Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed Imam

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

@ramesha

If we say that Imams of the Ahlul Bayt (as) were the mainstream Sunni theologians then I would like to know why then did the governments of their times, both Ummaya and Abbasi, oppress them? Why did the government burnt down the house of Imam Sadiq and forced him out of Madina? Why did Imams spent years under house arrest such as Harun Al Rashid keeping Imam Kazim (as) in prison for many years and his dead body left on the bridge of Baghdad?

Salaam Sister If only you had read the history from all the sources and not select version you would have found that Abu Hanifa (ra), Imam Malik (ra) Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (ra), Imam Shafi (ra) and many many scholars of repute suffered at the hands of Authorities and some paying with unspeakable torture to death.

@ramesha

And if they were Sunni then how come Sunnis do not follow their teachings for example in fiqh or narrate hadiths from them. Yes there are hadiths from some Imams in some of saha sitta but they are handful compared to what they knew and taught. Jaafari fiqh is far more detailed than any sunni fiqh and that is not my own opinion but you confirm that from any Sunni jurist. Jaafari fiqh is far more detailed in covering law of inheritance, will, burial rites etc. They taught classes that the founders of Sunni school such as Abu Hanifa attended. They conducted classes attended by thousands including the greatest scientists of the time like Jabir b Hayan.
What about close disciples of Imams who were clearly Shias many of whom wrote books during the lifetime of the Imams discussing the doctrine of wilayat, Imamat? are there not thousands upon thousands of traditions from Imams about the importance of wilayat?

Imam Jaffar (ra) did not write any books on Fiqh – this is known fact.

He was great Islamic scholar and he taught fiqh to thousands of pupils and the best of his pupils in Fiqh were Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) and Imam Malik (ra) who went on to write books on Fiqh.

So they are the ones who carried on the Islamic knowledge of Imam Jaffar (ra)

Imam Jaffar (ra) was a renowned scientist/mathematician and Jabir b Hayan was the best student in this field.

Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) and Imam Malik (ra) were contemporaries of Imam Jaffar (ra)

Imam Jafar (ra) 83 A.H - 148 H. Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) 80 — 148 AH Imam Malik (ra) 93 AH – 179 AH Imam ShafiI (ra) 148 AH 204
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal 164 AH - 241 AH

Whereas Shia Fiqh books were compiled in the fourth and the fifth century of Hijrah ( well after the disappearance of 12th Shia Imam) are as follows:

Al-Kafi of Kulayni (By Ash-Shaykh Muhammad Bin Yaqoob Al-Kulayni Al-Razi d.329 A.H.)
Man La Yahzarul Faqih of Shaykh Sadooq (By Shaykh Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Ali Bin Al-Husain Bin Babaway Al-Qummi d.381 A.H.)
Al Istibsar of Tusi (By Ash Shaykh Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Al-Hasan At-Tusi d.460 A.H.)
Tahzeebul Ahkam of Tusi (By Ash Shaykh Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Al-Hasan At-Tusi d.460 A.H.)
Wasa’il ush-Shi’aAl-Ḥurr Al-ʿĀmili (1033/1624 - 1104/1693)
Jame’-ul-hadith ash-Shia by Sayed Husain Al-Burujardi in 1368 A.H

@ramesha

If you go back in time to the original matter and beginning of the Shias then it started with Imam Ali as and the best of the companions of the Prophet not give allegiance to Abu Bakr. Did the companions and the tribe of the Prophet saww not believe Imam Ali as to be the rightful successor and Imam after the Prophet saww? throughout history these partisans of Imam Ali as held their adherence to the Imams from the progeny of the Messenger saww and kept company with the Imams of Ahlul Bayt as.

The letter 58 below clearly shows that Imam Ali (ra) was on same belief as his opponent (Hz. Mu’awiyah (ra) not iota of difference!

The thing began in this way: We and the Syrians were facing each other while we had common faith in one Allah, in the same Prophet (s) and on the same principles and canons of religion. So far as faith in Allah and the Holy Prophet (s) was concerned we never wanted them (the Syrians) to believe in anything over and above or other than what they were believing in and they did not want us to change our faith. Both of us were united on these principles. The point of contention between us was the question of the murder of Uthman. It had created the split. They wanted to lay the murder at my door while I am actually innocent of it **

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A letter sent by Imam Ali (a) to the people of various provinces, giving them the causes of the Battle of Siffin. ]
Nahjul Balaagha - Letter 58**

The letter below clearly shows that Imam Ali (ra) deemed selection Hz’ Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar and Hz. Uthman (May Allah be pleased with them all) per approval and pleasure of Allah!
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Verily, those who took the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman have sworn allegiance to me. Now those who were present at the election have no right to go back against their oaths of allegiance and those who were not present on the occasion have no right to oppose me. And so far as Shura (limited franchise or selection) was concerned it was supposed to be limited to Muhajirs and Ansars and it was also supposed that whomsoever they selected, became caliph as per approval and pleasure of Allah. If somebody goes against such decision, then he should be persuaded to adopt the course followed by others, and if he refuses to fall in line with others, then war is the only course left open to be adopted against him and as he has refused to follow the course followed by the Muslims, Allah will let him wander in the wilderness of his ignorance and schism. *Nahjul Balaagha - Letter 6