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^ well maybe you believe that the solution is only through military means, I don't believe that's the case. Without removing the political vacuum there and bringing the people in the mainstream the dispute won't go away.
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While Taliban are threatening Imran, he is saying that it is Zardari who is after him. This just shows his real intentions of holding this rally. It is not as much against drone strikes as it is against Pakistan government and increasing vote bank.
He even is not accusing Pakistan government. Instead his target is just one person. Zardari. He is trying to exploit people by targetting a person everyone loves to hate.
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/10/05/news/national/zardari-responsible-if-pti-peace-march-is-attacked-imran/
Zardari responsible if PTI peace march is attacked: Imran
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^ well maybe you believe that the solution is only through military means, I don't believe that's the case. Without removing the political vacuum there and bringing the people in the mainstream the dispute won't go away.
No. I didnt say that. Just military means are not enough. But the problem is beyond just America and economic deprivation.
And it is also not true to think that terrorists like Haqqani, Mehsud, etc. could be persuaded to give up their arms. Military means is the only way such people could be stopped.
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If it true then he should have gone to north waziristan according to his original plans, and where most drone strikes are happening.
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The march has entered waziristan. Probably the first politician to enter waziristan in 12 years, no one bothered during this time when the tribals were tortured by taleban on one side and the operations and drones on the other. Hopefully, peace can be restored in the area as well as rest of Pakistan.
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(http://www.zemtv.com/2012/10/06/imran-khan-is-the-first-national-leader-to-go-wazirstan/)mran Khan First national leader to go to Waziristan in 12 years
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Not allowed to enter South waziristan, headed back to tank. I am disappointed with the turn of events.
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I have a question.
God forbid, if something should happen to IK, what do you see the future of Pakistan ?
Are there other like-minded people who could carry his legacy forward or will this movement for change and a better Pakistan die with one man. :(
In sha'a Allah nothing bad happens to him .
But your question brings me to the "one man/person" factor , something I'm not in favour of , there should be many people not only one sharing the same goals and all should be known to people just like the leader . I think it's Imran's duty to find people (if he hasn't already) whom he can trust and make others aware of .
I don't like seeing a picture of one man (usually the president) almost everywhere when I visit some countries . That's different since Imran is not a president , nor he was picked up as a president without the approval of the majority of the people . But the one man factor is there .
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PTI (@PTIofficial)10/7/12, 7:43 PM#PTIPeaceMarch: Hindu, Christian & Sikh brothers from all over Pakistan also came to show their solidarity, says @ImranKhanPTI
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Analysis on PTI’s Waziristan Peace march | Saach.TV
For the past few days Imran Khan’s peace march is making waves across Pakistan. Parties like ANP, JUI (F) and PMLN have been very critical of the event as they know that if the march is successful that would increase PTI’s stature in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa at their expense.
Drone strikes on one hand are undermining the government’s operations against militants in FATA, but also a source of increase in Anti Americanism in Pakistan. Time and again surveys conducted in the country have shown the unpopularity of drone strikes in the country.
It is asserted that to fight the militants drone is the most effective weapon as the collateral damage due to its usage is minimal. Signature drone strikes are being carried out in Pakistan with the assumption that all military age adults living in Waziristan are militants unless proven otherwise. No proper effort is being made to keep track of the people being killed by the strikes. According to a recent study conducted by Stanford and Newyork universities, the number of high level militants killed is 2 percent of the total casualties.
Another myth is that drone strikes have decimated taleban leadership, hence helping in the war on terror. Although some reports have come up in the press during the past few months as to how they are in fact helping the cause of the militants. Robert Grenier (Former CIA Station chief in Pakistan) believes that indiscriminate use of drone strikes are causing political instability and helping create terrorist safe havens in the affected areas.
During the past 8 years the army has conducted operations in Mohmand, South Waziristan, Khyber, Orakzai, Dir and Bajaur. US has carried out over 300 drone strikes in North and South Waziristan but the situation still remains precarious.
Some very important aspects that are missing from Pakistan’s counter insurgency policy are development, constitutional changes (removal of FCR; to make FATA a separate province or its merger with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) and removal of the political vacuum there. Without addressing these issues the problem cannot be resolved.
