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Nawaz Sharif was entitled by constitution to sack Musharraf, he did not do anything unconstitutional. Musharraf suspended constitution and declared emergency which was illegal.
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roadrunner...you cannot say anything until you taste it...so have a chance to avail this opportunity of Cheetah and come pakistan for 6 months ..you will be soon in "paradise" as from 'outside" it seems... so u r coming !!!!!
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^ furthermore when General took office..he promissed CJ siddique not to change the Constitution but after sometimes ..he started to change the laws..CJ resisted it ..so General ultimately removed him with 5 most senior judgesby force of SC for not taking oath under PCO.....is this also legal !!!!!
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Nawaz Sharif was entitled by constitution to sack Musharraf, he did not do anything unconstitutional. Musharraf suspended constitution and declared emergency which was illegal.
Nawaz Shareef was not King of Pakistan (he was not even permanent employee of Pakistan, he was just a thief and crook) that he can sack any government servant at will, without reason or enquiry, just because he do not like him. No one had ever done that, else if people could get sack from government job because Prime minister do not like that person, then with change in prime minister office, army chief, chief justice, police head, rather even clerk of all government post would lose their job and new would take their place.
Even constitution of Pakistan does not allow government servants to get sack, just because Prime minister or their superior does not like them.
Such happens in banana countries or when a King deposes another King and takes over power. This is not democratic way. Even President of USA or Prime Minister of UK could not do that to chief or army staff, well legally to even a clerk in government job. But this illiterate munafiq Person (Nawaz Shareef) that became prime minister (by hook or by crook) started thinking that he became Ameer-ul-Momaneen.
If Nawaz (using the constitutional power) wanted to sack Musharraf then he could have done that with valid reason and after giving Musharraf opportunity to defend. If Musharraf could not have defended himself then Nawaz could have asked ministry of defence to issue a notice of termination from army chief post.
But this munafiq (Nawaz Shareef) actually promoted Musharraf by giving him post of Joint Chief of Staff before trying to sack Musharraf. After promotion, all what happened before promotion, if it was in the knowledge of Nawaz Crook, Nawaz could not have sacked Musharraf, rather he had to have new valid reason that was good enough to demand sacking of army chief.
Just look at the difference between Musharraf and Nawaz the munafiq crook. Musharraf received allegations with respect to chief justice. What he did, he called CJ and asked him to clarify himself. When chief justice could not, Musharraf did not tried to sack him but send his name for enquiry to Supreme Judicial Council and left the decision of CJ employment on the result of enquiry. To make sure that CJ could not interfere with the enquiry, Musharraf suspended CJ. That is called proper, honest and constitution way of taking action against any government post.
Now look at the way of Munafiq Nawaz goes on. What he did, he decided to get rid of army chief. Being Munafiq, he started by taking Musharraf into confidence. To take Musharraf into confidence, he promoted Musharraf just before Musharraf leaving for Sri Lanka, by giving him the post of Joint Chief of Staff too, a post that was vacant since Jahangir Karamat resigned. That was a munafiq way of showing his munafiqat, that even though he wanted to get rid of Musharraf, he promoted Musharraf to take him into confidence and give him wrong impression of security in job.
While Musharraf was in Sri Lanka, this Munafiq was planning a suitable action and looking for suitable time to act. When Musharraf was on his way back, on plane in air, this Munafiq Nawaz, took an illegal step of trying to get rid of Musharraf.
[In Islam a person cannot call another person Munafiq (who claims to be Muslim) until there is valid and obvious reason, where that munafiq showed his munafiqat without doubt. Nawaz by promoting Musharraf just before going to Sri-Lanka and trying to sack Musharraf on his way back from Sri Lanka shows the munafiqat of Nawaz in obvious way. If he was so unhappy about Musharraf in office and wanted to sack Musharraf, he should not have done the munafiqat of promoting Musharraf into the post of Joint Chief of Staff just before Musharraf leaving for Sri Lanka and just before his action of trying to sack Musharraf.]
Nevertheless, Crook Nawaz must have realised how flimsy ground he was standing when Army kicked his backside and put him into prison. Now he should be grateful to Mushararaf that Musharraf did not hanged him and for the benefit of Pakistan, let him go to Saudi Arabia (believe me, if I was in place of Musharraf, Nawaz would have got hanged). Saudia was giving Pakistan around 500 million dollars worth of oil on deferred payment, something Pakistan needed at that time, because Pakistan had little foreign exchange to pay for all imports.
Hence, corrupt rulers of Saudi Arabia and America under Clinton (Aqqa of Nawaz and Saudi Kings) came to rescue their corrupt munafiq friend. America started pressurising Pakistan and Saudi started black mailing by threatened to stop oil on differed payment. If Musharraf would have gone adamant that he would punish Nawaz, it would have hurt Pakistan. Hence Musharraf, for the sake of Pakistan let him go.
All this shows the difference between decent human face of Musharraf and crooked munafiq face of Nawaz.
Now look at faces of those that defend Nawaz illegal action of sacking Musharraf without enquiry or any valid reason and same people shouting against President when that President instead of sacking chief justice, send his name for enquiry. Seems that these people, when they think of enquiry and sacking, they see their faces in mirror and get horrified. They are more scared of enquires and prefer sacking, probably because mirror is always in front of them and thus they believe that enquiry can bring out dark faces in front of all. Something that scares sh*t out of them, hence we see all this protests against enquiries by these corrupt lawyers, politicians, and their chailay chamchay on media and road of Pakistan. Those who are not crooks, they prefer suspension and enquiry rather sacking without hearing (or been left in office with tainted character, due to accusations and allegations).
