Pashtuns vs Genghis khan's Mongols

excerpt from A MILITARY HISTORY FROM ALEXANDER THE GREAT TO THE FALL OF THE TALI BAN by Stephen Tanner)

With Iran being ravaged by Mongol columns as far as the Caucasus,the only place of refuge for Turks and Persians willing to fight on was south of the Hindu Kush, and Genghis Khan had stretched a full tumen between the Amu Darya and Khorasan to prevent such af low. After escaping from Gurganj, Jalal al-Din had been chased by Mongol scouting parties. At one point, he and three hundred accompanying cavalry had burst through a Mongol cordon of seven hundred men. During this stage his brothers, including the crown prince of Khwarezm, had headed in a different direction and been caught and killed.

The Mongols lost Jalal al-Din’s trail near Farah in western Afghanistan. The prince made his way to Ghazni, where he assembled and garrison Turkish forces, including a strong contingent under Temir Malek, one of the few Khwarezm generals who had fought well against the Mongols. In addition, the call went out to the Pashtun hill tribes, who descended from the mountains in strength.These descendants of the Scythians, Kushans, White Huns, Khalaj Turks, and perhaps even Greeks, gathered, ready for war, making Jalaal-Din’s army sixty thousand strong. At this point Genghis Khan summoned Jagatai and Ogadei to join him, and the main army reassembled near Kunduz. Genghis planned to march through the passes to Bamian while he directed another general, Shigi Kutaku, with three tumens, to advance due south. This general, a Tartar, had been adopted by Genghis when young and had been married to one of his daughters.

In the spring of 1221, Jalal al-Din’s advancing army encountered a forward patrol of Kutaku’s at a village called Valian along the Ghori River. The Mongol patrol was destroyed with only a few survivors. Jalal al-Din moved to Parwan, some fifty miles north of today’s Kabul,where he awaited the inevitable battle. Kutaku, possibly without orders, followed up the destruction of his probe with his full thirty thousand man Mongol army.

At Parwan the two sides met in a rock-strewn, sharply cut valley. It was poor ground for cavalry, so the mobility of both sides was negated. Jalal al-Din took the tactical initiative by ordering his right wing of Turks under Temir Malek to dismount. An archer on foot can put more strength and accuracy behind his shots. At the same time, the Mongols’s usual tricks of feigned retreat and ambush, and their standard practice of encirclement, could not be employed. But they were good enough to hold their own through the first day, even as the native pashtuns must have sensed their enemy’s vulnerability and clambered among the heights in order to shoot down at the invader, gravity assisting their shots with both velocity and range.

The next morning, Jalal al-Din’s army looked across the valley at a Mongol army that seemed greatly reinforced. But Kutaku had only tried a ruse, creating dummies of straw packed in clothes atop extra horses.Jalal al-Din calmed the unease of his commanders and remained eager to resume the fight. This time he dismounted his entire front line.

A Mongol attack on the Pashtun left wing wilted under a barrage of arrows, the men retreating in disorder. The Mongol general then ordered an attack along the entire front. The dismounted defenders were easy prey if the Mongol horsemen could close; but the attackers were hard pressed to penetrate the wall of arrows and were forced by the terrain to wade into it head-on. Gradually the famous Mongol discipline began to come apart. They began to fall back and Jalal al-Din saw his chance. He quickly brought up his army’s horses and his men remounted. Then he ordered a counterattack. The Mongols were surprised and began to retreat headlong from the valley. Jalal al-Din’s men overtook the fleeing horde and Kutaku lost over half his army. One can picture the most casualties in defiles where the panicked Mongols became jammed, falling victim en masse to the pursuing Turkic and Pashtun tribesmen.

Parwan was not just the only Mongol defeat in the war against Khwarezm, it was the only defeat the Mongols would suffer in any battle outside East Asia for another eighty years. But it may have been a Pyrrhic victory for Afghanistan, because it was unclear whether the Mongols had had any designs south of the Hindu Kush prior to Jalalal-Din’s assembling his army of resistance at Ghazni. Now Genghis Khan himself was on the way through the passes with an army of seventy thousand.

In keeping with past and future Afghan practices, Jalal al-Din’s army began to fall apart in discord immediately after its victory. The Turks became disenchanted in a dispute over the spoils (which must have consisted mainly of horses and weapons), while the Pashtun tribesmen—delighted with the victory but eager to avoid its consequences—drifted back to their mountains. Left with twenty thousand men, Jalal al-Din passed through the Suleiman Range into today’s Pakistan, heading for the Indus River.

When John of Piano Carpini interviewed Mongols nineteen years after Genghis Khan’s death, he heard many fantastic stories about the campaign,among which one rings true of Afghanistan. According to what he heard, the Mongols, starting from the Caspian mountains, traveled for more than a month through a wasteland to a deserted country where they found a man and his wife whom they led to Genghis Khan: “And when he had asked them where the people of that country were, they replied that they lived underground beneath mountains.” Genghis told the man and wife to order the people to appear and they seemed to agree. But then, according to the Mongols, “these men gathered by ways hidden beneath the earth and came against the Tartars to do battle and sprang suddenly upon them and killed many.”

