I can understand why Shias would get very offended by anyone calling Muawiyah Hazrat..what do sunnis think of it? I see Muawiyah as a very sly politician and nothing more..he changed the consensus Khalifat to a Kingdom.
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^^ I guess you havnt studied the Ahadith of the Prophet SAW and never sat in Mathematics periods 
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He was a Sahabi and Quran says that Allah is raazi with all the sahaba. Who the heck are we to judge any Sahabi? Its a shameful act in my opinion.
He was a Sahabi and Quran says that Allah is raazi with all the sahaba. Who the heck are we to judge any Sahabi? Its a shameful act in my opinion.
Yes a companion who split the Ummah led a civil war which killed many Muslims uncluding other companions and changed a Khilfat of qiyas and Ijma into a Kingdom. His military and political achievements were many but why defend the indefensible?
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Cudnt Agree with your More Sir ..^^
and as The Ahadith of the Prophet SAW is that ''All my Sahaba are Rightly Guided, Which ever one you follow, you will be on the right path'' and another narration is ''My sahaba are like the stars, follow them and you will be guided''.
And the Verse which Sir TLK mentioned is ''Radiya Allah hu anhum Wa radu Anhu'' - Allah Almighty is pleased - raazi radiya here is in the past tense if someone knows arabic grammer, that Allah has ''always'' been pleased..i.e. not just at the time of revelation of this verse but from before with them and they are raazi with Allah Almighty.
So like TLK said .. Who on earth are we to judge the status of the Sahaba.. and just another thing to mention Hazrat Amir Muaawiya RA was ''kaatib e wahi'' - Wrote down the Quraan as it was revealed as he was amongst a few who had this job... so way i see it is that .those who degrade the status of Hazrat Muawaaiya RA ..are in actual fact being gustaakh to the status of the beloved Prophet SAW .. that The prophet SAW knew That Hazrat Amir Muaawiya was going to cause fitna as some un-knowledgeable put it .. then Why didnt The Beloved Prophet SAW stop Him from writing down Quraan ..or did not warn ..
So The claim is useless and just a load of garbage.
Yes a companion who split the Ummah led a civil war which killed many Muslims uncluding other companions and changed a Khilfat of qiyas and Ijma into a Kingdom. His military and political achievements were many but why defend the indefensible?
I am not defending anything. I am just stating what Quran says about Sahaba. Once Quran makes a statement about a group of people, individual acts with in that group does not matter anymore.
When Quran talks about Quom-e-Loot, do you think that there were no good people in that quom. There might be some but it does not matter and Allah sent the Azaab on all of them. Now if you start asking for the maghfirat of some individuals of the nation of Hazrat Loot or Hazrat Nooh because they were good according to your standards, would not you be committing a sin?
Simlairly, when Allah swt showed his pleasure with this elite group (companions of prophet) then our negative opinoin about their acts does not matter, in fact its a sin as you are passing a judgment against the judgment of Allah SWT.
proclaim whats right and denounce the wrong. isnt that supposed to be a tenet of Islam? and the people who defend ALL sahabid with such alacrity havent bothered studying the history dispassionately. you should try doing. How could two groups fighting each other be on the right path? do you not see the fallacy?
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Ameer Muawiya RA fought against Khuwarij (extreme Shia who declared Ali RA a kafir when he accepted Tehkeem of Abu Musa Ashari RA) on the commandment of Ali RA.
Nehjul Balagha sermon # 126.](http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/126.htm)
"Certainly you are the most evil of all persons and are those whom Satan has put on his lines and thrown out into his wayless land. With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. **The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. **So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah’s hand (of protection) is on keeping unity.
You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf.
Beware; whoever calls to this course, kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine. Certainly the two arbitrators were appointed to revive what the Qur’an revives and to destroy what the Qur’an destroys. Revival means to unite on it (in a matter) and destruction means to divide on a matter."
....so? thats supposed to edifying? whats ur point sister J?
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My point is Shia curse Muawiyah RA because he fought and killed them on the command of Ali RA.
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why did moavia rise against Ali?
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Shia myth.
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aahh! tht explains it! have a nice day :)
and the people who defend ALL sahabid with such alacrity havent bothered studying the history dispassionately. you should try doing. How could two groups fighting each other be on the right path? do you not see the fallacy?
Dude, I am talking about what Quran says about Sahaba. If history is more important for you than Quran then so be it. I have no issue with that.
Hazrat Ali RA fought with Hazrat Aisha RA .. does it make one of them less respectable for us - I dont think so.
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what does Quran say about the sahabis? id love to know how God gurantees their infallibilty and redeems all their future mistakes! plz..enlighten me
The Sahabas are not immune from criticism, and one can also challenge the exact definition of a sahaba..would Muawiyah fit that criteria?
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was Allah raazi with all the sahabies when they were killing each other? its easy to write that off but tens of thousands of people Allah was Razi with killed each other. Is He believed to be Razi with that? Surely when you kill someone Allah is Razi with surely you’re making Him slightly naraz? the sects that emerged after the Prophets death such as the Khwarij that firmly believed the others were Kafir let alone misguided. was Allah razi with all of them too. plainly the sahaba Allah is razi with in the Quran have a more limited definition, it could be conditioned on identifiable context (such as this verse refers to falana group of sahabies gathered at Hudaibya etc) or on quality (sahabi is someone who was in company of the Prophet and then wasnt misguided). An example of the latter is the story of Hazrat Nooh, where hes promised that his family would be saved, but his son drowns, whereupon Hazrat Nooh reminds Allah of his promise and is told further qualifications are required to be considered family.
there is also this hadis from Bukhari:
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Hazrat Mauawia RTA
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^^ RTA indeed.
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the truth is nobody is willing to look at the history impartially! period