Pashto/pakhtu for beginners...

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Yep western Pakistani and eastern Pakistani languages belong to two completely different sub groups. Pashto and Balochi have more in common with Persian and Kurdish than they do with Punjabi and Sindhi, like someone said the similarities are only because Urdu borrows heavily from Persian and in turn Punjabi and Sindhi have borrowed from Urdu.

Half my relatives speak Pashto and we live side by side with Pashtun people back in our villages and over here but I can understand a Gujarati person better or at least get a jist of the conversation but Pashto is a completely different ball game.

Same here, most mines are bilingual or trilingual and can speak Urdu and Hindko or English but I have problems with Pashto speaking cousins who grew up in Hong Kong, their English isn’t always the best so we’re sometimes living in the same house without being able to communicate properly, it’s a frustrating feeling, same with some Punjabi dialects, some of our relatives speak so differently I just keep quite to not make a fool out of myself. :blush:

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It’s only the accent! IEven though my Farsi is not perfect, i can still understand Irani Farsi. My parents are both flent in Farsi, they never find it hard talking to Iranians whom our our friends here.

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If you have never ever lived in Pakistan…Why do you even dare to comment about Pakistan…It doesn’t suit you…don’t do it again..

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:slight_smile:

Der Kha Zakk Wror Jana… :clap:

TO ALL…

PASHTO is a bit Hard to Learn… BUT… Once U learn it then Belive me… NO language will be hard for U to Learn…

REASON…

Coz… PASHTO have some Alhabets jo… Na tou FARSI maiN haiN.. Na Urdu maiN na ARABIC maiN and na ENGLISH maiN :slight_smile:

e.g ځ , څ

:wave:

Some Other Alphabets… That are Different in Writing :slight_smile:

ښ, ګ, ږ, ړ , ټ, ډ, ڼ

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Wawa! Exactly Bro!

If you know Pashto, you'd never have troubles in learning another language, coz Pashto has so many uniques words which cannot be found in any other language of the world, as Golden-S bro explained.

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haha.. nice thread..

i unfortunately am one of those people who spent 4 years of their lives in NWFP and didnt pick up any pushtu beyond certain galiyan :-/

manana zakk :)

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^ Bad Luck Bro!

YOu don't know even a single word? Please don't say yes!

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When do we get to 'khocha' ? :)

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seem like I m cursin out some1.. but Lovin it!

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My dad is Pathan and all I ever learned was "Uboo rokka". (bring me water) not sure if I'm even spelling is correctly. He speaks Pushtho, some Farsi, Urdu and Punjabi. But in our house we always spoke Urdu, adults spoke Punjabi. I wish we had learned more Pushtho. Kher Dey Wee Zakk

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What’s a KHOCHA?

:: Saimanyc

Yeah, you’ve spelt it right, but in another dialect of Pashto. We say Aobah Raaka - Wardag say UBA ROKKA, see the slight difference.

Why is that Pashtun parents never teahc their children Pashto? Damn that’s killing me…

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/\ thats killing me too… How come .. they wont know thier own language :rolleyes:

Well… DONE is DONE… If someone wana learn it they can :slight_smile:

Pashto/Pakhtun culture for beginners..

Ok a follow up to my previous post (cheegums attempt at teaching us Sindhi gaaliya not withstanding)

This time I'll cover tribes and pashtunwali as well as some general facts about Pashtuns:

Pashtunwali/Pakhtunwali is the tribal code of honour (nang) practiced by pashtuns. It is not applied in totality in more settled and urbanised areas but it still has a strong influence over pashtuns. I won't go through all the customs ..just the main ones..

NANEWATEI: Under Nanewatei a penitent enemy is forgiven and the feuding factions resume peaceful and friendly relations.

JIRGA: A tribal council in wwhich issues are decided by consensus.

MELMASTIA: Pashtun have been described as one of the most hospitable peoples of the world. They consider Melmastia or generous hospitality as one of the finest virtues and greet their guest warmly with a broad smile on their faces.

BADAL: (Eye for an Eye) Self-respect and sensitivity to insult is another essential trait of Pashtun character. The poorest among them has his own sense of dignity and honor and he vehemently refuses to submit to any insult

Now the tribes, as a rule anyone who can trace descent from a pashtun tribe is a "pathan" irrespective of whether they can speak pashto, but to be considered a pashtun/pakhtun in the eyes of other pashtuns/pakhtuns generally it is the speaking of the language and "to act like a pashtun" which is considered essential.

A list of all the pashtun sub clans would take forever but pashtuns generally can trace their lineage from the following tribes:

In Afghanistan : the Durrani and the Ghilzai. Other major tribes include the Wardak, Jaji, Tani, Jadran, Mangal, Khugiani, Safi, Mohmand and Shinwari.

In Pakistan : Yousafzai, Achakzai, Muhammadzai, Mohmand, Safi, Khattak, Khalil, Arbab, Bangash, Wazir, Afridi, Shinwari, Bannuchi, Mandokhel, Shirani, Bhittani, Kundi, Gandapur (not of pashtun descent but considered pashtun now), Orakzai, Niazi, Lodhi, Gadoon, Tarins, Kakar...

The tribes are usually associated with certain geographical areas, the names of the tribes are usually associated with a story of their origin, e.g., yousafzai means son of yousaf..a well known name in subcontinental history was Ibrahim Lodhi the famous Sultan..the term Lodhi is a corruption of Pashto originally meaning Ibrahim Loy dhay (Ibrahim is a big man) which was corrupted into Lodhi ..
there are many more tribes but those are roughly all I can remember!

The tribes as a whole are distinct from the Baluch tribes or the Feudal groupings of Southern Punjab and Sindh by the fact that there is not one overall authority decisions are usually collectively made and based on a principle that everyone is equal..( this individuality is considered both a curse and blessing!)

Anyway lastly here are a few interesting facts:

  • contrary to popular belief Peshawar has except till quite recently ever been a Pashtun city ..the city has traditionally been dominated by Hindko speakers and now dari speakers.

  • The Major pashtun dominated city in Pakistan is probably Quetta while the largest concentration of pashtuns in an urban environment is probably Karachi!

  • While pashtun society is conservative, historically except for the occassional exception Mullahs have never played a role in the society. In fact till the 2002 elections and events in Pakistan the politics of Sarhad were dominated by leftist parties.

  • Pashtuns are the only ethnic group in Pakistan divided into 4 parts, The Tribal areas, Sarhad, Baluchistan and sizable numbers in Punjab.

  • Pashtuns have a unique distinction, despite the history of warfare they have the unqiue distinction of spawning one of the few non violent anticolonial movements in Muslim history.

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interesting... well done

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Dodai khurray wror jaana?
Aobo raaRa?
Sangey haal de?
PaKhair/JoR de?

That’s the only Pashto I can speak, even that I think I’m probably pronouncing wayyy wrong plus I know a dirty word which rhymes with ‘dodai’ (roti). :blush:

Pashto is a hard language but sweet, my maamu’s son says to me, “why can’t you speak Pashto when we can speak your language? your language is so easy, I’ll make any random sound and you’ll have a meaning for it in your language” lol, joker. :smiley:

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په سبب ده ظالمانو حاکمانو
ګور او اور او پېښور درېواړه يو دې

:)

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Ma'afi ahasen min laghat al-arabiya. Laghat al-quran, laghat Muhammad!

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^ Care to translate!

Well Done Zakk!

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^ Thats Arabic, MY SWEET LANG! :)

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Its not that easy. Everytime I try speaking it my friends laugh their heads off. But I like the way it sounds, however for me to speak more than a sentence is impossible.Im a hopeless case. :o