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Rav I have many, many.
I just don't want to speak in confrontational environment
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so just to be clear you've met many many women who were raped?
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no,
hmmmm about 4.
But I thought we were talking about women who did it , like with consent.
:)
Have you met any pakistani women who lost their honor "there" and still have easy-to-live-with personality?
Rape must be a traumising experience for a woman just like any other assault or accident can be traumising.....but what has her rape got to do with the bloody IZZAT for her father, mother and brother?????
"Rape" and "izzat" need to be disassociated....in every male dominated society these two words are strongly tied to each other.
Men have always supressed women....right from the childhood a female is fed on this male propaganda that female is weaker than male.....even when she gets praised by her father, her father always tells "You are my son ...you are not my daughter"..."tu meri beti nahin beta hai" .....in my opinion this is the best way to humiliate your daughter.
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no, in context hes referring to women who get raped, and are seen as having lost izzat.
I so like my habit of not reading the whole thread 
oh i get it, so like if you are a muslim living in UK or France and are sporting a beard etc or if you a re a woman then wearing hijab…then you are partially responsible for some racist thug attacking you? you could have taken precautions by shaving the beard or for women not wearing the hijab, because yes there are racist sickos out there, but the fact that you chose to appear a certain way makes you just as stupid as the racist thug who attacked you. got it…
errr…i however see things logically, rationally and in a humane manner
the example of a soldier on a battlefield is irrelevant,
but since thats the example you understand, lets say the soldier did wear the “heavy, uncomfortable, unfashionable…life saving armour” as you call it (nice hint there btw 
) but someone wants to target him with an armour piercing bullet, a damn napalm, chemical weapon, light sabers, the dark side of the force, adamantium claws, whatever..something that is well beyond the capability of this armour, then is the soldier still to blame for not taking all precautionary measures?
next you will say oh well if he did not want to be killed he should not have been on the battle field.
There is no excuse, no reason, for the victim to be ‘responsible’ for the crime..
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^ 
You can twist things any way you want… facts are facts… most rapes could have easily been avoided.
Rape is not good at all but before i shoot a guy for rape i wanna be sure that the woman he raped was a real lady, not just some wreckless drunkard.
Either way i would happily shoot the rapist but then depending on the sort of victim, the victims life is on her own preparation.
And yes i did consider the other options for example women wearing the Hijab should be more carefull about it when they are living in western countries as should men with beards… like i said theres precautions you can take.
Never give the bad guys a chance… thats why if i come across such people i will make sure they are in no position to be a threat… either run them out of town or gun them down.
When disaster strikes those best prepared come through it… theres no excuse for ill preparation.
The devil like idle hands… speaking of which i’m off, i should clean that rifle of mine… even though it’s oiled and polished i best do it again and fit the scope too. 
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lets rename this thread: Lets find a way to blame women.....yet again.
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^ chai break? 
I am not twisting anything..am I
you are continuing to blame the victim.
how am I twisting it in any way?
no no, its not just about hijabis or bearded men being ‘careful’ they should just not do it, because even if they are ‘careful’ and get attacked, well i guess they were not careful enough. basically any racist attack can now be blamed on the victim because its obvious they were not careful enough…
and thus are just as bad as the racist thug who attacked them. got it..
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^^^ So, by the same sentiment as per what you're saying - just like women who are scantily clad are asking to be raped, women who wear burkas are asking for racial abuse?
You got that ladies??.....as the warrior said himself - "never give the bad guys a chance"...so take off those burkas at once!
Not true.
They say looking back you always have 20/20 eye sight.(some thing like that)
But yeah we should learn form accidents.
hallalujah
the ones who change their mind after.
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so Faris Uddin, you feel that most rapes could have easily been avoided. how do you feel about the rape of bosnian women. Now admittedly many or most bosnian Muslims do not wear hijab, so is it your opinion that had they been doing so this would have been avoided?
there is absolutely ZERO evidence offered that most, or even a sizable proportion of rapes occur where women were scantily clad or were drunk. its such stupid argumentation.
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I am kinda wondering the same about going to masjid u know, because there is a chance some racist thug may attack me or even just yell something nasty and i have to be careful. and not go there then, I mean I dont want to provoke a criminal into attacking me
not just that I have to do what I need to do to blend in more, not just stop doing things that make me stick out, so maybe a few pints at the local should do the trick.
nice..nice..party time is on.
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Its not about changing of minds it about all those lives you have to take… believe me killing someone is not easy… and the last thing you want to find out is that you got the wrong person…
As for Bosnian women thats a different case altogether i am refering to most cases of rape within western society.
In war thats different, rape, murder etc become common currency sadly 
But as to the question as to wether it could have been avoided given the nature of that war i do believe it could… The ethnic Bosnians should have been ready for war as it was always on the horizon like many muslims today they seem to think they are safe in the west and that all is good… not even the UN will help when things go awry.
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Bosnian women were in western society. Im not gonna argue whether or not the bosnians could be better prepared. the simple point is to demonstrate that rape routinely occurs as a facet of male domination, and often has very little to do with the person being raped.
Now you used the word 'most' here. Provide evidence that the word 'most' can be used with even the slightest justification.
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Okay look it up on that other rape related thread.
I'm sick of talking about this subject. Enjoy yourselves and mock as much as you like even kings have been mocked so why should i care any less.
And i always was a simple soul so if i am wrong in any way then that i will soon find out...
God is my witness that i am no evil, all i do is for what i believe in right or wrong theres no doubting my commitment to the rightfull cause whatever that may be.
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lakri ki kathi kathi pay ghora
ghoray ki dum pay jo mara hathora......
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oh fck off with your high horse. i dont care who you bear witness to. for someone who denies raped women victimhood you are quick to pounce to demand victimhood from the Almighty.
you said most. NONE of the links, and I challenge you to show me any text from those links that validates that, claim that most rapes in western society are fake claims. (edit: and as X2 correctly points out, you're providing highly limited evidence for a completely different argument)
so you're full of siht.
A man who assaults a woman is not a man but an animal who cannot control his base urges - whether the rape was motivated by sexual desire (rarely) or anger or power over women. Those men are without honour and without decency and members of society that allows such a man to rationalize his actions by saying the woman "asked for it" through her own actions is complicit insofar as they've removed responsibility from the man to be accountable for his own actions.
Such men and their supporters are the ones who have no honour as honour is borne of deeds and not words.