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Don't remember reading this in my translated copy of Valmiki's Ramayan. May be it is time for me to reacquaint myself and reread it:D
My Saas is my audio tape, she sings sholkas and relays hindi meaning of it, intially I had problem in understanding overly sansritized hindi of her, Book has 24000 sansrit shlokas and she remembers all of it:)
I hate pundas memory too:D
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24000 shaloks… Pundas really got big hard disk 
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Tapobal and RakshasBal? Whats the difference? Was their any Swaymar for Mata Sita too?
TapoBal is the power that Sufis claim to have, like Pir Mian Mir wanted to destroy Lahore when he saw Guru Arjan being tortured but Guru Arjan stopped him, it comes through praying for years, similar to Punda's mental power
RakshasBal is physical power like JatBal:) Rakshas were considered to be most physically powerful creature:)
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My Saas is my audio tape, she sings sholkas and relays hindi meaning of it, intially I had problem in understanding overly sansritized ** hindi ** of her, Book has 24000 sansrit shlokas and she remembers all of it:)
I hate pundas memory too:D
in hindi lolz :D
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They transferred all four vedas through oral traditions from one generation to another before writing came to existence at that time when my jat ancestors, according to pundits,were learning to jump from one tree to another:D
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in hindi lolz :D
the other options were Kashmiri and english and I was equally poorer in that:), We call word Parikrama as Pari Karma:D, and Jatt and sanskrit don't go well together:D
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don't get me wrong
this shlokas are mean't to be sung in only sanskrit ...
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Grassroots level Administration in pre-Independent India:
The Chola administration served as a model for all the other kingdoms of the South. The king had a council of ministers. The kingdom was divided into a number of provinces known as mandalams, The mandalams in turn were divided into valanadu and nadus. The next administrative sub divisions were kurrams and kottams. The special feature of the Chola administration was the Local Self Government or the autonomous administration. The villagers themselves carried out village administration. It was more or less like the modern Panchayat Raj. Each village had a village assembly known as the ur or the sabha. The members of the sabha were elected by lot, known as kudavolai system. There was a committee to look after the specified departments, such as justice, law and order, irrigation etc., which were called as variyams.
During the time of the Rig-Veda (1200 BC), evidences suggest that self-governing village bodies called 'sabhas' existed. With the passage of time, these bodies became panchayats (council of five persons). Panchayats were functional institutions of grassroots governance in almost every village. The Village Panchayat or elected council had large powers, both executive and judicial. Land was distributed by this panchayat which also collected taxes out of the produce and paid the government's share on behalf of the village.
Above a number of these village councils there was a larger panchayat or council to supervise and interfere if necessary. Casteism and feudalistic system of governance under Mughal rule in the medieval period slowly eroded the self-government in villages. A new class of feudal chiefs and revenue collectors (zamindars) emerged between the ruler and the people. And, so began the stagnation and decline of self-government in villages.
During the British rule, the autonomy of panchayats gradually declined with the establishment of local civil and criminal courts, revenue and police organisations.
The panchayat system was sort of brought back after independence.The Indian constitution visualises panchayats as institutions of self-governance. However, giving due consideration to the federal structure of the country, most of the financial powers and authorities to be endowed on panchayats have been left at the discretion of concerned state legislatures. Consequently, the powers and functions vary from state to state. At present, there are about 3 million elected representatives at all levels of the panchayat one-third of which are women.
How is the village-level and grassroots admin done in Pakistan? Is there a similar implementation or a different one?
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don't get me wrong
this shlokas are mean't to be sung in only sanskrit ...
And for chanting these they developed Shastriya Sangeet:) and we use same sangeet in Gurudwara as well, as early basics of AdiGranth is written by Kashmiri Bhatt pandits, the monotheism of Sikhi is Hindu monotheism:). I also got to know that each shloka has different way of chanting it:)
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Grassroots level Administration in pre-Independent India:
The Chola administration served as a model for all the other kingdoms of the South. The king had a council of ministers. The kingdom was divided into a number of provinces known as mandalams, The mandalams in turn were divided into valanadu and nadus. The next administrative sub divisions were kurrams and kottams. The special feature of the Chola administration was the Local Self Government or the autonomous administration. The villagers themselves carried out village administration. It was more or less like the modern Panchayat Raj. Each village had a village assembly known as the ur or the sabha. The members of the sabha were elected by lot, known as kudavolai system. There was a committee to look after the specified departments, such as justice, law and order, irrigation etc., which were called as variyams.
During the time of the Rig-Veda (1200 BC), evidences suggest that self-governing village bodies called 'sabhas' existed. With the passage of time, these bodies became panchayats (council of five persons). Panchayats were functional institutions of grassroots governance in almost every village. The Village Panchayat or elected council had large powers, both executive and judicial. Land was distributed by this panchayat which also collected taxes out of the produce and paid the government's share on behalf of the village.
Above a number of these village councils there was a larger panchayat or council to supervise and interfere if necessary. Casteism and feudalistic system of governance under Mughal rule in the medieval period slowly eroded the self-government in villages. A new class of feudal chiefs and revenue collectors (zamindars) emerged between the ruler and the people. And, so began the stagnation and decline of self-government in villages.
During the British rule, the autonomy of panchayats gradually declined with the establishment of local civil and criminal courts, revenue and police organisations.
The panchayat system was sort of brought back after independence.The Indian constitution visualises panchayats as institutions of self-governance. However, giving due consideration to the federal structure of the country, most of the financial powers and authorities to be endowed on panchayats have been left at the discretion of concerned state legislatures. Consequently, the powers and functions vary from state to state. At present, there are about 3 million elected representatives at all levels of the panchayat one-third of which are women.
How is the village-level and grassroots admin done in Pakistan? Is there a similar implementation or a different one?
We hear from our elders that each Biradri (community /caste) got their leader , who provided solicitation for any dispute among the Biradri. There was also concept of Panchayat in rural areas. Now there is no such system prevalent, although people do respect the families of old Biradri leaders and at times smaller matters are resolved through them.
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And for chanting these they developed Shastriya Sangeet:) and we use same sangeet in Gurudwara as well, as early basics of AdiGranth is written by Kashmiri Bhatt pandits, the monotheism of Sikhi is Hindu monotheism:). I also got to know that each shloka has different way of chanting it:)
So Champion can sing too? is Gaytri Mantra a shalok... Om bhoor ........
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And for chanting these they developed Shastriya Sangeet:) and we use same sangeet in Gurudwara as well, as early basics of AdiGranth is written by Kashmiri Bhatt pandits, the monotheism of Sikhi is Hindu monotheism:). I also got to know that each shloka has different way of chanting it:)
speaking of classical music lol i was watching old telugu movie shankarabharanam yesterday
as you said in that movie same word will have defferent sound depending upon shruti.....
sorry i have little knowledge about chantings in gurudwara,carnatic music down the south are either in sanskrit or sanskritized telugu (thanks to thayagaraja) and are 100 percent close to bhakti roots unlike hindustani
btw if ur fan of classical music i highly recommend this movie shankarabharnam,should be available with subs
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So Champion can sing too? is Gaytri Mantra a shalok... Om bhoor ........
Gayatri Mantra is a highly revered mantra. According to Bagawat Geeta, it is the highest and the most revered of all mantras. Mantra is a sound, syllable, word, or group of words that is considered capable of "creating transformation" like a spiritual transformation. Shloka OTOH is a verse like a verse of a song.