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…and on a more serious note:

**CBR chairman denies receiving letter

**By Ikram Hoti

ISLAMABAD: Abdullah Yousaf, chairman CBR and a renowned and respected bureaucrat :rolleyes:, has categorically refuted the claim of a letter-sender that he has received any mail from Advocate Naeem Bukhari, who had also mailed a letter full of allegations against Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.

Talking to The News here late Saturday night, Yousaf said that he came to know about such a letter purportedly mailed by Naeem Bukhari to him about a couple of days ago. “Someone showed me the letter, I read the contents . . . everything written there was rubbish,” he added.

He further said that he never spoke to Naeem Bukhari about this letter, nor did Bukhari speak to him about the mailing or contents of the letter.

“Someone from the CBR bureaucracy might have manufactured such a letter but Allah is with me and everything would be alright,” the chairman CBR said.

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http://www.bendib.com/newones/2007/march/small/3-20-Bad-Hair-Day.jpg

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dunn mater man, if i am speeding and a cop pulls me over my would he buy my excuse that there were other drivers ahead of me speeding and thus should be given tickets first?

one guy is being tried, lets do it right and if he abused his office he is out.

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^Yeah, lets take the CJ out, close NAB, release Mr 10% and cut a deal with BB.

Pakistan Zindabad.

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Interesting…I am reading b/w the lines here:

ے صدر اور جسٹس افتخار محمد چودھری کے وکیل منیر اے ملک نے کہا ہے کہ انہیں یقین ہے کہ چیف جسٹس کے خلاف دائر ریفرنس غیر مشروط طور پر واپس لے لیا جائے گا۔

منیر ملک کا کہنا تھا کہ یہ خوف کہ اگر غیرفعال چیف جسٹس بحال ہوگئے تو قیامت ٹوٹ پڑے گی ٹھیک نہیں ہوگا۔’ایسا نہیں ہوگا، میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ اس سے ریاست کے تینوں ستونوں میں توازن پیدا ہوگا اور چیف جسٹس افتخار محمد چودھری کا بھی یہ ہی موقف ہے۔‘

:hmmm:

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^If i was Musharraf that will be my est strategy. Take the reference back, cut a deal with CJ, get from him few pro-establishment decisions and then at a later date humiliate him again.

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hahahaa..forget abt any favors from CJ my man. He's already said he is not going to make any deals.

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مشرف کیلیے جسٹس افتخار بہتر: ملک قیوم

Can anyone tell me a little something abt Justice Qayyum? I am thinking he was a competent judge, thats why he was given the cricket enquiry. The article says he was “mutasib” what does mutasib mean? :confused::confused:

Nice article overall. Must read. I was watching Live with Talat Hussain today and Justice qayyum was one of the participants. He always talks less but talks sense. He was also one of those people who refused to plead govt’s case.

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^^
Mutassib or Muhtasib? *

Mutassib means someone who is bias, especially on ground of race, colour, creed, or whatever. Tassub pasand = Mutassib.

Muhtasib means someone who is appointed to do accountability or Ahtasaab.*

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**Justice Courageous
**By **Syed Talat Hussain

**Islamabad: It was supposed to be a typical commando action: flatten the target with overwhelming speed and force, allowing zero response time. But like most such planning, simulated in excited imagination in isolation from slippery realities, it all went wrong. Terribly wrong.
Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, though shell-shocked and shaken, held his ground in the intimidating environment of General Pervez Musharraf’s camp office. When confronted with impressive-looking packs of evidence on his alleged misconduct, he demanded time for close examination. When presented with a vast array of names of officials and politicians, including the chief ministers of Punjab and Sindh who would stand witness to his wrongdoings, he insisted to consult his “brother judges.”

       When                    told that a “majority of his brother judges” wanted                    him out and that the acting chief justice was getting ready                    to take oath, he measured his words carefully and said that                    hasty actions would not be good for the judiciary’s reputation.
             
