Pakistan's top judge is suspended (Merged)

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A serving CJ cannot be suspended in the manner that he was. Constitution is very clear on that. Justice Javed himself has said that Justice Iftikhar is still the CJ and even the govt. has retreated from its suspension/made non-functional stance. Moreover, this has already been beaten to death and back so lets just agree to disagree. :slight_smile:

The govt.s resources in terms of collecting evidence against an individual go way beyond the ‘lowly’ office of the CJ. Case in point: Last night I was watching an interview with ex-CJ Sajjad Ali Shah. During the course of the interview he mentioned that one of the judges in the bench that heard Bhutto’s case mentioned to a BBC journalist that the SC had advised the govt. to reduce the death sentence of ZAB to a life sentence and that the govt. will consider it seriously given that it was coming from such a high authroty. Of course, dearest dictator was furious. The implication was that the SC wants him to spare his life, foreign heads of state want Zia to spare his life but that Zia was being vindictive and all.

Returning the favor, the govt. dug up some old records and found an Fsc/matric certificate of our hero judge from pre-partition days. The govt said it was forged. And it was. The judge stepped down. End of story. U think, more than 2 decades later, a similar dictator would give two hoots abt office record to establish guilt? I think not.

would have, should have, could have. He is not being punished for his misconduct. Like I just mentioned: the govt would have found something else to incriminate the CJ even if he had not taken these cars. Cant u connect the dots: Late february: CJ delivers a speech to young cadets saying that in his opinion the President should not be wearing unifrom. By mid-march, he’s sent packing. come on.

What else is this, if not a political issue? From the word go. Legal/Constitutional? Matter of Principle? Really? Are we that gullible? :confused:

And if we have an issue with the political overtones of a CJ wanting to walk to his office, how abt we also take up an issue with a general driving up to the parliament and taking it hostage. I dont suppose a political military is an imp. enough issue to be discussed. All get used to it now.

What if u dont want to? :confused:

errrr…how abt we raise this question in a cabinet meeting?

Who’s to say he is not. You? Me? or the SJC?

allegations, not convictions. Innocent till proven guilty. :chai:

When was the last time a general laid his life for Pakistan? :hmmm:

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Bewaqoofi ki bhi hud hoti hai. Abay, Pakistanis (and all nations with armed forces) should be grateful that there are people that are willing to sacrifice their life to defend the lives of others.

From some of the posts I have read previously, I believe Musharaf was on active duty in 65 and 71. If I am wrong I apologize, as I do not know much about Pakistan Military history.

The point remains, all of us should be grateful to the people that put on the uniform to protect the lives of ordinary people like you and me. I hope peace prevails, and they never get an opportunity to lay their lives for us if it is only to make point to people like you. Get a life.

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the only person who needs to get a life is u my dear. The reason I posted an out of context response was to highlight the fact that Pir had failed to notice the fact that I was referring to Musharraf's obvious love for power by staying in uniform. I was not trying to disrespect the ord. soldier. Get it? Now go away.

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Long Live Musharaf. The only man that can bring peace between India and Pakistan.

Long Live Musharaf, and all the military men that serve their nations, whether Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Christians. It is because of them that we all can sleep at night knowing someone is willing to sacrifice their lives to protect the lives of us ordinary people, wherever we may live.

To all the military men and women around the world, whether Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, budhist or whatever faith you belong to, we salute you :Salute:

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You have every right to your opinion, even if it's grossy wrong..no normal nation on earth or political scientist or lawyer of any repute anywhere in the world would agee with you...corruption is in **no way equivalent to treason **or gross abuse of power. A white collar criminal will go prison for anything between 4-12 years (as much as Zardari already has if you were to use him as an example) or lose a hand if under shariah law.

By contrast the punishment for subverting or supporting the subversion of the law of the land is pretty straight forward life imprisonment or death.

