Peaceful Islam

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Have you ever heard a Hindu, Jew, and Buddhist saying that their particular religion is peaceful?
Most of all they say that religion (not their particular religion) does not teach violence.

‘Islam is a peaceful religion.’ Why so much noise?
Can peace exist without non-violence?
I have read many verses in Quran where Islam offers terms and conditions for peace, but can some Muslim friend find me a single verse where Islam has faith in non-violence?

Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9.29)

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so u mean if a country has a police force which fights against the criminals, then it isnt a peace loving country????

what is wrong in fighting criminals????

Quran 2:190
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

Quran 4:75
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who being weak are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men women and children whose cry is: "Our Lord! rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!"

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Re: Peaceful Islam

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‘Islam is a peaceful religion.’ Why so much noise? ...
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Because everytime a fool says "kill by thousands, its jihad" Islam comes under question, so "Islam is a peaceful religion" is the response and not "noise", listen to it.

Read armughal response above, read the verse with open mind, it says "fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you". Now if you pick arm against us, we sure will call it jihad and pick arm against you, now don't call Islam as violent religion :p

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Hello Changez, I do not know why armughal has compared Islam to police. May be, he is right.

Can anyone show me some verses from Quran where peace is actually depicted?
You see, peace on certain terms and conditions and revenge on Allah’ behalf, or
non-muslims must pay hafta, sorry, Jazya and purchase their peace do not make sense.

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:rotfl: Have you made it your life’s mission to condemn Islam at every possible point ? man! Give it up already, Yahudi. For all your talk of the Quran’s intolerance, YOU are the only one around here who seems to be the most intolerant individual in this Forum… although there is some other competition as well.

To each his own. Why can you not live with that belief?

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if u doubt the religion itself, why would u ask for any sort of evidence from the Quran..this means u believe in the Quran?

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Re: Peaceful Islam

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Have you ever heard a Hindu, Jew, and Buddhist saying that their particular religion is peaceful?
Most of all they say that religion (not their particular religion) does not teach violence;

‘Islam is a peaceful religion.’ Why so much noise?
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Mr. Yahudi! you are only half right. Yes there is so much noise that 'Islam is peaceful religion'. But it is not true that Hindus and Jews think that 'religion' is peaceful. Because they consider Islam a 'religion' and at the same time consider islam as 'violent religion'. If Hindus and Jews say that 'religion is peaceful' then why they, just like you, are spending their energies in proving that 'Islam is violent religion.' Why so much noise?

Mr. Yahudi! in my view, most religions (not all) promote belongingness towards the followers of their respective faith. At the same time these religions promote hatered and non-belongingness towards the followers of other religions. You are one such example. You feel belongingness towards Jews and so you hate followers of Islam. You mention some 'violent verses' from Islamic Holy Book. Why you do not mention violent verses from Bible that teach and order the Jews to kill 'others' including their innocent children..??

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Islam offers peace on terms and conditions. There is no concept of non-conditional peace in Islam/ Quran.
Even if a non-Muslim (disbeliever) has to live in an Islamic State, he is asked to pay Jazia for purchasing peace.

Pls compare it to other religions.

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Pls compare it to other religions.

Please provide some examples.

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**Pls compare it to other religions.
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Please, why don't you compare it and give us an analysis in this thread?

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Ya Yahudi

I am sorry to interrupt you as I’m quite sure that you must be extremely busy trying to fulfill the above request of sister Nadia.

I thought I better give you some references from the New Testament as they may come handy for you in doing comparative analysis. These are supposed to be quotes of Jesus Christ. He is also called Prince of Peace, isn’t he?

Mind you that I have not quoted anything from the Old Testament, and if you do require some quotations from there I will oblige.

“I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:45
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves”. Matthew 10:16

I have come to set fire to the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until the ordeal is over! Do you suppose I came to establish peace on earth? No indeed, I have come to bring division. For from now on, five members of a family will be divided, three against two and two against three; father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother…” Luke 12:49-53

Brother will betray brother to death, and the father his child; children will turn against their parents and send them to their death. All will hate you for your allegiance to me; but the man who holds out to the end will be saved….YOU MUST NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO BRING PEACE TO THE EARTH; I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE, BUT A SWORD. I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a son’s wife against her mother-in-law; and a man will find his enemies under his own roof. No man is worthy of me who cares more for father or mother than for me; no man is worthy of me who cares for son or daughter; no man is worthy of me who does not take up his cross and walk in my footsteps. By gaining his life a man will lose it; by losing his life for my sake, he will gain it.” Matthew 10:21-22, 34-39

He said to them, “When I sent you out barefoot without purse or pack, were you ever short of anything?” “No,” they answered. “It is different now,” he said; “whoever has a purse had better take it with him, and his pack too; and if he has no sword, let him sell his cloak to buy one. For Scripture says, ‘And he was counted among the outlaws,’”…“Look, Lord,” they said, “we have two swords here.” “Enough, enough!” he replied. Luke 22:35-38

I think these few quotes will suffice for time being.