      When                    asked to quietly resign and take an ambassadorial position “worthy                    of his stature,” he tactfully declared that it sounded                    interesting, but it was important to take his family into confidence.
             
       Then                    Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz was brought in by the president’s                    military secretary to add to the effect of the incredible demand                    of resignation and to show that everyone–government, military,                    intelligence agencies – wanted him to step down.
             
       Contrary                    to the general perception that President Musharraf spent long                    hours with the beleaguered chief justice, the two were together                    less than half an hour. The rest of the time the chief justice                    was in the company of intelligence chiefs who were going over                    the details of the reference against him.
             
                          Sources close to him have told Newsline that Justice Chaudhry                    simply wanted to get out of the camp office, which he described                    as a “temporary jail” in those crucial hours. 
             
      That                    instinctive desire, natural in most victims under crippling                    pressure, was the turning point in the president’s attempt                    to send the chief justice packing. It is unclear how the chief                    justice who was supposed to give in and resign at the camp office                    came out retaining his official position. Perhaps the president’s                    aides thought that a three-month long campaign against Justice                    Chaudhry, whose hardest blow was the audacious letter from Advocate                    Naeem Bukhari, defaming the CJP all around, had softened him                    enough to extort a signature. Or perhaps they erred in reading                    his intentions as he was leaving the camp office, calculating                    (wrongly) that the man had been cut at his knees and could only                    crawl back to a humiliating retirement. 
             
       Indeed                    the media strategy for the anticipated resignation was planned                    on the assumption that the chief justice was history. An obsequious                    Justice Chaudhry meeting the mighty General Musharraf wearing                    khaki (the ultimate statement of his power) was filmed by government-controlled                    television and the official photographer, and then released                    to the media. This was sickeningly similar to the video clip                    of the meeting of Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan with general Musharraf,                    after which the humbled scientist made a confession on the national                    hookup accepting his proliferation crimes and disappeared from                    public view forever. 
             
      This                    did not happen in the case of Chief Justice Chaudhry. Once out                    of the confines of the imposing mansion in Rawalpindi, he made                    a few calls to his close lawyer friends at the Supreme Court                    Bar and the Lahore Bar telling them that a coup against him                    was unfolding.
             
                          The calls were intercepted – sources close to him say                    that he had told one of them that his phones were bugged –                    and in order to forestall any mischief by the deposed chief                    justice, brute state force came into action. He was taken in                    and put under house arrest. His brother judges were sent a copy                    of the reference – which sources claim was not even ready                    at that moment in time – on which to start the proceedings                    of the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC). 
             
                          The president’s order that restrained the chief justice                    from performing his functions reportedly was devised by the                    law ministry, where the law secretary for weeks had quietly                    levelled the ground for the day of presidential judgement on                    the chief justice. The order, without any legal or constitutional                    basis, was meant as a stopgap arrangement to block any attempt                    by the chief justice to retaliate.
                            
      General                    Musharraf was told by his legal advisors to press ahead with                    the whole plan and that the chief justice’s goose had                    been cooked. The chief ministers of Punjab and Sindh were told                    to sternly put down any reaction to the chief justice’s                    removal from the lawyers community. They apparently gave thumbs                    up to the idea and reported back that not a soul would stir                    in protest. General Musharraf was also told by his legal advisors                    that the chief justice was a nasty man and the lawyers community                    detested his arrogant, flamboyant and erratic ways. General                    Musharraf was led to believe that if anything, the legal community                    in Pakistan would heave a sigh of relief upon seeing the back                    of “this man.” Media managers were advised to gag                    all “hyper reporting of the event” and take stern                    action against those who do not cooperate.
                            
      As                    later events proved (see Military Imprecision), these were all                    bad judgements exercised by men who knew nothing of the law,                    or of the constitution and propriety of procedure. An operation                    that was supposed to be wound up in hours spiralled out of hand                    to become one of the gravest challenges to General Musharraf’s                    authority.
                            
