Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
^ I see, so this is not racist...
** “These Pashtuns means like fundamentalist — religiously fundamentalist, religiously extremist,” Kamal says. “They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are ... the same.”
“The man who’s coming in front of you ... look at him, look at his face,” Kamal says.
**p.s. comments out of frustration can be racist and bigoted too
i dont think any of the areas are 100% Pashtun. There will be quite a few non-pashtuns from nwfp most notably hazara there as well as people form punjab sindh and muhajir backgrounds.
the Pirwadhai area of Pindi has a large pakhtun community not sure if its 100% or whatever.
There are entire colonies/places in Karachi which are 100% pushtoon. Can anyone tell me a single one from Rawalpindi?
^ I see, so this is not racist...
“These Pashtuns means like fundamentalist — religiously fundamentalist, religiously extremist,” Kamal says. “They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are ... the same.”
“The man who’s coming in front of you ... look at him, look at his face,” Kamal says.
p.s. comments out of frustration can be racist and bigoted too
I know that it would be very difficult to make you understand because you have mind-set or under the spell of some thug leaders. Whatever truth, you will try to portray it after twisting what it is actually said. Anyhow, above statement clearly shows that the comments made are not racists.
Ponder on meaning of what he said according to perspective what he said:
After reading the statement made by Mustafa Kamal, I could not see anything racist in his statements. One have to read his statements carefully and it would be obvious that his statement was regarding religious extremist and not Pakhtuns. But it seems that some people who may be racists themselves, have agenda and are propagandist liars, working to divide Pakistan into ethnic compartments, it is they who are trying to create perception that his statement is racist statements, and many are coming in the web of their propaganda. Anyhow, we should ponder on meaning of what he said according to the perspective he said.
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"These Pashtuns means like fundamentalists ... religious fundamentalists, religious extremists ...."
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Obviously in above statement, Kamal is not talking about Pashtuns as ethnic community but talking about religious fundamentalists and word Pashtuns is just there as perception of them being religious fundamentalists (especially to western journalists who he was giving interview). Mustafa mention of words ... Pashtuns means like fundamentalists ... clearly means that Mustafa does not mean Pashtuns as ethnic but Pashtun as fundamentalists (who could be of any ethnicity but are of same ethnicity as fundamentalists)
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"They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are ... the same.”
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Actually, in above statement Kamal is making clear to foreign journalists that their perception of Pakhtuns being religious extremists is wrong as he says that religious extremists have no ethnicity but religion is their ethnicity. As according to Kamal: [When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam, they are all same ... example: they are not Pakhtuns, Punjabi, Baloch, Sindhi or Muhajir ... they are extremists, all are same].
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“The man who’s coming in front of you ... look at him, look at his face,” Kamal says.
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Here also we have to see who Kamal is pointing at. He is obviously not pointing to Pakhtun (ethnic wise) but a beardo representing extremism in the perceptive eyes (who happened to be Pakhtun at that moment). Again Kamal reference is not to ethnic Pakhtun but fundamentalists.
So, the statement is nothing to do with Pashtuns as ethnicity but to do with religious extremism as ethnicity. Any person with little bit of intelligence could deduce what I wrote from 'Mustafa kamal' statements though racists and corrupts would find ways to twist his statements.
One can also see that the writer of that article also twisted Mustafa Kamal words by putting ethnic meaning to what Mustafa said but his own comments also deny ethnic nature of Mustafa Kamal statement as ... writer also wrote that the community Mustafa pointed to are not all Pakhtuns but mix community.
Writer should have done some thinking that when Mustafa is taking about group of people who are mixed community than when he used the word 'Pakhtun' and also said 'means like fundamentalist' than surely he does not mean Pakhtun as ethnicity but Pakhtun as perceived by west of being fundamentalists.
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
Thank you for the rang barangi post, as if you knew what is going on inside the racist pig mustafa kamal's head when he bursted out against the pakhtuns.
Thank you for the rang barangi post, as if you knew what is going on inside the racist pig mustafa kamal's head when he bursted out against the pakhtuns.
Brother, do not get misguided and think. I am sure that you are getting misguided by some racist pigs as after reading Mustafa Kamal statements carefully, what I can say is that only racists pigs are twisting words of Mustafa Kamal regarding religious extremists to misguided others and make his statement looks like racist comment.