What the monk heard from Mongol veterans is strikingly similar to the stories Soviet soldiers told following their war in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The qanat irrigation system, with its thousands of holes and tunnels adjacent to communities, provided excellent hiding places for defenders (in addition to the caves naturally carved in the mountains).

It is interesting that Genghis Khan’s baggage train, left behind north of the Hindu Kush when he began his pursuit of Jalal al-Din,was repeatedly raided and plundered in his absence. The sedentary communities of Afghanistan had fallen but the nomadic Pashtun hill tribes remained free, and were still dangerous.
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if you listen to pashtuns, you'll think they conquered half the world. truth is babar's army took bajawar in less than 45 minutes, and killed everyone in sight after which they went and hunted some rhinos because the pashtuns weren't sport enough.

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Mongols annihilated entire populations of non-pashtun northern Afghanistan but they were unable to conquer the narrow pashtun belt that lie on both sides of durand line.......the reason is terrain and the nature of tribes living on that terrain.........mongols in plains and cities were constantly harassed by hill tribes of pashtuns through raids and ambushes.....Alexander faced the same problem, he wasted years in his attempt to subdue tribes of hindo-kush but failed and lost his precious soldiers ......
babur in his babur-nama express his frustrations at constant uprisings by pashtun tribes, he had to send one army after another to crush the rebellions....
Akbar give up on conquering yousafzais when his army under birbal got completely annihilated in the yousafzai belt. his another attempt to defeat afridis to open khyber pass also failed and thousands of soldiers disappeared in tirah valley. aurangzaib himself came to attock and sent army to conquer yousafzais but failed.
Sikhs saw two successive defeats at the hands of pashtuns under syed ahamad bareilvi . when sikhs gained control of peshawer, they were unable to maintain effective rule over surrounding areas. They had to send large army to collect taxes. Sikhs best general hari singh nalwa got killed in his attempt to conquer khyber pass.....
British got defeated three times in afghanistan, not by royal afghan army but by simple tribesmen known as ghazis............british lost more soldiers in FATA than any other part of hindostan......
Russians faced similar situation like mongols, they lableled afghan fighters as 'ghosts" who used to attack them and then disappear.
Afghan taliban are fighting with armies of 42 nations with just AK-47, antique RPGs and homemade IEDs........they are not wearing any bullet proof jackets , and boots, only slippers......despite of all technologies, american soldiers do not know whether they would come back alive to their country.

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Pashtuns are not invisible, their bodies are not made of steel neither they are supermen..............what made them distinguished from desis/indics is that they never accept foreign rule over them, they would resist foreign occupation even if they had to die in millions. Read babur-nama, he said that no one would be able to conquer Afghanistan through use of force, you can only restrain afghan tribes. (by afghanistan he meant the pashtun belt east of kabul)

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most of that has to do with terrain and weather. the arable parts of northern afghanistan, and what is now uzbekistan, kazakhstan, kashghar, etc used to be inhabited by the same people who now live only in the hills of south-eastern afghanistan - the mongols and turks swept central asia en masse and changed the demographics forever.

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O meray bhai tumay takleef kyun ho rahi hey? are not pashtuns your countrymen and fellow muslims? . you are speaking about pashtuns in the way as if they foreigners........
tell me are you from karachi?

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singa yay marwati khoori :D

che ghalti shawa kana

jk jk

but your last line is interesting. :D

its funny you mentioned babarnama. i have been flipping through it recently, and he has nothing but disdain for pashtuns/afghans for the most part, but that is understandable given he is turkic and uprooting afghans rulers all the way into india. also he includes areas like bajawar and whats now peshawar under hindustan.

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yes he killed all bajauris and built pyramids of skulls of pashtuns......but pashtuns never stopped resisting......mughals had to send one army after another to establish rule and taxes over pashtuns but they failed...........so they had to bribe and make alliances with various pashtun tribes to have free pass to their province of kabul. Instead of extracting taxes, they had to bribe us.......

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He killed all bajauris because they were non-muslims pagans. Historians say that from description in babur-nama, they seemed to be related to kalash people of chitral and nooristan rather than pashtuns.

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i doubt it had anything to do with pagan vs. muslim because that part of his journey reads like some kind of psycho-frat boy memoirs - drinking parties and killing sprees - he talks of how the nuristanis brought him fruit, wine and araq which he liked.

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This overlooks that the Hindu Kush region was subdued by one of Alexander's Greek successors, Seleucus. He held it until 305, when Chandagupta took it over. The Indo-European Kushans then invaded and took it over next, followed by the Sassanid Persians, then the Arabs. The next invaders were Muslim Turk rebels, they conquered it too, forming the Ghaznavids.