To clarify the term **gross abuse of power **: would be attempts to do large scale manipulation of the existing system of law through influencing the judiciary or by influencing the electoral process (referendums, post poll rigging and local elections are good examples of that), or to have allowed the abuse of peoples human rights(illegal detention, torture, arrest without trial and extra judicial murder (beating the Supreme Court CJ may just fall under the category, and don't let me start on Waziristan and Balochistan).

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Aalsi,

You remind me,

Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Easai sub ko mera salaam. By the are you athiest?

FARID

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Nope. He’s a Hindu. Right Aalsi? :hmmm:

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May aik gunhagaar insaan hoo. Meray khuda mujhe maaf karai. Ameen.

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Bingo.

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I learned a new word today: تذبذب (meaning doubt :p)
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حکومت ریفرنس پر تذبذب کا شکار

حکومت کو یہ ڈر ہے کہ اگر کونسل کو کارروائی کھلی عدالت میں کروانے کا فیصلہ ہو گیا تو سپریم جوڈیشل کونسل کے کچھ اراکان شاید از خود ہی کونسل میں شمولیت سے دستبردار ہو جائیں جس سے حکومت کے مسائل میں اضافہ ہو جائے گ

حکومتی مشیروں کو ڈر ہے کہ اگر جسٹس افتخار محمد چوہدری کا معاملہ کھلی عدالت میں آ گیا تو ایسے سوالات بھی اٹھ سکتے ہیں کہ کون سا جج 1600 سی سی کار میں سفر کرتا ہے اور کس حکومتی عہدیدار کو کتنی کاریں رکھنے کا اختیار ہے اور در حقیت کتنی کاریں ان کے استعمال میں ہی

**جسٹس افتخارمحمد چودھری پر یہ الزام بھی ہے کہ انہوں نے اپنے اختیارات کا غلط استعمال کرتے ہوئے اپنے بیٹے کو چیف منسٹر کے کوٹے سے میڈیکل کالج میں داخلہ دلوایا۔

حکومتی مشیروں کا خیال ہے کہ اگر کارروائی کھلے عام ہوئی تو کئی ججوں پر ایسے اعتراضات اٹھ سکتے ہیں۔

**BBCUrdu.com
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** Dogar declines govt offer to prosecute CJP’s case**

Our Staff Reporter

LAHORE - Senior lawyer and President Pakistan Lawyers’ Forum AK Dogar has declined government offer to prosecute its presidential reference against Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry pending before the Supreme Judicial Council.
He termed the offer of the government as his insult and said he was the first lawyer who challenged the military assault on the democracy before the Supreme Court and never would favour the military government.
Dogar disclosed this in a letter, written to Lahore High Court Bar Association (LHCBA) President Ahsan Bhoon, requesting him to convey his protest to the military government. He said despite his repeated denial, the government officials from Karachi had contacted him four times requesting to represent it before the SJC.

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2007/31/localnews3.php

SC may interpret Article 209, says Qayyum

SAJID ZIA

LAHORE - The Supreme Court may in the first instance, interpret Article 209 of the Constitution to settle down certain points which strike the popular mind with regard to the reference.
Questions including whether a reference can be filed against a sitting Chief Justice and whether an Acting Chief Justice can sit in Supreme Judicial Council to hear the same, are striking minds of most of the people. And in order to satisfy them, these questions may be addressed at the Court level, opined former president Supreme Court Bar Association Malik Qayyum while talking this scribe Friday.
He said the ministry of law had contacted him to plead for the government in the reference before the Supreme Judicial Council but he straightway refused the offer arguing he cannot go against the popular sentiments on the reference. Now the government has engaged Senator Wasim Sajjad for this purpose and he is compelled to serve being a senator on ruling side.

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2007/31/localnews4.php

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yup, so lets have the hearing.
and as far as govt digging up something ..one thing or another on him..thatd fine
as I said even al capone was arrested on tax evasion and not on mob stuff.

if he is clean, then no matter what anyone’s intentions are, he is fine.

if he has abused his power, as it appears with getting his son a cushy job or by threatening media like he has done, then he needs to go. No matter what the motives of people who want him gone.

