I found out from my daughter certain things about this friend which I didn't like. Yet, I said, she is still Pakistani and she is still a child, I'd like to have a fellow Pakistani as a friend for my daughter as the children of my own fellow Pakistani and Indian friends are too young or too old to be interesting for my children, so I told my daughter months ago that if this friend gets permission to visit us, if they really do become more close, we can try to reason with her on topics of discrimination and racism for example. If we can reason with her, she can stay in our lives, otherwise, I don't want any negative racist influence on my children and so she's out as far as I'm concerned. Now this isn't necesary, as her own family is behaving already unpolitely towards us without any reason. We even didn't have to make an effort to see if they are reasonable people or not, they showed various sides of themselves these past months, amongst others racism and bigotry, so no, I'm not making any effort to get to know them.

I've always refused racists, bigots (be they neo Nazi, Islamophobes, homophobes or so called Muslims who kill and hate every non-Muslim) and other unpleasant people to part of our private lives, if I could talk and reason with one of these people and they would stop being racists for example, I did give them a chance, but if they didn't they were always out of my live as far as I was concerned. I don't see why I should make an exception here.

Thank you for the advice in this situation from the past already, to the people who had serious advice, feedback and cricism, both negative and positive, it helped me view myself and this situation and life in general. Also interesting to find out how various people react differently.

If anyone else has any more questions, I refer to my previous posts. I'm not receiving replies to this thread anymore. So I'm not reading nor answering more replies to this thread as the discussion really is exhausted now, no new angle to view this from anymore. So case closed. :) Shukriya.

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OP, please don't be offended.

It sounds to me like there was a conversation or incident between your daughter and her friend where the impression was given.

That impression was carried over to the parents who actually reacted in a weird way I admit. It seems as if they think you're poor, don't want your daughter to hang out with their daughter and are trying to treat you in a condescending manner.

Somehow though, something was communicated that was entirely wrong. You just don't know what it is. People don't just start giving out food and treating others like second hand citizens for no apparent reason - they react (albeit negatively) to something.

Brush it off and let it go.

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just buy her some stuff and give it to her in return... leave it in their mail box too.

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Why would ANYONE insist that you need groceries without having some insight?
This is what confuses me more than anything else.

I'm sorry....I just don't believe that the whole picture is visible......

People who force groceries on you while you have enough money to buy them

I agree with muzna which is what I asked also how did OP's daughters friend know about the groceries or financial stuff but op got defensive and wrote about other stuff instead of answering the q. Maybe your daughters friend gathered there is a need for groceries no one just piles them up forcefully

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I will get anday thrown at me for this but I think the issue here is the widespread needy image of divorced women in Pakistani community. I have seen this before and no matter how good a divorcee is doing, people will look at her with pity yet have doubts about her character. It upsets me and I can completely understand why it is bothering you. Being a divorcee in our society sometimes is enough to make people treat you like a charity case.