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But Shiva ji ruled the area in 17th-18th century. By the way how old Nagpur city is? Who developed it? Which famous temple is situated there?
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Parallel history of India briefed in 15 minutes
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Even Sikh guard killed Indira and entire community had to suffer:D
The Shrap was given by other Brahmins, Ramayan has mostly black and white character. Characters are grey only in MahaBharat:D, Greatest of stories of all times, there is no such controversial character as that book. Even today, discussion of characters of MahaBharat becomes interesting anywhere in India:)
Bhagwan Ram was 11th Avtaar of Bhagwan Vishnu, Rawan always knew that Maata Seeta is avtaar of Maata Laxmi, he knew abduction of Maata will only lead to Moksha as only Bhagwan can kill him:)
He is one of the most well accomplished person theologically, he developed Shiv-strota and as a yogi lifted Bhagwan Shiv and Mata Parvati along with Kailash Parvat:). It is believed that devotee of Bhagwan Bholenath is most powerful:)
God never sleeps, even if he has closed his eyes, he is monitoring his entire creation:), this prayer is so that he opens up his eyes:)
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Amazing. Almost like several pieces of the puzzle fell together
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Whati s the importance of being gate keeper of Vishnu? I mean is Vishnu one the gods?
he is one of the trimurti along with bramha and shiva
bramha has the role of creation,vishnu is the one maintainer or preserver by taking human avatar like ram/krishna or animal form like varha/narshima to save the universe from evil and third one being shiva the destroyer
prayers for god to wake up, meaning prayers to god after one wakes up?
kaur answered ur question,not every statue in temple are of stone made some are self manifestation of god himself like in case of in tirupati as well as vayu lingas
He is one of the most well accomplished person theologically, he developed Shiv-strota and as a yogi lifted Bhagwan Shiv and Mata ask aParvati along with Kailash Parvat. It is believed that devotee of Bhagwan Bholenath is most powerful
story happens like this nandi gaurdin of mount kailash doesn't allow ravana to visit lord shiva,ravana sings shiv strota my cutting his own stomach and removing intestines he uses it has strings for veena
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story happens like this nandi gaurdin of mount kailash doesn't allow ravana to visit lord shiva,ravana sings shiv strota my cutting his own stomach and removing intestines he uses it has strings for veena
The most brilliant quality of Rawan was that he never engaged in fight with holy trinity like BhasmaSur, Mahishasur or Kans etc even thought he knew Ram's Avtaar is meant for his death he waited for years before Shuparnakha gave him chance:). It was his BrhamShakti that he tied NavGrihas in his house:). He is considered to be greatest devotee of Bhagwan Shiv to this day and always prayed to him:). The shiv strota Rachna was another of his Brhaminical knowledge. Even though he is considered biggest villain in Hinduism he was the most special of all RakshasRaj:)
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^ Jai Ravan ji ki
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Don’t say that on Dasehra occasion.
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The most brilliant quality of Rawan was that he never engaged in fight with holy trinity like BhasmaSur, Mahishasur or Kans etc even thought he knew Ram's Avtaar is meant for his death he waited for years before Shuparnakha gave him chance:). It was his BrhamShakti that he tied NavGrihas in his house:). He is considered to be greatest devotee of Bhagwan Shiv to this day and always prayed to him:). The shiv strota Rachna was another of his Brhaminical knowledge. Even though he is considered biggest villain in Hinduism he was the most special of all RakshasRaj:)
Like You mentioned Ramayana is black and white with very little grey characters. Ravana was very accomplished . He surpassed even Rama in Vidya(education). In spite of all that, his downfall was lust for a woman who was not interested in him(Sita) which resulted in him kidnapping her. This was his downfall. Moral of the story for all the kids : Irrespective of your knowledge and devotion if you dont have character, even God will not help you:)
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Like You mentioned Ramayana is black and white with very little grey characters. Ravana was very accomplished . He surpassed even Rama in Vidya(education). In spite of all that, his downfall was lust for a woman who was not interested in him(Sita) which resulted in him kidnapping her. This was his downfall. Moral of the story for all the kids : Irrespective of your knowledge and devotion if you dont have character, even God will not help you:)
Rawan went to abduct Maata Seeta because Laxman desecrated his sister Shuparnakha by chopping of her nose and ears:) she pleaded with Khar and Dhooshan who were killed by Ram:) when Rawan got to know that a human has killed Khar, he immidiately knew that Ram is avtaar of Vishnu, hence he abducted Seeta, Even when Hanuman burnt Lanka he knew that only Bhagwan Shiv can do so:)
Abducting Seeta was his deliberate move to attain Moksha:). Ramayan is about good and bad people. MahaBharat is about real human characters with true human fallacies:)
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What does getting Moksha exactly meant? Why Rawan chose Moksha through making Rama angry. Weren't there anyother ways for Moksha known to scholarly Rawan?