PS: the innocent until proven guilty wisdom needs to apply universally then, but hey trying ppl we dont like in the media is quite in style these days.

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u’re taking too simplistic a view. If CJ Iftikhar is to be tried for his breaches, then all high offices should be judged against the same standard. The govt. can’t pick and choose to apply morality. One is constrained to question govt’s intentions when it turns a blind eye towards judges with more serious allegations against them..when quite innocently one of these very allegedly corrupt judges goes on to declare that every action taken by the govt. since March 09 is in line with the constitution while a petition challenging those very actions lies before that VERY judge. Sounds rather interesting to me.

Then again, what can be expected of a govt. that busts open lawyers’ heads and has the CJ grabbed by the hair yet run for cover citing possible danger to human life when confronted by Islamic vigilantes wishing to weed out corrupt elements from the society. Maybe a better course of action for the govt. would be to declare that it was blackmailed into sending the reference by these self claimed defenders of all that is good. I think everyone would understand the govt’s point of view then and no one would protest. Easy peasy. Look at the meager amount of concern abt the drama at Aabpara. I say its a genuine exit strategy :hmmm:

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as they say keep is simple....

lets handle one thing at a time shall we? if he commited a crime being the CJ of Pakistan than he needs to pay for it..period.

If we are going to go on tangents that everyone else needs to be tried first then by that token I can say no one can be convicted of any crime atleast until 100% of the haram khor qaum can start paying their taxes.

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no tangents…accountability should be across the board…its simple. I am not asking Mush to dust off ACRs from '47…just bring to task the current people in office…he’s done it against the CJ..why not other, bigger haram khors? Why not? :confused:

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sure...lets go after everyone.
but, lets sort out the CJ issue first.

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sure…but the allegations against some of the high and mighty have been floating around even before the CJ became the chief. :party:

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**Justice in the dock
** By Ashraf Mumtaz

Talking to Dawn Magazine, leading lawyer Abid Hassan Minto said, “The government has the power to withdraw the reference against Justice Chaudhry. He who initiates an action can also take it back."

The reference has many loopholes. It has not been sent to a Supreme Judicial Council set up under Article 209 of the Constitution. In fact, it was referred to a body the CJP was not a part of.

** The argument that since the CJP was a defendant the president was empowered to change the composition of the body is absurd. The proper way is that the reference should be sent to the SJC headed by the CJP. And if the CJP happens to be the respondent, he will withdraw himself from the council, and then the next senior most judge will head it. There was just no need for the government to make the CJP non-functional or send him on forced leave. As the CJP, he will not be sitting in the SJC, but he remains the chief justice and has the authority to perform the remaining functions of his office. If the CJP himself decides not to discharge the remaining duties of his office, he can tell the president, and then the latter can appoint an acting CJP.

Mr Minto says that since the composition of the SJC has already been challenged on the plea that it was not in accordance with Article 209 of the Constitution, the president can still withdraw the reference — and file it again, if necessary.

Asked whether Justice Chaudhry was still competent to perform the rest of the functions as the CJP, Mr Minto said: "Why not?”**

According to Mr Minto, the reference has to be decided on the basis of merit, therefore there is no reason why he should be made non-functional.

He said the SJC could reject the reference on technical or other grounds. In such a situation Justice Chaudhry will again become an effective CJP. But the consequences of such a situation will be very serious. The president’s position will weaken as people already oppose him for working simultaneously as head of state and the army chief at the same time.

Public opinion and the bar reaction to the situation may strengthen the judiciary’s hands, and it could one day decide to get rid of the infamous ‘law of necessity’ on the basis of which many illegal acts have been justified in the past. But then the question that needs to be asked is: will the president and (reinstated) Justice Chaudhry be able to co-exist?