      Chief                    Justice Chaudhry, who was supposed to be resting in oblivion,                    is swooning in the glory of a saviour with the kind of spontaneous                    backing and support from the public that can easily be the envy                    of many an elected leader. It is because of this mess, and the                    debacle that the ‘get Iftikhar’ mission has become,                    that even brilliant righthand men of the establisment, such                    as Sharifuddin Pirzada, have publicly disassociated themselves                    from the whole episode. In fact, one source claims that when                    General Musharraf contradicted Mr Pirzada’s press statement,                    it was because Pirzada did not know about the reference. The                    seasoned lawyer was so incensed that he threatened to resign.
                                 
      Further,                    the domestic debate triggered off by this sorry saga has gone                    many steps ahead of the issues that the presidential reference                    contains. The debate, fuelled by some of the most eminent and                    brilliant legal minds of Pakistan, such as Fakhruddin G. Ibrahim,                    Justice Wajihuddin Ahmed and Justice Tariq Mehmood, is now as                    much about the independence of the judiciary as it is about                    the autocracy of the system that General Musharraf continues                    to project as “most fair and democratic.”
                            
      Sources                    close to the president say that the country-wide protests and                    a string of resignations, including one by Justice Jawad Khawaja                    of the Lahore High Court, known for his uprightness and probity,                    have taken him by utter surprise.
               
      But “utter surprise” is an understatement. The President’s                    House has been shaken to its very foundations. Insiders say                    that most of the president’s time is taken up by this                    particular incident. His irascibility level has increased, and                    in his meetings with the Pakistan Muslim League leaders he repeatedly                    savaged their inability to come out and defend the government’s                    case. 
               
      It is easy to see where this spleen is coming from. All of the                    traditional methods General Musharraf has used to bruise his                    opposition, domestically and internationally, are not applicable                    to the current challenge he is facing. Those on the streets                    are not bearded men and veiled women demanding imposition of                    Shariah; nor are they partisan political workers demanding the                    return of their exiled leaders. They are lawyers and retired                    justices protesting against what they believe is the most audacious                    violation of the constitution and the final blow to the rule                    of law. They can neither be branded as terrorists nor political                    stooges – the two labels General Musharraf’s spin-doctors                    have pasted generously on anyone speaking against the present                    regime.
               
      Tied to this is another problem: the issues that apparently                    led to General Musharraf’s estrangement with Chief Justice                    Chaudhry are all politically explosive and now are being debated                    openly. Whether it is canceling of the Steel Mills privatisation,                    his verdict on the New Murree Project, or cancellation of the                    mini Golf Club plan in Islamabad on a public park, mega money                    was involved in all, and the list of beneficiaries of such deals                    all belonged to the ruling clique’s close circles.
               
      The missing persons cases, already a major source of embarrassment                    to the government, is also in far greater focus than before,                    with the role of the intelligence agencies at the centre of                    this attention. The same goes for police high-handedness, which                    the chief justice dealt with brashly but effectively through                    suo moto notices, forcing high-ranking officers to line up in                    his court and produce results on his instant command. Police                    brutality and attempts by high-ranking officials to save the                    skins of their subordinates are now being seen from the prism                    of Chief Justice Chaudhry’s experience.
               
      Some members of Bars at the Tehsil levels and from remote areas                    have erupted in applause for the chief justice purely out of                    their derision against the police, which, for the first time,                    was taken to task at the highest level since the country’s                    creation.
               
      But the breaking point in General Musharraf’s patience                    came not on account of the stream of complaints coming from                    police officials, intelligence representatives, land and money                    dealers and top politicians whose family and business connections                    spread across different institutions. According to sources close                    to the chief justice, in his estimation, the final decision                    to knock him off had something to do with his remarks about                    General Musharraf’s uniform, which he had said, could                    be decided both in the Supreme Court and in Parliament. The                    president saw this as part of a more elaborate attempt to destabilise                    him. Sources close to the president say that he saw this in                    the context of letters that some of the retired generals, his                    former advisors and politicians had written last year and later                    released to the press asking him to relinquish his chief of                    army staff position.
               
