Re: Palestinian children killed by Israel=bad, Ahmadi children killed by Pakistanis=.
Yes you are right but you must be aware of fact that there is an under-current in our society to declare shia kafir as well. If that happens then it will make the opponents of Shia more powerful and they will bug shias on routine affairs like offering prayer, reciting Quran, celebrating eid etc. It will give them a strong legal cover.
Re: Palestinian children killed by Israel=bad, Ahmadi children killed by Pakistanis=.
Wow, amazing logic, You got me! 
There is ALWAYS ALWAYS bigotry regardless of laws being in place. There has always been anti-Shia bigotry, always been Anti-Ahmadi bigotry. But the govt is NOT supposed to be facilitating this bigotry. The job of the govt is to prevent such things, not to make discriminatory laws which make it easier for bigots to discriminate.
For example. You could not have a Shia arrested or prosecuted for saying salam to you, or for having a Muslim sounding name. If you went and desecrated a Shia grave that would be a crime. But you coud do all that in the case of Ahmadis and people would generally praise you.
If you killed a Shia you would be arrested. If you killed an Ahamdi, you would be praised.
You see how twisted the country is? The law makes it easy for you to discriminate, gives fire to the bigots.
Not only this, but as with a fire, if you dont put it out or control it, it will spread… So the govts constant capitulation and their readiness to acquise has created an environment where its not only Ahmadis but also other minorities including Shia and even Suni sects themselves that find themselves in he line of fire.
The govts policies have turned the country into a nest of vipers…
Re: Palestinian children killed by Israel=bad, Ahmadi children killed by Pakistanis=.
All you said is true about what is happening in society. Only point of disagreement is the cause and effect.
People repeatedly say that the laws are responsible for this.
My point is
Its prevalent in society due to jahaalat and corruption.
Laws have no impact on the direction in which paksitani society moves.
There have been changes in teh society - but the laws are still those 100 year old.
Re: Palestinian children killed by Israel=bad, Ahmadi children killed by Pakistanis=.
All you said is true about what is happening in society. Only point of disagreement is the cause and effect.
People repeatedly say that the laws are responsible for this. My point is Its prevalent in society due to jahaalat and corruption. Laws have no impact on the direction in which paksitani society moves.
There have been changes in teh society - but the laws are still those 100 year old.
I acknowledge that hatred and bigotry are present in society with or without laws. the point is simply that you shouldn't be facilitating such negative behavior.
consider also that if someone was on the wall regarding Ahmadis one way or another, dont you think an ordinance passed by the govt would be sufficient to push him over to the side of hating them and justifying everything the mullahs and right wing are saying>?
If laws had no impact on the direction a society moves, then what is the point of a law? Isnt a law made in order to control peoples actons and behavior?
Laws are the difference between society and jahaluth. Islam brought laws, before that there was jahaluth.
Re: Palestinian children killed by Israel=bad, Ahmadi children killed by Pakistanis=.
I acknowledge that hatred and bigotry are present in society with or without laws. the point is simply that you shouldn't be facilitating such negative behavior.
consider also that if someone was on the wall regarding Ahmadis one way or another, dont you think an ordinance passed by the govt would be sufficient to push him over to the side of hating them and justifying everything the mullahs and right wing are saying>?
NOT REALLY- PEOPLE OF SUCH DISPOSITION (AND COUNTLESS OTHERS TOO) DON'T REALLY GIVE A ** ABOUT LAWS OR GOVERNMENT. **
If laws had no impact on the direction a society moves, then what is the point of a law? Isnt a law made in order to control peoples actons and behavior?
Laws are the difference between society and jahaluth. Islam brought laws, before that there was jahaluth.
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT THE POINT OF HAVING A LAW 'SHOULD BE' ---NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IT IS IN THE REAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE COUNTRY
This is where i would re-iterate. Speaking against the law is all good and dandy in debates. But if you really look at the situation on the ground. Having laws or not - doesn't really affect these issues. Only education could solve this.
Re: Palestinian children killed by Israel=bad, Ahmadi children killed by Pakistanis=.
I think ... to compare the two is absurd.
Palestinian children and unarmed civilians (men, women, old and young) are getting killed by state of Israel, that Israeli government do not condemn but are doing that intentionally, condoning and endorsing such killing. Most Israeli Jews also support such killings and feel proud of that.
As for Ahmedi (in reality, many children and innocent civilians ...) who are getting killed in Pakistan, the perpetrators is not Pakistani government, neither Pakistani government or people condone or endorse such killing. All such killings are acts of misguided (deviant and Jahannumi) individuals or groups ... who are making most Pakistanis their victim (on one pretext or another), and whom most Pakistanis do not like (many even hate them).
One cannot compare crimes and atrocities of a group or individuals with crime of a nation officially endorsed.
Note: In Pakistan, most people do not only condemn such atrocities, but feel ashamed if such happens. As for what Israel is doing, Israeli government endorses that and most Israels feel proud of that.
Im not comparing the two...
Im drawing parallels between the reaction of Pakistanis (in general) to the situation in Gaza, and their reaction toward the plight of Ahmadis in their own country. Its not a comparison between Palestinians and Ahmadis, but between the reactions of Pakistanis to atrocities committed against each... Really, you can replace Gaza with any other place where acceptable Muslims live and are oppressed, and the point remains.
Toward the Gaza situation there is an outpouring of anger. Toward inicdents that involve Ahmadis, there is silence. No other community in Pakistan is met with so much indifference and disdain. Its a blatant example of hypocracy in Pakistan, which quite frankly makes them less then sincere or credible advocates for human rights anywhere in the world. Israelis and their supporters are right when they say that Muslim nations only condemn Non-Muslims and that Muslims are the biggest oppressors of fellow Muslims.
Re: Palestinian children killed by Israel=bad, Ahmadi children killed by Pakistanis=.
This is where i would re-iterate. Speaking against the law is all good and dandy in debates. But if you really look at the situation on the ground. Having laws or not - doesn't really affect these issues. Only education could solve this.
i would disagree... Pakistan was far more liberal and tolerant place prior to the govt creating such laws. If the laws didnt directly result in hatred, then they did so indirectly by giving space too, and legitimizing hate groups. By giving space too and credibility to right wing extremist bigotry, the govt unleashed a monster that now controls ever lever of society. Its capitulation toward regressive parties has emboldened them and allowed them to create a niche where they could create discord and disharmony. The right wing extremists have been so emboldened and so empowered, that they completely control the narrative. So much so, that you now live in a country where a Governor is Killed and his murderer is turned into a hero. Its insane.
So yes, the LAWS did lead to a rise in violence, either directly or indirectly. And repealing them wouldnt turn back the clock overnight, but it would be a step toward regaining control over who dictates the narrative. It would be step toward depriving the right of its teeth.
So again NOT having the law may indeed have an impact. Not immediate BUT slowly over time as space given the extremists is eroded