Mr Minto says, “Much will depend on the campaign of the bar and the political situation in the country. The two may co-exist for some time. But nobody should forget that Justice Chaudhry’s term comes to an end in 2013. If the decision of the reference comes in favour of Justice Chaudhry, President Musharraf’s plan to get himself re-elected in uniform, or without it, may be raised by his critics.

If the judiciary says goodbye to the law of necessity, the co-existence of a reinstated CJP and the president will become further difficult. All said and done, as a result of this reference, the position of the government will weaken."

But what if charges against the CJ are proved? “The position of the government may strengthen for some time. But given the situation in the bar, nobody will be ready to accept such a verdict,” thinks Mr Minto.

And this will not be the first time that such a situation will arise. The courts awarded capital punishment to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in the late ‘70s, but the people still don’t accept that decision. They insist, to date, that Bhutto was hanged for political reasons.

Likewise, though the courts have been upholding the dissolution of various assemblies, public sentiment is quite the opposite. At present, lawyers and the general public are of the view that all charges against Justice Chaudhry are trumped up.

Implications will remain the same whether the reference is withdrawn or the suspended CJP is exonerated. In fact, exoneration will have more serious consequences for the government. Already, the lawyers are saying that they will not hold talks with the government.

According to Malik Muhammad Qayyum, a former president of the Supreme Court Bar, the filing of the reference is a comedy of errors — repeated errors.

Talking to Dawn Magazine, Malik Qayyum said the reference was prepared in a haphazard manner, and was based on a letter written by a lawyer. The SJC was called in a hurry, although it was not scheduled to be held on March 9, the day Justice Chaudhry was proceeded against. The chief justices of the Lahore and Sindh courts were brought to the federal capital by special planes.

Malik Qayyum had an appointment with the CJP on that day, and the CJP had directed his staff not to let him go unless he returned to the office. The CJP had not informed anyone where he was going and when he would come back.

The government kept him in ‘captivity’ and did not let him leave the camp office of the president unless Justice Jawaid Iqbal was sworn in as the acting CJP.

Perhaps, Malik Qayyum said, the government feared that if allowed to go back before taking various steps, Justice Chaudhry would pass an order that would upset the government’s entire plan.

There was no need for the government to move the reference in such haste. If the government could later on delay its hearing till Justice Bhagwandas’ return from India, why was it not possible for the government to delay its initiation then?

Lawyers’ protest, in this regard, is justified. They are protesting not only against the reference but also against the mistreatment of the CJP and the extra-constitutional measures taken by the government. If the CJP can be humiliated the way he has been, where does the common man stand? How will the common man’s rights be protected then?

“The reference is more of an act of victimisation than anything else,” said Malik Qayyum. The CJP was taking courageous decisions as a result of which judicial activism was being seen everywhere. The government probably got panicked, he says.

Now, Malik Qayyum adds, there are three possibilities: one, the CJP will be exonerated and will start functioning again; two, he will be held guilty of misconduct, in which case he will be removed; and three, the government may take back the reference. The last option is more viable, and the government should give it a serious thought. There is no corruption charge against the CJP, nor is there any complaint against him regarding judicial matters. “The agencies are apparently working against the president and the government. A situation has been created which effectively belies the claims about the stability of the system or the rule of law,” says Malik Qayyum.

Asked whether the president and the CJP will be able to co-exist in case the reference is withdrawn or is rejected by the SJC, Malik Qayyum finds it very difficult to say anything on the issue. “Judges are never vindictive. In case the CJP is exonerated, the prime minister and his government should resign,” is what he thinks.

The reaction to or against the reference was never anticipated by the government. The Supreme Court Bar, split into two factions for quite some time, is supporting the CJP and is united in its efforts. Since all lawyers think the reference is baseless, the government should take it back.

In case the SJC upholds the reference, the chief justice will be removed and the president will announce his replacement. But such a situation will weaken the judiciary. This will send a message to the judiciary that any judge not working according to the wishes of the government may be stopped from working by having a similar reference sent against them. Therefore, the new chief justice will remain under constant pressure and he will have to think about the consequences before giving any judgment against the government.