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
Saleem bhai, his words are very clear. Quite frankly, despite all the violance, militancy, this guy could have been the new leader of the MQM with a better approach, but the latter, i.e. a better approach isnt there I guess. Whoever tries such a thing fails in the end, remember the PML[Q] leadership tried that against the Sindhis after BBs death and how well they fared with that/
When you are the mayor of a city, you are supposed to safeguard the interests of your minorities, and even if you cant, you cant make such statements on such a public platform. This just alienates the Pakhtuns, and it will cause more problems for future because they wont trust him for saying such things.
Saleem bhai, his words are very clear. Quite frankly, despite all the violance, militancy, this guy could have been the new leader of the MQM with a better approach, but the latter, i.e. a better approach isnt there I guess. Whoever tries such a thing fails in the end, remember the PML[Q] leadership tried that against the Sindhis after BBs death and how well they fared with that/
When you are the mayor of a city, you are supposed to safeguard the interests of your minorities, and even if you cant, you cant make such statements on such a public platform. This just alienates the Pakhtuns, and it will cause more problems for future because they wont trust him for saying such things.
Can you see or not that Mustafa Kamal in that article is talking about fundamentalists and religious extremists?
And if he is, then are Pakhtuns fundamentalists and religious extremists any different than other ethnic community?
Nevertheless, though Pakhtuns are not extremists and fundamentalists (as one can find such people all over Pakistan), is it true or not that in world, Pakhtun (however wrongly) are exclusively perceived as fundamentalists and religious extremists?
So, if he mentioned 'Pakhtuns' ... and then at the same time mentioned 'means like fundamentalists ... religious fundamentalists, religious extremists ...." than ... what should it be taken as?
Plus, his saying that: "They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are ... the same.” does it clear things up or not?
To me, his statements are obvious and that is nothing to do with racism but it is to do with threat of fundamentalism (Talibinasion) who are coming in ... very fast in Pakistan ... and they are trying to bottle neck everything.
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
after reading your reply, I heard it again. I'd say it makes sense now. However, he should have been clearer in words I feel. As a politician you can't be sloppy with discriptions of this nature as they become a thread with 100 trillion replies and 32 million conspiracy theories about mqm, musharaf, pmlq, and other non zardari/shareef related people.
after reading your reply, I read it again. I'd say it makes sense now. However, he should have been clearer in words I feel. As a politician you can't be sloppy with discriptions of this nature as they become a thread with 100 trillion replies and 32 million conspiracy theories about mqm, musharaf, pmlq, and other non zardari/shareef related people.
Bhai, word twist karnay walay mardood log hotay hain, however clear the statement, they would lie and twist things to misguide people.
Just remember, when government suspended Iftikhar they used the word suspended (mazul), but to give different perception, media and politicians kept using the word 'sack (muattal)' ... Iftikhar ko sack (muattal) ker diay giya. Similarly, ridiculous judgement came that stopped SJC of handling the reference but propagandist did propaganda (full of lies) that Iftikhar got exonerated of reference charges.
Just look at Liar Dar. He twisted all economical figures so ridiculously that even school children could tell, but media joined him and many got misguided. Nawaz statement that there was no involvement of Pakistan government when he left from Prison was so ridiculous that only idiots could have believe him, as he was in Pakistani prison and could not have left Pakistan without consent of people (Musharraf) in power. But, many mentally retards believed him and may still believe that he was telling truth.
[Pakistan has million of such examples where ridiculous explanation and obvious lies got accepted by Pakistani jahil quam unquestioned]
But in a sense you are right that crooks in Pakistan get away with murder because honest people do not have enough intelligence to clear themselves in discussion and on media when under attack ... because they could not explain themselves and their point of view logically. We should remember that to lie is easy but to explain things logically even if it is true is difficult and when people lie then to counter them become difficult for many, especially when those who one wants to explain is Pakistani jahil awam whose mental eyes are covered with not only little education, but with ethnic bias, religious bias, nepotism, pre-set brainwashed mind, mental retardation, slave mentality, and self interest.
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
So Saleem, why didnt Kamal bhai clarify he meant no disrespect to the Pashtun community? I think he seems very arrogant and proud of what he said. Also, hwy is he saying all this when Qauid-e-Azam Altaf Hussains having discussions with Wali Khan?
So Saleem, why didnt Kamal bhai clarify he meant no disrespect to the Pashtun community? I think he seems very arrogant and proud of what he said. Also, hwy is he saying all this when Qauid-e-Azam Altaf Hussains having discussions with Wali Khan?