In our recent history we have seen in Iraq and Libya as to how political instability (vacuum) helps in creation of militias.
Some people are equating Imran Khan’s march with appeasing the taleban. Do they want to assert that FATA is taleban’s property, or that only the militants live there? Who will speak up for the tribals who have been sandwiched between the operations, drones and militants?
I think (disregarding our political affiliations) we should support Imran Khan’s initiative as this would internationalize the plight of the tribals; give them confidence that the rest of the country has not forgotten them; and could prove to be the first step in bringing them into the mainstream.
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Noon League saying IK shouldn’t return without getting the drones stopped or else his rally will be deemed a failure.
Next time they will say IK should get Karachi normalized and … then…IK should fix Balochistan problem, or even Palestine and Kashmir … 
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^ Noon league, should protest against drones from their Raiwind palace. The conduct of PMLN and JUIF has been appaling during the past 2-3 days, no one expected them to support IK, but they could have kept quiet. Judgingt from their previous statements they seemed to be anti drones, or has that changed now? Is politics more important as compared to matters of national interests?
there are a few issues on which I think politics should be avoided, and these so called seasoned politicians would know about that better...
maybe I am wrong, if they had known the situation of the country would have been much better as compared to now.
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^ Noon league, should protest against drones from their Raiwind palace. ... Judgingt from their previous statements they seemed to be anti drones, or has that changed now? Is politics more important as compared to matters of national interests?
there are a few issues on which I think politics should be avoided, and these so called seasoned politicians would know about that better... ** maybe I am wrong,** if they had known the situation of the country would have been much better as compared to now.
You aren't wrong, you are only stating ground realities. No issue is beyond the scope of point-scoring.
Just look at Chaudhry Nisar, leader of the opposition (to PTI), has anyone seen him anywhere other than the National Assembly or Raiwind Palace? Can someone please tell me when the guy was last seen in Karachi who is wigging IK for staging drama in Waziristan? Daily bloodshed in Karachi isn't his problem? The agonising issue of Balochistan isn't good enough for him to at least make a visit to the restive province?
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If it true then he should have gone to north waziristan according to his original plans, and where most drone strikes are happening.
He answered that question in the Express News program To The Point yesterday when the host asked the same question. The host was travelling with him in his vehicle. You can look for that episode on YT.
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If it true then he should have gone to north waziristan according to his original plans, and where most drone strikes are happening.
Hope government does not stop him from visiting n.waziristan.......
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lo ji hunrh dasso.
‘Peace rally’ was drama staged by PTI: Khawaja Asif | DAWN.COM](http://dawn.com/2012/10/07/peace-rally-was-drama-staged-by-pti-khawaja-asif/)
**LAHORE: Prominent Leader of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Khawaja Asif said on Sunday that Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) rally to Waziristan was a drama, DawnNews reported.
PML-N leader criticised PTI Chairman Imran Khan and said “Everyone has seen that the PTI’s rally to Waziristan was a failure, similarly people would also disregard the PTI in the upcoming election.”
He said that Imran Khan was making people of this country fool.
Asif said that whenever there was any crisis situation in the country, Imran Khan was outside the country.
He alleged that Khan was a fraud and collects money from Pakistani expatriates in the name of charity.
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Imran Khan in Pagri PAWNED maulana Diesel Nawaz and zardari lol
EPIC Pawnge 
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Has Khawaja Asif recovered from the setback of his previous cameo which backfired in his face? 
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Those who think that the peace march was meant to down drones then and there, are obviously politically-motivated and trying to belittle the whole initiative. The rally was supposed to bring international attention to the issue — a feat that has already been achieved successfully. For instance:
"I was surprised to read about IK’s peace march report in my local newspaper here in New Jersey and also listen about it on radio, while driving to work. Even some of my co-workers asked about it after they seeing it in news. General feeing I got from them that it was not right to kill 10 iinocent people to kill one terrorist and US need to stop this. I’m not IK supporter but there is no doubt that the march has achieved its goal of creating an awareness to the outside world. Even if this is a political move by IK, I think it is a positive action."