Malik Qayyum has the final word: “If the government is adamant on trying the former CJP, the SJC should decide the matter expeditiously after day-to-day hearings. Also, the proceedings should be open, as the respondent wants the people to know about the facts.”
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag1.htm

The PM and his team should resign if the charges r unproved..:hmmm: first time I am hearing anyone coming up with this suggestion :hmmm:

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**Genuine or mala fide?
** By Shamim-ur-Rehman

Former Chief Justice of the Sindh High Court, Justice (retd) Wajihuddin Ahmed is critical of the various constitutional and judicial measures that have been taken against the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, and maintains that never in the history of the country the judicial edifice has been challenged in this way.
In an interview with Dawn Magazine, he sounded warnings to be watchful of whether the reference against the CJ had been moved in all seriousness or if it was part of a conspiracy to make a hero out of him and to possibly use him later on.

The following are excerpts from his interview:

Q: How do you look at the present constitutional crisis and what impact will it have on the future polity of the country?

**A: **We have gone through a number of constitutional crises. This, however, beats them all. At no point in time has the entire judicial edifice been challenged in this way. It has been challenged before, but in a camouflaged manner. But this time it is as if the army chief has taken on the chief justice. The people of Pakistan this time have sensed what actually has come to transpire. For that we have to thank the media in general, and the electronic media in particular.

**Q: **Has the reference against the chief justice under Article 209 been made according to the law?

**A: **Unfortunately it is not the reference alone that is what seems to have led to the crisis. For some time there were discrete leaks about the purported improprieties of Justice Chaudhry, particularly with reference to his son’s advancement in life. These things, while they are rampant amongst politicians and bureaucrats, civilian as well as military, are not expected of a judge. That created a kind of alarm amongst the intelligentsia. The powers that be seem to have thought that an effective beginning had been made to bring down the CJ, and leaped headlong into a situation that was brought about by Naeem Bokahri’s letter. Though a few eyebrows were raised, since such kinds of letters are not written, and if written are not made public, those responsible apparently felt that they would face no resistance. They might have been correct had it not been for the photographs showing the CJ sitting meekly before the uniformed chief. That, I think, touched a raw nerve and things erupted. So, for the current situation, they have themselves to blame.

As for the merits of the reference, even if the story about the son is true, has any clarification been sought from the chief justice? Besides, such a thing is not foreign to Pakistan. Ordinary Pakistanis enjoy a lot of sense these days, and would like to know why the government has left others and got hold of one particular person.

** The reference also contains allegations that verbal orders were passed in the court to one effect while the detailed orders in the same cases were inconsistent or were altogether different. Some instances have also been cited. I will ask a very simple question: does a SC judge, who by definition includes the chief justice, sit alone when he passes orders? The minimum number required is two, but normally it is a bench of three judges. So what about the other two judges? If there were any such inconsistencies, what actions have been taken against them?**

** Besides, Gen Pervez Musharraf has said that there are other allegations as well and they include one leveled by a Peshawar High Court judge. The reference doesn’t say much about it, but through media accounts I know that the judge has talked about a family matter pertaining to the distribution of inheritance. The SC, according to him, had passed an improper order, and he was averse to the idea of filing a review petition because it would have come before the same bench. But if he had reservations about a particular judge, rather than going all the way to the president and the prime minister, why did he not file a simple application in the SC, saying that he had reservations with regard to a particular judge? Now here is a superior court judge, having a complaint of some kind and not following the procedures, not filing a review application, and going to non-judicial authorities. Why? This is the kind of things that do not appeal to one’s good sense.

****Q: **When the president is not in his camp office, can anybody sit there for hours and sift through the reference. Is the president constitutionally permitted to show the reference to the person concerned?

