People like him give islam a bad name..

http://www.gupistan.com/gallery/1/abdul qadeer.jpg

http://www.gupistan.com/gallery/1/kalam.jpg

The 2 above pictures are of Abdul Qadeer khan(Islam’s hero) and Abdul kalam(Islam’s traitor)

Indian scientist Abdul kalam is a real prick, he is a traitor, he is a muslim and he is the one who is making the missiles for india for the past years and those missiles will be used against muslims, he is an idiot and hopefully, by allah’s grace he might come to the right line and people Abdul Kalam give Islam a bad name!!.. So we cant let ourselves become like him!
http://www.time.com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1998/981130/bomb1.html

Go here for more information, he is the one who made the bombs for india, god, pisses me off!!

Khuda hafiz

http://www.gupistan.com/gallery/1/abdul%20qadeer.jpg

wesay you need to revise islaam first then say some one who is doing bad.


You want to be best, Think like Linux developrs.

Aub tu waqai Allah hi haffiz


You want to be best, Think like Linux developrs.

Imagine, Just imagine, if India and Pakistan use their brians for mutual cooperation and defence.

yeaha ukhalil11;
they are making missiles for a country in which they and their people have no protection or security.

muslims are being massacred, qurans are being burned, masjids are being destroyed...and they call it a seculear and democratic state.

so what you are trying to say is killing Indians is justified and killing Muslims isnt?

This was such an idiotic post! Both of them are doing there jobs as scientists! Thats pretty much it...

I hate it how ignorant some people could be.

Alibeta, you're just a plain idiot, you dont even know wut i am talking about, i am saying its a muslim defending a hindu nation and worst part is that the hindu nation he is defending, the enemy of that country is a muslim nation u idiot, so try to understand, if you cant understand then you might as well just shut your mouth! So get ur facts straight next time alibeta, and hopefully it'll make it less embarrasing for you, thanks!

Khuda Hafiz

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Originally posted by ukhalil11:
**Alibeta, you're just a plain idiot, you dont even know wut i am talking about, i am saying its a muslim defending a hindu nation and worst part is that the hindu nation he is defending, the enemy of that country is a muslim nation u idiot, so try to understand, if you cant understand then you might as well just shut your mouth! So get ur facts straight next time alibeta, and hopefully it'll make it less embarrasing for you, thanks!

Khuda Hafiz **
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dude first learn some manners in speaking.. calling idiot Ali in such a way shows ur immature.. plus ur post is really silly.. u want to say that crores of muslims living in India ar doing some kind of sin? many are working in army. police and other sensitive areas.. and India is not a Hindu country though majority are hindus.. those muslims who chose to live in India with any reason are as musch muslims as u and me are.. even muslims countries fight and kill each other.. unfortunately both India and Pakistan are tossed in this never ending struggle.. both muslims scientists worked for the nuclear deterrents for their respectible countries..

Dear Khalil

Assalam-o-alikum..

I would like to raise a point.. Did you read the news that Abdul Qadeer has been kicked out from Indian Atomic REsearch fascility, and he even didn't get a post of univerity professor in any state. You know the reason , because he is not a graduate Scientist.. What does that tell u.

Well the point is, Indian hindu's are smart enough to hire a chammar Muslims ( qadeer) and postering him as their vital part of Atomic Research. The Muslims are dumb enough to understand their trick. THis Qadeer is obvisouly not any factor in their Nuclear field. he is just a show piece. and they were using it to play with the hearts of Muslims...

....... Indeed we Muslims are jazbati and pathetic some times..


Dont think "you can" know "you can"
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man, see there u go again, this is why we have a bad name in Islam, cause of people like you, sorry if i am offending u but unfortunetly this is the reality, we muslims cant get along, we muslim support kuffars, thats why we have been give a name in this world "terrorist"

OHhh.... see, there's another thing wrong with us muslims... we are jazbati .. i agree with that.. Indians just used Abdul kalam and they got everything out of him, and once they got everything out of him, they kick him out, i am not surprise by that all, this isn't the first time muslims have been used, we are very jazbati, damn! pisses me off! We muslim have to change ourselves... i mean an example is Yasser Arafat, usa used him a lot and once they got wut they wanted out of him. they dont if he dies or livez...damn.. well thanks alot FlammeZ, thanx for keepin me updated, thx!!