When Kamal statement was nothing to do with Paktuns but it was to do with extremists then what disrespect you are talking about?
As for Altaf discussion with ANP, what is big deal about that? ANP is not party of extremists and they know what Kamal meant anyhow. Well, all intelligent person can know from statement what Kamal meant and that he did not made any racist remarks but remarks was about how fundamentalists are trying to take over Karachi, rather all of Pakistan, and they have plan too.
As for Altaf discussion with ANP, what is big deal about that? ANP is not party of extremists and they know what Kamal meant anyhow.
In case you didnt know, ANP was enraged, and I posted their protest about this somewhere, too lazy to dig it out again.
And even the NPR guy, who isnt even Pakistani didnt seem to adhere to Kamaal reasons for being so racist.
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Now please don't let yourself trap into the verbosity of nonsense. There is no need to interpret what Kamal said regarding Pashtuns being extrrmists and fundamentalist. He clearly says that he considers Pashtuns a threat who are plotting to take over Karachi. Now tell me what is so complicated in this simple sentence that one needs to interpret it? And only Kamal can say what he meant if it is relly unclear to some people. Am I wrong?
And then he goes on and says that Pashtun means fundamentalist and religiously extremist. Here he is generalizing and without any doubt calling all Pashtuns fundamenta0list and religious extremist, right?
His last sentence,"“They are coming in. When it comes to ethnicity, when it comes to Islam they all are ... the same.” is somewhat incoherent but in my opinion he is implying that the Pashtuns are coming to Karachi who in his opinion should not-and all Pashtuns, whether nationalists or religiously extremists, are a threat in his eyes.
The city Nazim like all other MQM supporters doesn't like it when other Pakistanis come and settle down in Karachi in big number, because of some unknown reasons these self-delusionals consider Karachi their personal property. The growing number of Punjabis, Pashtuns and Sindhis is simply a threat to MQM, because the more the Punjabis, Sindhis and Pashtuns will come to Karachi the more influence MQM will lose politically.
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
I know, and I wouldnt trap myself into the webs of verbosity spun by Saleem. And yes, Kamaal was being racist and xenophobic, and he considers Pakhtuns and the people from other provinces a threat to MQM's political influence.
This guy isn't sincere, he was doing alot of dramaybaazi when Altaf put up that last show where he threatened to resign from the MQM for the 1045th time, but took it back (for the last time) in the insistence of paid thugs like Kamaal.
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
and i just wanted to say verbose one more time. :)
well I said it before ..... and will say it again that Mustufa Kamal bhai wasn’t racist in his approach when he delivered those lines .....
he was merely guilty of generalization and yes indeed generalization is false but it could be or couldn’t be racist .... and in his case it wasn’t .....
yes there is a certain group among pashtuns living in Karachi , which is more or less like a threat to the peace of Karachi city ....
and groups like this exists every where .... in each race and nationality....
They manipulate the minds of innocent pashtuns in the name of ethnicity , religion and make them feel obliged to answer their call ......
That’s all the lord mayor of Karachi was trying to say .... but as usual his words were manipulated for conveying a wrong message to the pashtuns happily and peacefully living in Karachi .............
So Saleem, why didnt Kamal bhai clarify he meant no disrespect to the Pashtun community? I think he seems very arrogant and proud of what he said. Also, hwy is he saying all this when Qauid-e-Azam Altaf Hussains having discussions with Wali Khan?
Freedom of speech , which ya may not find in other democratic parties of Pakistan :@:
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
aliyish you say he generalised but he isnt being racist. can you explain what the difference is between making false generalised statements about an ethnic group ("these pashtuns... they are all the same"..) and racism?
aliyish you say he generalised but he isnt being racist. can you explain what the difference is between making false generalised statements about an ethnic group ("these pashtuns... they are all the same"..) and racism?
Generalization is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race..... like urdu speaking people are very fond of pan and poetry... or all bearded fellas are threat to the peace of khi city .....
and racism steps in which ya distinguish them as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.
Mustufa kamal 's belief isnt accountable for that ....
Re: Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi, Kamal tells NPR
so you feel that while generalising about pashtuns being a threat to the city he was not believing them to be inferior to those who arent a threat?
anytime you discriminate based on ethnicity and attribute negative qualities to the individual based on the group you are being racist.