A: It is a time-honoured practice that superior judges all over the world do not routinely call on either the head of state or the government. Lately, some of our superior judges have been violating this golden rule. When that kind of a thing happens, you are likely to be overtaken by your own deviations. I know for a fact that Iftikhar Chaudhry had himself deviated from the tradition. What was he trying to do then? If you do these things, sooner or later you are bound to land yourself in difficulty. His predecessor, Irshad Hassan Khan, also used to do the same. This is something that the entire SC, as a body, should sit and talk about.

Now we come to the several hours spent by him at the so-called camp office. The government says that the CJ was briefed on the allegations against him in order to satisfy the rules of natural justice. One of those rules is that no one is to be condemned unheard. But that which transpired is extraordinary. First of all you say that he was not called and the meeting took place at Justice Chaudhry’s own instance. Was that an occasion to meet the requirements of natural justice? That is the first question. Even if you were following the dictates of natural justice, you had a reference available before you talked to the man. So what kind of compliance with natural justice was it? Not only that, while this exercise was going on, you were nominating an acting CJ, who was taking oath. It is some extraordinary way in which principles of natural justice were being followed. And then you have shown reference to the person concerned. You also want him to examine the supporting documents, and you leave the papers in his hand, and go for prayers. The prime minister also goes for prayers. Is the CJ not Muslim? Is he not supposed to pray? Even if he had to read those documents, and you had already made up your mind because the reference was ready, a copy could have been given to him to read. None of that was done, and he was let out at a time when the acting CJ had already taken oath. He was not even permitted to go to his own court. He was guided to his residence by those who were escorting him all the time. Extraordinary. It is these details that catch the eye.**Q: Does that mean showing the reference to Justice Chaudhry was not in the spirit of Article 209?

** A: That’s right.

**Q: **What about sending Justice Chaudhry on forced leave?

**A: **It is illegal because Article 209 does not permit it. On the contrary it says that a superior court judge can be dismissed in no other way than on the basis of an adverse report of the Supreme Judicial Council.

**Q: **You mean sending him on forced leave is also an illegal act.

**A: **Correct. This is the substance of what Article 209 postulates. The matter did not stop there as the SJC met the same day and despite knowing that Gen Musharraf could not have passed the kind of restraining order that he had, it passed an order of the same kind itself. Article 209 does not permit even that.

**Q: Does it mean that the post of the CJ has not fallen vacant?

** A: No it has not.

Q: Then how can we have an acting CJ?

A: An acting CJ actually can be appointed in the ordinary course when the CJ is out of the country, or is on leave or is unable to perform the functions of his office, or any other reason of this very kind. No other kind. Now none of these reasons subsists. In today’s situation you cannot appoint an acting CJ.

Q: But they are interpreting that ‘any other reason’ may include anything. It is a sort of another form of the doctrine of necessity.

A:** It is one of the fundamental rules of interpretation that where general words follow specific words in a statute, the general words are controlled by the specific words. And those general words are always interpreted to situations analogous to those which have proceeded. And not everything and all things under the sun. **(:hehe: some govt. supporters used this clause quite liberally over here..Where r they when u need them?)

Q: Can this validation be hit by the doctrine of implied repeal? What is this doctrine?

A: That has nothing to do with this. But let us assume that this is a case of implied repeal of the constitutional protection provided to superior court judges. A short answer to that suggestion is that a constitutional provision, neither express nor implied, is repealed by a sub-constitutional legislation. If you desire to repeal a constitutional provision or override it, you can do that only by a two-third majority of parliament. By simple majority you cannot overrule a constitutional provision. You cannot take away a constitutional protection.

**Q: **How do you see the appointment of Justice Rana Bhagwandas as the Acting CJ?

**A: **I was probably the first who questioned the appointment of Justice Javed Iqbal to that post and also the timing of that appointment, saying that if Justice Bhagwandas was away, and if an acting CJ had to be appointed, then they should have waited for him to return. At the same time, I had said that a proceeding under Article 209, even where it involves the CJ, does not call for an acting appointment at all. But then Justice Bhagwandas, when he came back, was in a peculiar situation. There was an acting CJ who was a step junior to him. A notification had been issued to appoint him as the acting CJ. If he had not taken oath, the earlier appointment would have probably continued. So he was in a no-win situation. He had to take oath. Now that he is in his office, he must examine constitutional provisions and if he comes to the same conclusions that many lawyers and judges have, then he should relinquish that office. He should continue to sit on the SJC as the senior most judge and let Justice Chaudhry decide on his own as to what extent he would perform the function of his office in that situation.