Imagine what could happen if India and Pakistan combine their smartness and work together.
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Imagine if they both use the N bomb...

third rate behavior. it is no wonder that indian muslims dont think too highly of the ever-judgemental and racist pakistanis.

Degas put it quite well.

ukkhalil11, by your logic(?), you should get your muslim tush back in pakistan. your working in the west will only go towards strengthening the enemies of islam. as long as you stay in the west, you are a traitor of islam. pooh!

ukhalil, first of all, you need to talk to people politely. Secondly, you are not the custodian of Islam who was sent to this world to judge as to who is a Muslim and who isnt. Lastly, Muslims in India, like the Muslims in Pakistan are entitled to the reputed jobs and positions, and they can become whatever they like. Like alibeta said, both of them are doing there job. Instead of using harsh language against the Indian counterpart, you should pray that hostilities end at both sides, and both nations can attain a path to progress.

True spock, i agree with you, i am kind a rude, sorry for that people

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ok second of all, my point is that a muslim is defending a hindu nation against a muslim nation, that was about it, so please people, if you think i am wrong, correct my instead of saying i am a traitor of islam cause i am in the west, LOL i mean i dont get it, how am i a traitor of islam? Do you see my going around harming muslims and supporting kuffars? i dont think so please correct that statement of urz queer. thanks

khuda hafiz

I agree, that for a muslim to help create a missile to use against fellow muslims is not right. But, these guys are just scientists, and they obviously see things differently. Its sorta like when a lawyer defends someone who they know is guilty of murder. As far as the lawyer is concerned, he simply doing his job.

In a billion peoples' opinion, he is Allah (Most Merciful) sent to handle his followers!

Khalil, I never called you a traitor of Islam, I merely said that you are not the custodian of Islam and niether am I. However I understand what you mean about a Muslim working in the interests of Hindus. But you have to realize that there are more Muslims in Indian than they are in Pakistan, and they have minds of their own and if they think thats its wrong to work in the interests of their country, its upto them.

We, as Pakistanis have lived upto every threat these Hindustanis have posed and we should be proud of that. We are well aware of how great Abdul Qadeer Khan of Pakistan was in strengthening our position. It is an international opinion that Pakistan’s smaller aresenal of nukes is expected to outperform India’s larger and inferior nuke capability. I have read this in various artialces around the world. I once read an article where an Israeli journalist wrote that Pakistan was a big threat to the world as Indias nukes were likely to fail and would therefore result in a negative balance of power. This just shows that instead of critiscizing them, we should take pride in our accomplishments… After all, we are the atomic republic of Pakistan

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Comon ppl. the guy is nuthing..

he is a simple lab worker, who has been portrayed as a genius, nuclear scientist, making missiles and bombs for India.

Indian Govt has been giving the impression to Muslims in India that, they should also come forward, and dedicate their lifes for the benifit of India.


Dont think "you can" know "you can"
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abdul kalam is decent man . he never saind anything about pakistan. i remember him
saying indian and pakistan eventually
will live toghether. to live toghether
both have to feel secure. can anybody quote him saying anything against pakistan?

On April 11, 1999, India test-fired Agni II, its fourth and most advanced ballistic missile, which has a range of over 2,000 kilometers and can carry - so the official statement claims - a "special weapons payload." The missile was fired exactly 11 months after India conducted a series of five nuclear tests in the Rajasthan desert. Abdul Kalam, the author of India 2020: A Vision for the New Millennium, is the innovator behind this missile.

Kalam, in fact, is a man of many talents. He is the scientific adviser to India's defense minister and head of the ministry's Defence Research and Development Organisation. He played a major role in the construction of the nuclear devices that were tested in Pokhran last May. And in July 1980, he directed the flight of Rohini, his country's first satellite, allowing him to assert proudly that India was now "one of four nations to have a satellite launch facility." As a legendary and influential figure in India, Kalam's "vision" deserves attention, not only because of his unique stature in his country's society, but also because his views reflect the hopes and assumptions of India's burgeoning national-security elite.