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I am amazed at ur capability to post such lengthy rants. Keep it up.
Once again, till now the government has not provided full reference to CJ "qoute Aitzaz Ahsan, CJ's lawyer"
I am resonding to rant that all that was done was constitutional, so far ur news PM can sack a military cheif, he is entitled to it under constitution.
A self imposed President CANNOT make a CJ non-functional, according to constitution.
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Also a self imposed President CANNOT put CJ under house arrest, cut off his telephone, prevent his children from going out of house.
Re: Pakistan's top judge is suspended (Merged)
I am amazed at ur capability to post such lengthy rants. Keep it up.
Once again, till now the government has not provided full reference to CJ "qoute Aitzaz Ahsan, CJ's lawyer"
I am resonding to rant that all that was done was constitutional, so far ur news PM can sack a military cheif, he is entitled to it under constitution.
A self imposed President CANNOT make a CJ non-functional, according to constitution.
Don’t rant crap. Show anywhere mentioned in constitution that prime minister can sack army chief without any reason and without any reference.
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Who said, he did not have reasons? He can do it for whatever reasons he deems are important.
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Who said, he did not have reasons? He can do it for whatever reasons he deems are important.
Yea, like reason being that he (Nawaz) becoming lunatic :) .. Well, if that is so, then army also legally have the right to make him naked and give him a good danda. :)
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someone has a link to acting CJ's chat with the media? i want to read the full transcript.
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Who said, he did not have reasons? He can do it for whatever reasons he deems are important.
You know what? You show me in constitution that a prime minister can sack army chief whenever he likes without giving any reason, just because Prime minister wants to and does not like the face of army chief. If you can show me that in constitution, I promise you that I will show you in constitution that if army chief wants to, they can make prime minister naked and then give him a big danda. :D
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I promise you that I will show you in constitution that if army chief wants to, they can make prime minister naked and then give him a bigdanda. :D
As Uncle Sam does it to the army chief every now and then. Does the constitution allow Uncle Sam to do so ?
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great post, with people like you, Pakistan will go far! 
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As Uncle Sam does it to the army chief every now and then. Does the constitution allow Uncle Sam to do so ?
Well, Uncle Sam tried to save their chaila ‘Nawaz Crook’ and was giving warning to Army throughout after Kargil, that not to do any thing unconstitutional, but unfortunately could not stop that. Only thing they did was keep showing their frustration and anger on taking over of Pakistan by army. A farcical show of this frustration was when Clinton as President visited Pakistan. This shows that some time danda of Uncle Sam does not work (because it is unconstitutional). :)
Anything unconstitutional does not work all the time, like sacking of army chief by prime minister without reason. :) What is constitutional succeeds all the time, like army chief when decides, they give danda to prime minister. (That part of constitution is part of Pakistani unwritten constitution :))
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Saleem, you're a very naive person if you really believe what you said.
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Yea brother, you are the most cleaver and knowledgeable person around 
. I am naïve, what can I do? how sad, isn’t it? 
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Wrong. The President is Constitutionally OBLIGED to suspend the Chief Justice if he is of the opinion that the Chief Justice is guilty of something.
From a previous post (try reading it, then try understanding the English - if you cannot understand English, I can get someone to explain it to you in Urdi or Hindi if you need).
Article 180 is very CLEAR that Musharraf can suspend the Chief Justice and appoint a new one to act in his place while the SJ Council inquire into the allegations. It is clearly mentioned implicitly that Musharraf has the power to suspend the Chief Justice, here it is once more.
*180. Acting Chief Justice. At any time when- (a) the office of Chief Justice of Pakistan is vacant; or (b) the Chief Justice of Pakistan is absent or is **unable to perform the functions of his office due to any other cause, the President shall appoint **[163]](http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part7.ch2.notes.html#163) [the most senior of the other Judges of the Supreme Court] to act as Chief Justice of Pakistan. *
http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/co…part7.ch2.html
The important point here is the phrase “The President shall appoint”. This means that the president has the constitutional obligation to invoke this Article, and appoint a new acting Chief Justice if the Chief Justice is unable to perform the functions of his office. This much is clearly stated, and this is a clear statement that the President has the power to suspend the Chief Justice. Only the President can invoke this Article, and appoint a new Chief Justice, it so follows that the old Chief Justice will remain suspended. Taken together with Article 209, it is clear the President cannot sack the Chief Justice, and has to abide by the Council decision, which makes the judiciary independent of the government, though the president does clearly have the power to appoint a new Chief Justice while waiting for the results of the inquiry.
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I smell a contradiction right there 
180(a) says the Pres. shall appoint an Acting CJ “WHEN” the office of the CJ falls vacant. Question is, has it fallen vacant?
Answer that and we proceed. 
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hello genius. 180(a) also says the Pres. shall appoint an Acting CJ “WHEN” the Chief Justice of Pakistan is absent or is unable to perform the functions of his office due to any other cause
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The anyother cause include that physically or mentally he become so ill that he is unable to hold his office...what happened with CJ...kya wo loola ..langra ya kana ho giya tha...ya us per nafsiati doray parnay lag paray thay.....yaar what childish clarifications you are bringing about...even Wasi Zafar now realized this thing and when the correspondent of ARY One was saying non-fuctional CJ..Wasi Zafar said...plz..do not call im non-fuctional..he is still the CJ of pakistan......even Justice (r) Abdul Qayyum ..mushy supporter and former president of Pakistan SC bar council in live program of Hamid Mir (Capital Talk) said in front of millions of people that i searched the whole Constitution but not find that ever President can Non-fuction anu CJ...Dismissal is a very far thing....!!!!!!!!!!