Psychologically, what is the difference between them?
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
Are you serious?
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
Yes. Reading referred academic work at http://www.us2000.org/cfmc/Pedophilia.pdf. We can dismiss the article being written by ultra conservatives, but the evidence provided in the references is a little convincing.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
Let’s see…one has sex with or pursues sexual materials containing infants and minors. The other just has sex with another grown up human being.
Oh also, one is a disorder as marked in the DSMwhile the other isn’t.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
Yes. Its also the fault of a disease I like chocolates and sweets and that is why half of america is the size of a *ing boat. Psychology is bull*. Not everybody is warped in the head. People make choices.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
Psychologically, what is the difference between them?
1) There is huge diff. Pedophiles are not necessarily homosexuals. In fact, vast majority of pedophiles are not homosexuals b/c statistically only 5% of any given population is gay.
2) Homosexuals are people and animals who are attracted to same sex (male to male & female to female); where pedophiles are people who are sexually attracted to children.
As for psychology, just like all straight people do not molest children (while some do), not all gay people molest children either. Likes/dislikes and sexual preferences is genetic, although not conclusively proven yet, if ever.
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Can one have a genetic sexual preference towards children or animals for that matter?
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Can one have a genetic sexual preference towards children or animals for that matter?
it could be but because it cannot be by consent it's regarded as a sexual offence. Pretty simple to understand if talking from the modernists' perspective.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
I think it's important NOT to generalize that all homosexuals are pedophiles or that all pedophiles are homosexuals.
I'm not sure about genetic sexual preferences, but I think that the environment plays a large role in developing such feelings as those you mentioned above.
I think a child who is molested at a young age is exposed to sexual content which he/she should never have been exposed to in the first place. which may in the future alter their sexual behavior. Because our society is becoming more"open" about the idea that children ARE molested, so are the children as to what affects the molestation left on their outlook on sexual behavior.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
none of the theory has proved so far the homosexuals too have genetic predisposition to their sexual orientation they choose as they grow up.
As for pedophiles I strongly believe it's an abnormality of the mind and it needs to be treated as a psychiatric disease.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
why is pedophilia a disease and homosexuality not? both are deviations from normal sexual behavior.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
why is pedophilia a disease and homosexuality not? both are deviations from normal sexual behavior.
Peace kakaballi
Though I agree with you there is a difference between these two ...
Peodophilia will lead to exploitation of children, grooming them and making them do things that they do not realise is good or bad ... the argument in secular societies that allows homosexuality and not peodophilia is because homosexuality is only allowed in the context of consenting adults as with heterosexual fornication.
A lot of peodophiles groom children of the same gender, but they still consider this peodophilia.
Again I think both are wrong ... because they are consenting adults it does not make it right.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
Pedophilia as many define is a result of some sort of child abuse. Even if we take both homosexuality and pedophilia to be diseases, it doesn't change the fact that children cannot give consent to engage in a sexual activity.- Very different from homosexuality where both partners of age have a mutual understanding of whatever it is they are doing. Pedophilics have an urge to dominate and who make better victims than children?
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Peace kakaballi
Though I agree with you there is a difference between these two ...
Peodophilia will lead to exploitation of children, grooming them and making them do things that they do not realise is good or bad ... **the argument in secular societies that allows homosexuality and not peodophilia is because homosexuality is only allowed in the context of consenting adults as with heterosexual fornication.
**A lot of peodophiles groom children of the same gender, but they still consider this peodophilia.
Again I think both are wrong ... because they are consenting adults it does not make it right.
And it's logically an airtight argument. Homosexuality is only considered immoral on religious grounds. Other than that, there really isn't much you can argue over. There's no third person being affected by their behavior. The argument that they can't be good parents is a flawed one and another argument that children will follow into their footsteps is laughable. Sexual attraction is natural, people don't willingly settle for someone they don't feel strongly sexually attracted to. Pedophilia on the other hand is a different ballgame altogther. To compare homosexuals to pedophilics is an insult to the gay community.
I can understand why a lot of you find it hard to separate homosexuality from pedophilia. I think the reason is quite obvious.
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The only reason why pedophiles are considered as criminals is because the other person involved is a child who cannot concede or refuse as the pedophile could force him/her.
I believe homosexuality to be a complete abnormality of behaviour and am inclined to believe that it too can be stopped/treated at the right time by counselling etc. However it cannot be taken as an illegal crime as two adults are involved at their own will.
But for me I would consider both of them to be vastly deviating from normal behaviour.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
And it's logically an airtight argument. Homosexuality is only considered immoral on religious grounds. Other than that, there really isn't much you can argue over. There's no third person being affected by their behavior. The argument that they can't be good parents is a flawed one and another argument that children will follow into their footsteps is laughable. Sexual attraction is natural, people don't willingly settle for someone they don't feel strongly sexually attracted to. Pedophilia on the other hand is a different ballgame altogther. To compare homosexuals to pedophilics is an insult to the gay community.
I can understand why a lot of you find it hard to separate homosexuality from pedophilia. I think the reason is quite obvious.
Peace Theorist
I don't want to bring religion here too much, but it is relevant ... According to Islam people in general are subjected to influences of sexual deviation. Basically it has a position on tendency or sexual orientation and it has a position on sexual activity itself.
1) Sexual activity is purely confined to the marriage contract - there is nothing more concrete than a marriage contract to demonstrate "consent" ... Some people who seduce and then claim rape can easily exploit the "consent" rule where marriages are not required. This is not to say that forced sex does not occur in marriage, this is an injustice ... however on that basis forced sex can also take place in unmarried relationships as well.
2) With regards to sexual orientation the generally accepted viewpoint is that whatever people indulge in then the normal will become abhorrent to them and the irregular or deviated will become appealing ... also by allowing open unrestrained access to sexual activity people become desensitised to it and seek more deviations to please their desires. So Islam encourages sexual modesty and conservativeness so as to enhance and optimise normal adult heterosexual tendencies in people.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
the question is not about if gays are pedo or not.......or the 'consenting adult' part ...
its about their psychology...... so please read the word 'psychological' before...going on and on about 'adult' vs 'child'........
the question is about the attraction felt towards a person of same gender vs attraction felt for an underage person.............lets keep the 'acting out on the attractions' for a moment.......
say........the homosexual and pedophile don't act out.........they control themselves from acting out.......
but how do they compare in the psychological buildup??? as in.....not a normal behaviour....
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
That can only be answered by homosexuals and a pedophiles on board. Now how many homos and pedos are willing to admit that here on GS? None! So you are better off googling that..
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
the question is not about if gays are pedo or not.......or the 'consenting adult' part ...
its about their psychology...... so please read the word 'psychological' before...going on and on about 'adult' vs 'child'........
the question is about the attraction felt towards a person of same gender vs attraction felt for an underage person.............lets keep the 'acting out on the attractions' for a moment.......
say........the homosexual and pedophile don't act out.........they control themselves from acting out.......
but how do they compare in the psychological buildup??? as in.....not a normal behaviour....
They may both shows signs of reduced sexual desire in the normal expected orientation. Also, they are both likely to have more disturbed/unusual upbringing than heterosexuals ... that it my opinion based on some sort of observation of convicts and characters from documentaries and films ... not really an established fact.
Re: pedophiles and homosexuals
why is pedophilia a disease and homosexuality not? both are deviations from normal sexual behavior.
Deviance is subjective & what maybe deviance in one culture or place maybe not be deviance in another. Homosexuality is not consider deviance by APA. Pedophilia is not just a deviance, but illegal too b/c children cannot consent.