Palestinian Jihadis have finally killed the very concept of Palestinian state

Because of them? Really.... I thought the missiles, tanks, jet fighters, and helicopters were Made in USA and were dropped on innocents by Israelis. Killing of innocents and economic blockade of million plus population is disgusting, illegal, and shameful. Israel has no credibility in this case. They started this and refuse to stop killing innocents. Just like you and your ilk always cry that there is no justification of suicide bombings, at least be consistent and call out this unjustifiable actions of Israel.

Re: Palestinian Jihadis have finally killed the very concept of Palestinian state

6 Israelis

700+ palestinians
3000 more waiting to die.

You must be blind not to acknowledge WHO is defending and WHO is oppressing.

Don't give me bullcrap about "hamas hiding amongst civilians, and Israel warned them to get out".

Are you crazy, have you been to the region?

Gaza strip is a dense and heavily populated area, People have NO where to run NO shelter, NO cover. To top it off, Egypt has closed its borders. They are just as equally to blame as Israel.

Israeli towns have BOMB shelters, where kids and people can go when a siren is heard. PALESTINIANS have NOTHING. They hide int heir rooms until a bomb blows them up.

Learn to think critically people, don't waste your energy in believing what the media tells you, they themselves know they are biased.

I am not sure if you are only pretending to be dense, or are actually so...but we are talking about the recent developments here and hence my statement is in that context.

You answered your own question bro.

You should struggle politically and peacefully. Build yourself up and make yourself strong. Do whatever you do, but do not throw puny firecrackers aka kassams at a soldier sitting in a tank. He will ignore you for perhaps 20 times, but then on 21st time he may fire the big salvo back at you. And if he does, do not run crying uncle uncle, mujhay marta hai.

The context is larger then that. If you dont know what has happened in the last 60 years, then talking about the current situation in Gaza is futile.

Yes. It is important to know that even 60 years ago militancy, Jihad, and fidayeeni didn't work. If didn't work in the last 60 years, then why it would do so now?

Learning from history is very very important. Dhoodh ka jala chanch phoonk phoonk ker peeta hai. But unfortunately Arab militants get burned, and then burned, and then do the same thing and get burned again. And the process goes on an on for 60 years.

Re: Palestinian Jihadis have finally killed the very concept of Palestinian state

Israel has succeeded in two things : being hated by a lots of people worldwide and put in jeopardy the life of innocent Jewish people ! In France, last Monday, a burning car was rammed into a synagogue door in southwest *France (Toulouse) ! *It is really really sad !! Remember, the same thing happened after 11/9 when people began to mix up terrorists and Muslim people ! A lots of Muslims/Arabs/ and even Sikhs were attacked !! The same thing is happening now !! IsraHell and its criminal and colonial policy is the only guilty one ! People are mixing up Judaism and zionism !! It is tragic !

The criminals who are killing innocent Human beings, privating them from dignity and freedom cannot be Jewish !! How can they pretend to follow Torat Moshe after that ???

Sure ... This is why a new 1939 / 1945 is happening today ... Learning from History but letting History happens again ... !

For those who want more information about what says Thora about Israel, an interesting link :

True Torah Jews Against Zionism

Easy for you to say mr arm chair general.
When you are kicked out of your home, humiliated, abused, and treated like human garbage every day of your life, and even as the victim you are accused of being a terrorist, then come back and talk.
Till you have lived your life as a refugee, you have no right to be dictating to such people how they should respond.

You have a point there. But the question is,

Must they continue Jihadi policies that triggered the homelessness and abuse to begin with?

Here is a simple maths for you.

2 people lose their home, they pick up arms and with resulting terrorism
5 people lose their home, then more terrorism
10 people lose their home, then more terrorism
50 people lose their home,

And the process goes on for 60 long years. Unfortunately no one says, let's quit the terrorism so that more people do not lose their homes.

This must be really easy for Pakistanis to understand especially if they read their own history.

FYI, If Jinnah wouldn't have agreed on the "moth eaten" Pakistan, we would be just like Palestinians running around homeless.

May be Palestinians were not lucky enough to get a cool headed leader like Jinnah. Instead they got the pseudo-communist generals like Yasir.

Seriously, dont people study history?

You must be joking trying to compare pakistanis with palestinians!

No one came into our land to invade us and kick us out of our homes.

It actually has everything to do with this meaningless terms you people love to harp on: "democracy".

May be we all need to read sometimes.

Haven't you "at least heard" that millions of East Punjabi Muslims died, and ALL of them were forced out of their ancestral lands?

Haven't you "at least heard" if not read, that 60% Muslims in East Punjab went down to zero% in less than a year?

Had Jinnah been an emotional Maulvi, there were plenty of reasons to start a full scale uprising against India. But he didn't. He complained but immediately accepted the reality and started his work on saving the "moth eaten" Pakistan.

Unfortunately Palestinian Jihadis never had a cool head, and that's the reason they have been in trouble ever since.

Here is additional piece of history for you. The same Palestinians were in trouble with Ottomans the Islamic Khilafat as well. Not just in Palestine, even in Makkah the trouble makers fought with Islamic Khalifa. It was none other than Arab Sharife Makkah who shot bullets at Kaaba.

Sure you can blame everyone but the Arab trouble makers for this. Such is the result of myopic history.

For all those guppies who are buisy in opening threads against those whom they call “Islamists” or trying to prove Israel as the most “innocent” one

Palestinians never asked for this, it wasnt their "jihad" that brought them where they are today. The Intifada was response to the occupation, not the other way around.
As for terrorism, recall the King David hotel that was bombed by Irgun terrorists, which ironically helped them get Israel even sooner.
I understand your math.. .Ideally I would agree with you, bur the world isnt ideal, what you dont understand is that its not that simple...
Your math only works on paper.. When you have actual people involved, with actual grievances, then your math goes out the window.

The process goes on because Israel refuses to recognize the rights of these people. Even when there was no Intifada, the state of Israel continued to steal their land, and continued to force them in occupation.
Besides, even if the Palestinians suddenly stopped fighting, im certain all that will change is that now they will suffer in silence, as Israel will only continue its policies.
The settlements were not built in reponse to terrorists, it was built because Israel thinks it has god given right to the land even though legaly is not theirs.
The land they steal is not from terrorists, but from poor Palestinians, who have done nothing to have their land taken from them.
There is no comparison between Pakistan and Palestine. Pakistanis were never homeless. The issues that lead to the creation of Pakistan have nothing to do with the plight of the Palestinians.
Its sad that its the Palestinians who must be the ones to compramise, even after 60 years of suffering, all while Israel prospered at their expense. Its always the poor and the victimized that must compramise in the face of oppression I suppose, (I dont believe that, and if your a Muslim, then not even your faith teaches you that, not even Chrsitianity or Judaism believe that). Your asking the victims to bend over even farther just to satisfy an imperialistic, bigoted and criminal state.
I applaud the courage of Palestinians and commend Arafat for not settling for an agreement that was little more then an insult to the asspirations of the Palestinian people.
Again, if I were a Palestinian, I would say to you, thanks for the advice, but until you have been humiliated and trounced on, until half your family is made homeless or murdered, you have no right to tell me how I should be dealing with my problems.

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lol @ burqa and allies. You guys seriously need to tap into your inner conscience sometimes. It's good to look at the skeletons in the closet to have a realistic view of the equation.

How many Israelis died in the last 14 days of this Israeli WarCrime compared to Palestinians? No excuse, buts, or ifs, just numbers will do. supposed silence Thank you.

This is a false analogy with no historical evidence to back it up. Another one of your stupid arguments debunked with much ease.

Anything else?