Re: People calling Muawiyah.. Hazrat
History!!!!
before reading history you need to read who wrote that history and after you read who wrote that history you need to read about the person who wrote that history !!!!!!
I hate it when people start shouting on a stage that RAVI said that RAVI said this and PEOPLE saw this when Hazrat X Y Z was doing this and said this ALL BULL ****
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to begin with! winners write them..
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OK yar what ever helps you sleep better
what does Quran say about the sahabis? id love to know how God gurantees their infallibilty and redeems all their future mistakes! plz..enlighten me
Allah did not say that they cannot make mistakes. What Quran says that Allah is razi with them (knowing their weakness and the fact that they can make mistakes).
Prophet says (and I am paraphrasing) that people of my time (my companions) are the best and then the ones that come after them and then the ones that come after them. Prophet was not comparing the intelligence or muscles or beauty but eeman of the people.
When I read the above hadees, what amazes me that we who sit about 40-50 generations after sahaba some how thinks that we are in a position to judge them. After reading that hadees, we should worry about what is going to happen to us and leave the end of Sahaba with Allah and his rasool.
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Several of the sahabah made may mistakes in their lives, including mistakes of bloodshed, and still receive respect from Sunnis. The respect and love for all of the companions of the Prophet (pbuh) commanded of us in the Hadith means that we overlook their mistakes and misjudgements and love them nonetheless.
True, Hazrat Muawiyah (ra) made mistakes. The most significant of these was, of course, making his son his successor, and starting a tradition of kingship. However, one can very easily see the problem that he was trying to solve : the method of selecting the Khalif since the death of the prophet (pbuh) had nearly descended into civil was during his own accession to power. It seems evident that he sought to prevent future bloodshed through securing the succession while he was still alive: the serious misjudgement is that he selected the worst possible person to follow him.
The most important point to his credit, however, is that he established the bureaucracy that enabled the growing Islamic state to operate efficiently, a model that was followed for over a thousand years afterwards in successive Muslim states and enabled competent rule.
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^ adding to this, today the Islam that we have to follow, a major part of it is because of the Ahadees that reached us and all the mauhaddaseen and katebeen wahi deserve a huge credit and respect for that. Hazrat Muaaweeya was one of them.
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Allah being RAZI with them on a particular notion at a particular time period does not gurantee their redemption of future..plausible mistakes/sins. What hinders us to look at them critically like every historical personality should be? I believe we have the history books for the very purpose to seek the knowledge and get something out of it. i just dnt get that.
Mauwiya was power hungry and the history is replete with incidents of his cruelty towards sahabis, his chicanery, his hatred towards Ali, his conflict with Ali stemming from this very reason. Do you fail to see that he is responsible for torturing sahabis..Ammar bin Yasir for example. look into that. Was mauvia oblivious of the status of Ahle Bait? was he busy writing wahis when the Prophet exhorted his ummah to respect the Ahle Bait and keep Ali as their Maula ( whtever the meaning )? You cant escape these questions and you have to put these things into perspective
Allah being RAZI with them on a particular notion at a particular time period does not gurantee their redemption of future..plausible mistakes/sins. What hinders us to look at them critically like every historical personality should be? I believe we have the history books for the very purpose to seek the knowledge and get something out of it. i just dnt get that.
Mauwiya was power hungry and the history is replete with incidents of his cruelty towards sahabis, his chicanery, his hatred towards Ali, his conflict with Ali stemming from this very reason. Do you fail to see that he is responsible for torturing sahabis..Ammar bin Yasir for example. look into that. Was mauvia oblivious of the status of Ahle Bait? was he busy writing wahis when the Prophet exhorted his ummah to respect the Ahle Bait and keep Ali as their Maula ( whtever the meaning )? You cant escape these questions and you have to put these things into perspective
which history book tells you that hazrat mauvia RA wrote a WAHI ????
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wud love to see where Quran guarantees ALL the sahabas as believers...........
^Its amazing how they totally ignore Sura Munafiqoon and many other verses of quran where Allah (swt) has warned or condemned sahaba.
The People like TLK who are using Quran to exempt Muawia all of his crimes please read this verse of Quran and answer the questions below:
"And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense shall be hell, he shall abide therein and God's wrath (Ghazibullaho) shall be on him and his curse (lanato), and is prepared for him a great torment" (Surah Nisa, v 93).
With this verse in mind, history testifies that during the battles of Siffeen and Jamal 70,800 Muslims lost their lives.
a) What is the position of the killers here*?*
b) Does this verse not applicable to them*?*
c) If these individuals opposed the Khalifa of the time and were responsible for spreading fitna (dissension) and murder, what will be their position on the Day of Judgement?
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Lol, so now Hazrat Muawiya was Munafiq (astaghfarullah) ...
lakum deenakum waliya deen ..
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Dont runaway. Atleast have some courage to defend your claim. BTW I was expecting something better from you not an easy way out just by LOLing. tsk tsk.
BTW there are traditions how sahaba used to recognise munafiqeen by saying the name of Ali Ibn Abi Talib in a group :p
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Sorry that I disappointed you by taking an easy way out. :)
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Its alright. I wasnt expecting anything rational which justifies those questions to be honest cause you or sunnis in general just cant :)
^Its amazing how they totally ignore Sura Munafiqoon and many other verses of quran where Allah (swt) has warned or condemned sahaba.
The People like TLK who are using Quran to exempt Muawia all of his crimes please read this verse of Quran and answer the questions below:
"And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense shall be hell, he shall abide therein and God's wrath (Ghazibullaho) shall be on him and his curse (lanato), and is prepared for him a great torment" (Surah Nisa, v 93).
With this verse in mind, history testifies that during the battles of Siffeen and Jamal 70,800 Muslims lost their lives.
a) What is the position of the killers here*?* b) Does this verse not applicable to them*?* c) If these individuals opposed the Khalifa of the time and were responsible for spreading fitna (dissension) and murder, what will be their position on the Day of Judgement?
A typical Shia reply.
Sorah Munafiqoon is about Jews of Madina who disguised as Muslims. It's not about Muhajirs and Ansaar (ex Christians).
You should learn from free source as well. Come out of Shia cloak.
Its alright. I wasnt expecting anything rational to be honest :)
its because I dont want to argue, not that I cant ..
as I said
lakum denakum waliya deen.
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OK. Nice day to you then :)
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one has to believe that every life is important. Yazid is maligned, even by sunnies, because of the status of Imam Hussain for all Muslims. But everyone who caused fitna after the Prophet’s death is seriously questionable.
when you kill someone it matters. and the common defence of it being a bad judgement call, a wrong ijtihad, is too cute by half. it doesnt apply for example to certain sahaba who were judged by their own peers to be fighting for worldly gain.
The following ahadis are also worth noting:
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wel there are those amongst sunnis who also call yazid Hazrat..
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^^
That must pinch you sharply, when you sleep at night ehh ?
Sunnis love Hazrat Hussein the same way as shias. so cut the crap.