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Hinduism means in reincarnation of every atma:), Moksha means independence from this cycle of birth and death. Rawan didn't do very good deeds hence getting killed by Bhagwan was the best and shortest way, he abducted Maata Seeta to get god going after him:). Secondly Bhagwan Vishnu was Shraaped by his biggest devotee Naarad of Stri Viyog, pain of staying away from wife, as well:)
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^^
moksha is liberation from cycle of rebirth from all the sinful human suffering and to attain eternal bliss to become one with god
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Rawan went to abduct Maata Seeta because Laxman desecrated his sister Shuparnakha by chopping of her nose and ears:) she pleaded with Khar and Dhooshan who were killed by Ram:) when Rawan got to know that a human has killed Khar, he immidiately knew that Ram is avtaar of Vishnu, hence he abducted Seeta, Even when Hanuman burnt Lanka he knew that only Bhagwan Shiv can do so:) Abducting Seeta was his deliberate move to attain Moksha:). Ramayan is about good and bad people. MahaBharat is about real human characters with true human fallacies:)
Again Shoorpanaka was lusting after Rama and Lakshmana when she met them in exile. When they rejected her she decided that the rejection was because of the presence of Sita and attacked her. That is when Lakshmana disfigured her. She then went crying to her brother Ravana. Ravana could have confronted rama and Lakshmana in a just manner but he chose to abduct Sita when Rama and Lakshmana were away hunting the golden deer . He went begging for alms disguised as a mendicant and took sita when she crossed Lakshmana's protective boundary line to give him food.
Ravana was notorious for his lusty nature. He tried to convince Sita to marry him and forget Rama but sita was unmoved. Sita warned him that Rama would come for her. Even his queen Mandodari who is one of the panchkanyas (the 5 chaste women) begged and pleaded with him to return Sita to Rama and so did his brother vibhishana. He did not listen to their wise counsel.
As for abducting sita as a deliberate move to attain Moksha, I am not sure if it is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana or Ramacharitamanas. I don't know. Can you tell me the source please ?:)
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Good question calypsodc. BTW whats the difference between Ramayan & Ramacharitamanas?
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What does getting Moksha exactly meant? Why Rawan chose Moksha through making Rama angry. Weren't there anyother ways for Moksha known to scholarly Rawan?
Moksha is liberation of cycle of birth and death. This is the final step. Here the atman(soul) merges with the paramatma(God). Hindus believe that performing you duty righteously and committing good deeds along with bakthi(devotion) brings you closer and closer to God and moksha.
According to Bhagawata purana, Jaya and Vijaya were the gatekeepers of Vaikunta(the abode of Vishnu). They refused entry to some devotees saying that the lord was resting. These devotees cursed them that since Vishnu is available for his devotees any time , the doorkeepers who barred their entry have to give up their divinity and be born as mortals on earth and live like normal human beings.Vishnu appeared before them, and the gatekeepers requested Vishnu to lift the curse but Vishnu said that the curse could not be reverted. Instead, he gave Jaya and Vijaya two options. The first option was to take seven births on Earth as a devotee of Vishnu, while the second was to take three births as his enemy. After serving either of these sentences, they could re-attain their stature at Vaikuntha and be with him permanently. Jaya and Vijaya could not bear the thought of staying away from Vishnu for seven lives. As a result, they choose to be born three times on Earth even though it would have to be as enemies of Vishnu.