India watchers in the United States and elsewhere may have already noted the themes and argument of this book. Kalam's collaborator, Y.S. Rajan, is the executive director of the Technology Information Forecasting and Assessment Council (TIFAC), which issued a series of Technology Vision 2020 reports. Kalam was among the authors. Like the TIFAC reports, India 2020 focuses on specific themes - each constituting a chapter in the book - as central to India's future development. These topics include food and agriculture, chemical industries and biological resources, manufacturing, the services sector, public health, and an enabling network of infrastructure. Each chapter connects the problem - of food, manufacturing, self-reliance in defense production, etc. - to its technological solution and projects the author's assessment and "vision" for India's future. Cumulatively, Kalam envisions India in 2020 as a modern and prosperous country endowed with "multimodal" transport networks (air, ocean, highway, and rail), state-of-the-art industries, marshaling yards, and nuclear-power stations servicing a well-fed, adequately housed, and educated population. He prophesies that by 2020, India will become "one of the five biggest economic powers, having self-reliance in national security."

This attractive vision is shared by many in India's growing community of scientists and engineers who work in the modern sector, especially the state-supported research-and-development organizations, and in the information and biotechnology outfits that service foreign and national corporations. The trouble with this outlook is that it is a rather instrumentalist take on how India's complex problems of poverty and social fragmentation will be overcome. There is an overriding faith in the power of technology to solve social and economic problems. Kalam describes this preoccupation unabashedly as "a technology vision for the nation" and focuses solely on "the technological imperatives for India to develop her internal strengths."

Kalam believes that India will attain its full potential through a "confluence of civilian and defence technologies." Strategic industries that service the military have, of course, their intrinsic value too. His aphorism is that "Only strength respects strength." It is a viewpoint that many of India's leaders share, but most of its intellectuals do not. Meanwhile, the populace swings between the patriotic pride stimulated by a successful space launch or triumphant weapons tests and the doldrums that result from rising prices and falling employment. There were celebrations throughout India immediately after the Pokhran II nuclear tests in May 1998. A few months later, the impoverished masses were in the streets protesting the increase in onion prices. "The mighty onion may bring down the government," read a newspaper headline. On April 11, Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee declaimed: "Agni is a symbol of that resurgent India which is able to say: Yes, we will stand on our feet." Maybe, but a mere two days afterwards Vajpayee's coalition was struggling to survive. Less than a week later it collapsed. One constant remained: About one-third of India's nearly 1 billion people still live below the poverty line.

Unlike the United States, where post-World War II defense spending served for a while as an engine of growth, in South Asia, military Keynesianism has failed to work even temporary wonders. In such poverty-stricken and low-skill environments, defense spending - as it is capital-intensive - does not yield the multiplier effects and "dual uses" of technology that the author of this book envisions. To the contrary, evidence suggests that Kalam's honor-winning achievements may have set India back both economically and politically.

After decades of lackluster economic performance, India's gross domestic product saw an annual growth rate in the 7 percent range for several years in the mid 1990s - breaking out of what pundits had sarcastically dubbed the "Hindu rate of growth." But last year's nuclear tests and the international sanctions that followed have helped push India back toward the "Hindu rate" of 3.5-4 percent per year. It is unlikely that even the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party of former prime minister Vajpayee would claim this development as an achievement.

More ominously, India's achievements in defense technology, and its willingness to test them, have stimulated a dangerous arms race in South Asia that only hurts the region's future. Shooting itself in the foot, Pakistan matched India's five nuclear tests in the Rajasthan desert with six of its own in the mountains of Baluchistan. Pakistani television is ablaze with Islamabad's retaliatory missile tests of the Ghauri II and Shaheen I missiles. The authors of this book provide glimpses into the mindset behind this problematic development but, understandably, offer no solutions.

[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited March 31, 2002).]