Q: The SJC has yet to decide on the objections raised by the CJ on its composition. What will happen if some of the judges against whom he has raised objections and those who are hit be the tradition of ‘not before me’ continue to be on the bench?

A: I am a firm believer in absolute transparency of judicial proceedings. If there is even the remotest doubt with regard to the propriety of a judge sitting in a judicial proceeding, that judge himself should not sit there. So I hope and I believe that if there are questions of this kind raised with regard to the SJC, members of the council would adhere to the time-honoured rules on the subject.

**Q: **The government is maintaining that people should not comment on these constitutional violations because the matter is subjudice. Lawyers, however, are continuing with their protests. How do you see the future of the judiciary as an institution? Is it going to see further erosion of its authority or is it going to have a cleansing effect? If Gen Musharraf prevails and the judges don’t respond to the wisdom of the common people, what will happen?

**A: **These are genuine fears. As regards the proceedings of the SJC, rules that were framed during the active days of Justice Chaudhry say that the proceedings would be in camera. Actually Article 209 does not contemplate the framing of any such rules of procedure. It does contemplate framing of rules of conduct which have been there all along. But rules of procedure, it does not permit. Since so much has been said in public about this particular case, it would be appropriate that the proceedings should be made public. Some precautionary steps can be taken to ensure unnecessary scandalisation, but if a blanket order is passed by the SJC prohibiting media reports of the proceedings, it would not be permissible. It is not permissible because it violates the fundamental rights of speech which is incorporated in Article 19 of the Constitution. And the law with regard to fundamental rights says that even if legislation is passed by a competent legislative body, which is parliament, and is not in line with any of the fundamental rights, then such a law would be void to that extent.

Q: If the SJC exonerates Justice Chaudhry and he comes back, what will be the fallout?

**A: **There are two aspects to this matter. If the reference has been made in all seriousness and the SJC exonerates Justice Chaudhry, the finding is likely to firm up the rule of law. The other aspect, which is my apprehension, my worry, is if this reference has been made with the ulterior objective of providing a clean slate to Justice Chaudhry to make him a hero now and use him later, the result can be disastrous, not only for the judiciary, but for the entire country. That is my worry. I hope this is only an apprehension.

**Q: **The government has politicised the whole issue and has talked of some conspiracy as well. Who could be hatching the conspiracy, if any?

**A: **The way things have happened, people need to be careful because there are many question marks.

Q: As a result of this controversy, where does Pakistan stand? Is it threatened or secure?

**A: **Undoubtedly the situation is one of concern. But whatever are the difficulties in a particular situation, if those who are confronted with the difficulties deal with them in a straightforward manner, the result can only be good. If not, naturally, it would be bad.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag2.htm

Re: Pakistan’s top judge is suspended (Merged)

**No reference can be filed against CJP: Justice Khosa
**By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: With the government failing to overcome the fallout of the March 9 judicial adventure, a legal opinion not so popular but reported in the PLD is seen by certain quarters as a possible way out of the prevailing crisis for the government.
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Written by Justice (retd) Asif Saeed Khan Khosa and published on pages 17-24 of the 1996 PLD (Pakistan Legal Decisions) journal, the article concludes that the president has no authority under the Constitution to file a reference against the chief justice of Pakistan.

***Not many top legal minds of the country are ready to buy such an interpretation of the Constitution for the reason that how any public office holder could be given total immunity from any check.

*A lawyer, Barrister Zafarullah Khan, has already filed a petition with the Supreme Court pleading that under Article 209 of the Constitution a reference could not be filed against the chief justice of Pakistan. It is believed that the SC will hear Khan’s petition on Monday.