And before all of this, the are had been conquered twice by two different Persian empires, and afterwards, it was conquered by Babur and Nader Shah, who controlled it until his death.

Hari Singh Nalwa died in a battle at Jamrud, which was on the Sikh side of the Khyber pass, defeating an invasion by Afghans coming from the other side of the pass. Sikh control of the surrounding areas may have been ineffective, but it remained in place until the British delivered the area from Sikh rule.

The myth on the unconquered Pathan is just that, a myth. The Hindu Kush and Khyber pass have been fought over, conquered and incorporated into various empires and states as much as any lands in the region.

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Being conquered means when you submit to foreign occupation, stop resisiting to invasion, bent your knees, accept taxes that is imposed invaders on you, adopt the language , culture and ways of invaders..............................pashtuns of hills never got conquered by invaders .............surely non-pashtun belt of afghanistan, the part of hindokush which is inhabited by non-pashtuns remained part of various empires but i am talking about narrow pashtun belt, FATA and areas of afghanistan adjacent to it. Pashtuns surely have adopted ideologies but have resisted any forceful imposition...the example is their resistance to forceful imposition of communism on them in afghanistan.

Hindostanis on the other hand are truely conquered people.

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The pastuns were conquered alright. First by Selukas .Gandhara and Peshawar, was incorporated in a Persian satrapy and then by the Maurya dynasty, then the Kushans who made Peshawar their capital… Atleast they had their original animist/Buddhist culture and religion. This ended when the muslim Arab and Turks invaded. Local Pashtun and Dardic tribes converted to Islam, while retaining some local traditions (albeit altered by Islam) such as Pashtunwali. Their entire culture was changed by these invasions. The area peaked under the Gandhara empire . Once Ghazni sacked Gandhara, that was the end of that civilization. Now it is a backwards almost stone age region famous for suppressing women, trying to assassinate school girls and General tribal barbarity. One can forsee that it is not going to be capable of invading into any of its neighbours anytime soon. Al biruni 's account of the fall of Gandhara: During the closing years of the tenth and the early years of the succeeding century of our era, Mahmud the first Sultan and Musalman of the Turk dynasty of kings who ruled at Ghazni, made a succession of inroads twelve or fourteen in number, into Gandhar – the present Peshwar valley – in the course of his proselytizing invasions of Hindustan.Fire and sword havoc and destruction, marked his course everywhere. Gandhar which was styled the Garden of the North was left at his death a weird and desolate waste. Its rich fields and fruitful gardens, together with the canal which watered them (the course of which is still partially traceable in the western part of the plain), had all disappeared. Its numerous stone built cities, monasteries, and topes with their valuable and revered monuments and sculptures, were sacked, fired, razed to the ground, and utterly destroyed as habitations.

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Well we can twist the history however we want but the areas now forming Punjab and kpk have always been part of different central Asian based governments. And all of these invasions have taken place through the khyber pass. Fata is difficult to conquer, we can argue that its due to the courage of people living there but then again the terrain has a role to play as well. Come out of fata and you enter plains which are easy to invade.

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You need to attend some history lessons…the present day KPK was once inhabited by hindus, mehmud ghaznvai massacred most of the hindu population and allowed hill tribes of pashtuns to settle in plains of KPK…the remnants of local population were called hindki/hindi by pashtuns…i.e pashtuns are not original inhabitants of KPK, they settled here during mehmud ghaznvi times… gandhara civilization was never pashtun…peshawer is originally not a pashtun city…pashtun people were tribal nomads, they never founded cities in old times.

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^ who were Pashtuns before ghaznavi? Have you heard about hindushahis?

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The Pashtuns were peaceloving Buddhist/animist people under the HinduShahi kingdom. They were civilized because of the wonderful civilization around them. This does not mean they were pushovers. But when exactly did their Marital history of invading and pillaging start? Under the HinduShahis? I don't think so. It was only when Ghazni sacked and destroyed Gandhara, these simple minded people were converted, their peaceful religion changed. Their code of conduct Pashtunwali also changed and became corrupted. Their culture was defeated and no more. They also Few examples: Namus-A Pashtun must defend the honour of women at all costs and must protect them from vocal and physical harm. Now they are busy trying to silence little school girls by shooting them in the head. Nang-Pashtun must defend the weak around him. The whole world knows how the minorities and the women are treated there now.

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Before I go through these posts in detail, one question. Who are Changezis? Pashtuns or Mongols who settled in Pashtoon areas?

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What does it have to do with Karachi?

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Hindushai bor kabul shahi were kashatriya hindu dynasty originally from hindostan/punjab, has nothing to do with pashtuns/afghans.........both kabul and gandhara were always non-pashtun.........

pashtuns called punajbi people as hindko/hindki/hindi.........for us the land across indus river was always reffered as hindostan untill creation of pakistan