      Later intelligence assessments that were brought before General                    Musharraf to take a final decision on the chief justice concluded                    that Justice Chaudhry could not be relied upon any longer and                    posed a danger to the system’s stability.
               
      Ironically, in attempting to dislodge the CJP, General Musharraf                    has ended up achieving the very result he wanted to avoid: exposing                    the weak side of his power base and dissolution of the myth                    of its invincibility. The outpouring of support for the chief                    justice was second only to the ferocity with which the protestors                    were demanding return to genuine democracy. For days General                    Musharraf’s advisors kept on insisting that this was a                    bubble and would burst in no time. Their recommended response                    was predictably shortsighted: beat the protestors back and gag                    the media. Both courses of action backfired, blackening the                    government’s image and bleeding its credibility. The media                    hit back against attempts to put the kibosh on the daily events                    coverage and grabbed instant international headlines; the Bars                    protested even more violently and sent shockwaves across the                    country.
                         In a string of hurriedly called meetings at the camp office,                    an instant review was done and it was concluded that the situation                    was bad and that the tack needed to be changed. However, by                    the time this realisation came about, the damage was already                    done: General Musharraf’s advisors had not just cooked                    a sorry soup, they had sent him in the thick of it, headlong.

Very informative. Nice piece of work by Talat. I watch his program on AAJ TV pretty regularly. Recently, he invited a panel of lawyers, including Justice(R) Qayyum, who I believe is very close to the Chief Justice. In the program Justice Qayyum said that in the days preceding the coup, i once said something to the CJ aboutthe forces working against him and he replied by pointing at the lawyers “This is my Corp.”

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but but but sed talat hussein does not talk in detail about all the stuff that was shard with Ch Iftikhar about his hanky panky, when will we know the details of that?

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Selective application of law by someone who himself is a usurper. I like the sound of that :chai:

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if you are clean you got nothing to worry about. thats what I say.

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can u say he’s unclean? :chai:

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can you say he is clean? ;)

the allegations are there,
his son did get a job he was not qualified for
he did chew out reporters who covered that story
he did force the the networks to apologize

let it be investigated and reviewed by the Council, if he is not guilty, apologies are due and he deserves his post. If he is guilty, he needs to be removed.

right?

From what I read now Ch Iftikhar and his lawyer are asking that certain people be removed from that council because they may be biased since it will make them next in line for CJ office or because these ppl have complaints against them.

To which I say, dude, why did you not do anything about judges who had complaints against them, being the CJ, and then if you think there are ppl in the supreme court who are so self serving taht they will screw you over to advance themselves, why did you allow ppl like that to serve in that role for so long? and I mean if those guys dont have justice at the top of their agenda, then is it okay if they screw the public? but not okay if he may be screwed over? come on..

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Yup. Innocent till proven guilty. :chai:

Thats what I am saying..allegations.

First time I am hearing the next in line argument. out of 5 judges, CJ has issue with 3. The LHC CJ is not on talking terms with the CJ cuz CJ turned down his requests for posting. 2 have references against them.

When were these references received? what if they were received a month b4 the CJ was kicked? I was listening to Justice. Shah and he said that the references received from the public need to be studied before a justice can be moved against and from CJ’s own accounts, he was in the process of doing just that. :slight_smile:

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Soo…I just turned on my TV to see what’s going on at the SC building and the cable was off. I called my cable operator and rather unsurprisingly he told me that he govt. had asked them to turn it off. Dictators are so predictable :rolleyes:

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^Ofcourse

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icon: r u in Islamabad?

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Nopes, otherwise i cud have met you when you went to rally.