In the first life the were born as Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashpu (killed aby an Avatar of vishnu- Narasimha)
In the second life they were born as Ravana and Kumbhakarna(Killed by another avatar-Rama)
Finally they were reborn as Sishupala and Dantavakra(some say Kamsa)-again killed by another Avatar-Krishna.
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Again Shoorpanaka was lusting after Rama and Lakshmana when she met them in exile. When they rejected her she decided that the rejection was because of the presence of Sita and attacked her. That is when Lakshmana disfigured her. She then went crying to her brother Ravana. Ravana could have confronted rama and Lakshmana in a just manner but he chose to abduct Sita when Rama and Lakshmana were away hunting the golden deer . He went begging for alms disguised as a mendicant and took sita when she crossed Lakshmana's protective boundary line to give him food. Ravana was notorious for his lusty nature. He tried to convince Sita to marry him and forget Rama but sita was unmoved. Sita warned him that Rama would come for her. Even his queen Mandodari who is one of the panchkanyas (the 5 chaste women) begged and pleaded with him to return Sita to Rama and so did his brother vibhishana. He did not listen to their wise counsel. As for abducting sita as a deliberate move to attain Moksha, I am not sure if it is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana or Ramacharitamanas. I don't know. Can you tell me the source please ?:)
Whatever shoorphnakha did, Brother never agrees that it is sister's fault:), He wanted his Paap to reach maximum limit, Charam Seema, in just war Ram would have defeated and would have got seeta liberating only him, not entire Rakshas sena and his son:). Even Ram defeats Rawan on 5th day of Ramayan war, but Bhagwan sends him back to rearm and attack later:), in all this Rawan had idea about Bhagwan Ram:)
Rawan knew about Ram's status when he couldn't lift Bhagwan Shiv's Pinak Dhanush in Swayamwar in Seeta while Ram did so:), Rawan also visits Bhagwan Shiv in his dream and ask why he couldn't lift a dhanush while he lifted Kailash Parwat along with the holy couple:), Bhagwan shiv explains that this is due to difference between Tapobal and RakshasBal:). Rawan himself explain all this while he was dying in Valmiki Ramayan, claims his Brahmin status and makes Laxman sit on his feets.
Good question calypsodc. BTW whats the difference between Ramayan & Ramacharitamanas?
Ramayan is in sanskrit, a post vedic literature, while Ramcharitmanas is written by Goswami TulsiDas during Bhakti Movement and through Awadhi Ramayan came out from regular caste structure to village choupal and gave birth to Ramleela in UP:). UP walas quote Awadhi while Kashmiris and Punjabis quote Sanskrit even to this day:)
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Tapobal and RakshasBal? Whats the difference? Was their any Swaymar for Mata Sita too?
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Good question calypsodc. BTW whats the difference between Ramayan & Ramacharitamanas?
Valmiki's Ramayana was the first one written in approx 4-5th century BC. Valmiki is considered as India's first poet. His work resulted in an epic poen of some 50,000 lines in sanskrit.The main body of the narrative lacks statements of Rama's divinity, and identifications of Rama with Vishnu are rare and subdued even in the later parts of the text.
Rama charita manas was written by Tulasidas in 15th century AD.Tulsidas' aim to make the story of Ramlila accessible to the masses.Sanskrit was seen as a very complicated language to master, at his time, and so for this reason the Ramacharitamanas was written in Avadhi.Its composition marks the first time the story of Ramayana was made available to the common man for song and performance.
I had read the translated work of Valmiki's Ramayana as a teen but I have not read Ramacharitamanas.
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Rawan knew about Ram's status when he couldn't lift Bhagwan Shiv's Pinak Dhanush in Swayamwar in Seeta while Ram did so:), Rawan also visits Bhagwan Shiv in his dream and ask why he couldn't lift a dhanush while he lifted Kailash Parwat along with the holy couple:), Bhagwan shiv explains that this is due to difference between Tapobal and RakshasBal:). Rawan himself explain all this while he was dying in Valmiki Ramayan, claims his Brahmin status and makes Laxman sit on his feets.
Don't remember reading this in my translated copy of Valmiki's Ramayan. May be it is time for me to reacquaint myself and reread it:D