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I am sure that the massage of Christ is very clear. He did not ask his followers to revenge for his death.
But Bible massage ‘eye for an eye’ (or the efforts of Mr Sadiqe) suits Islam. Though Christians have long back ignored this idea, they have accepted civilization unlike Islamic nostalgia for outdated Sharrya police code.
Or you want to compare the ‘peace on terms and conditions’ to ‘peace’ of Buddha?

You have really confused me. Now I will have to read Bible, though Christianity is not a challenge.

(Ps, Ibn Sadique, No, I am not making any efforts to defend any religion. But definitely join you when some other ideological religion will become a threat to peace. And off course, thanks for your efforts, may enlighten us further.)

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To blame any religion on grounds that its Holy book mentions some 'violent verses' is not right. The most recent major religion is Islam which is about 1500 years old. Christianity is about 2000 years old. Jewism and Hinduism originated even in more ancient periods. So we must see what is mentioned in the Holy Books of these religions with the context of prevelent values of their respective periods. What is now considered as 'violent' was not considered violent in these ancient periods. For example slavery, which is considered most inhumane in modern world was considered lagitimate in all the ancient societies including Islam and other religions also.

Except for Buthism and Jainism, no other major religion, perhaps, is free of having such verses in its Holy Book which can be considered as 'violent' in context of modern world's value systems.

The only solution is to convince the fundamentalists of all major religions that teachings mentioned in their respective Holy Books are not applicable for all times to come. So many arguments can be given in support of this kind of thinking. Islamic society was not that much fundamentalist throughout its history. Moetizzillah movement in Islamic history is example of this thought that Quranic teachings are not applicalbe (in as it is form) for all times to come. They put many arguments in support of this claim. Unfortunatly, present day muslims are more fundamentalist than ever before. They want to enforce 1500 year old values which are mosly obsolete and outdated for the present world.

In my view, it not Islam or Christianity or Jewism which is to be blamed for mentioning 'violent verses' in their respective Holy Books. Because originally these verses are legitimate according to value systems and standereds of their respective periods. The only thing blamable is the fundamentalist behaviour of followers of these religions who insist that outdated and obsolte teachings mentioned in their respective Holy Books are as it is applicable to present day world and who are ready to enforce these out dated and obsolete teachings in their respective societies or perhaps in the whole world. And again, unfortunatly muslim fundamentlists are far more in number than any other religious fundamentalist group.

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Is Islam peaceful only for Muslims or this peace includes other communities also?

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you; and when you meet any one of them on the road, force him to go to the narrowest part of it.''
(courtesy, knightofhearts)

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**Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you; and when you meet any one of them on the road, force him to go to the narrowest part of it.''
(courtesy, knightofhearts)
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i see the practice of quoting selectively has returned.

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Really sorry, Nadia. Selective quotes proove nothing.

Let me quote Quran, from chapter 1 to chapter 120/ and pls explain what peace means?

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Yahudi,
Peace is just not something you can describe in one word…

But part of peace is that you leave people alone and don’t bother them by critisizing their faith or finding faults in it…

Come straight to the point and say what you really want to say…Either totally reject Islam and be on your way or say something which we can understand…

All I sense from your posts are that you are mesmerized by Islamic teachings and can’t get them out of your mind…

You seek disapproval from a Muslim’s mouth to affirm your apparent hatred and negate the hidden admiration you have for my faith…

I will tell you bluntly…Islam is Truth…That’s what I believe…

It contains balm for the soul and salve for the spirit…True, you’ll find corrupt examples of Muslims like me, keep in mind however, it’s me who is to blame…Not Islam…

May Allah :swt: guide you and me both to the correct path…Ameen…

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What are the reasons for growing tendency of militancy in Islamic world? No, I ask it the other way.

What are the reasons of militancy in Islamic world?
Why Islam is always symbolized with a sword among non-Muslims?

May be the way I have raised some issues is not correct. So far usually people do not question ideological Islam being a religion, but patience has its limits.
Islam is truth…no problem, let it be.
But how you can define militancy?

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Really sorry, Nadia. Selective quotes proove nothing.

*Let me quote Quran, from chapter 1 to chapter 120/ and pls explain what peace means?
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Yes please why don't you. i am waiting.

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have you not got your response to your query yet?

check this thread… I think you already got what YOU were looking for.