In his article, Justice (retd) Khosa argued that this might appear as a lacuna in the Constitution but the president’s power to direct the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) to inquire into the capacity or conduct of a judge of the Supreme Court does not extend to giving of such a direction in respect of the chief justice of Pakistan.

It says that the provisions of Article 209 of the Constitution are exhaustive and otherwise, self-explanatory except in one respect, ie a situation where the president may decide to direct the SJC to inquire into the capacity or conduct of the CJP.

According to Khosa, the Article 209 empowers the president to proceed against a judge of the SC or of a high court. By virtue of Article 260 of the Constitution, the article reads, a “judge” in relation to the SC include the CJ of that court. Therefore, it may be argued that a power exercisable in respect of a judge of the SC also includes the CJP. “However, this approach is simplistic, to say the least. It fails to take into account the opening words of clause (1) of Article 260 according to which the expressions defined therein are to have the meanings assigned to them therein ‘unless the context otherwise requires’.”

Referring to Article 209 of the Constitution, the article said that Clause (3) of the article, which deals with replacement of a member, is silent about the CJP whereas it expressly provides for replacement of the members of the Council belonging to the other two categories.

“This further shows that Article 209 conceives the chief justice of Pakistan as a category different from the other members of the Council, even from the two judges of the Supreme Court who are members of the Council with reference to the Supreme Court. This separate treatment of the chief justice of Pakistan highlights the fact that he is a member of the Supreme Judicial Council not as another Judge of the Supreme Court but ex officio as the highest judicial officer of the country.”

Khosa argues that in case an inquiry is to be conducted into the capacity or conduct of the CJP then neither there is any express provision for his replacement nor the third most senior judge of the SC joining as member of the council in his place can be termed as the CJP so as to complete the composition of the Council.

The retired justice added that a perusal of the Constitution as a whole reveals that the CJP is not just a Judge of the SC discharging judicial functions along with other judges but by virtue of that exalted office held by him, he is also to discharge many other functions which may not have any relation to the SC so as to attract the provisions of Article 260(1) of the Constitution. In all those matters, he said, he (CJP) is not performing any judicial functions as a judge but acts as ex-officio or in his capacity as a persona designata. “In all such matters the words ‘chief justice of Pakistan’ are not interchangeable with ‘judge’ or vice versa.”

For example, he said the CJP administers oath to the president, auditor general, chief election commissioner while acting as persona designata and, unless nominated by the CJP himself, no other judge of the SC can perform that function. Khosa also referred to certain other constitutional functions of the CJP that not judicial but required to be done by the CJP. Even “consultation” with the CJP required by Articles 177(1), 181(1), 193(1), 200 (1) and 203-F (3)(b) of the constitution is also to be viewed in the context of the CJP being a persona designata in those respects. A similar distinction between a judge of the SC and the CJP is clearly recognizable from the provisions of Articles 176, 180, 183, 275(2)(a) and the fifth schedule of the Constitution.

In Khosa’s view, the CJP has been designated to be an ex officio member of the SJC and as persona designata. “The Supreme Judicial Council is only a tribunal of inquiry which does not perform judicial functions,” the PLD article said, adding, “The functions of this Council or of its members are certainly not ‘in relations to the Supreme Court’.”

Khosa said even if the alternate interpretation is accepted, still the position of the CJP as a member of the SJC remains unaffected even when it is to inquire into his own capacity or conduct. “This is so because clause (3) of Article 209 does not contemplate his replacement in such a situation and, indeed, his replacement by another judge of the Supreme Court, who cannot possibly be designated as a chief justice of Pakistan for such purposes, cannot complete the composition of the Supreme Judicial Council contemplated by clause (2) of Article 209.”

The retired justice said that the CJP is a necessary component of this council ex-officio in his capacity as a persona designata and because of this he is irreplaceable from the council.

Must say…not a lot of support for govt in the media:hmmm: