Pakistan's top judge is suspended (Merged)

[Zakk]

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On a side note, apparently another case Chief justice Iftikhar was planning on hearing was of the validity of dual nationals or greencard holders in holding public office.

**More than 20 lawyers were hurt after policemen wielding batons tried to break up the protest in Lahore. **

[Farid]

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Spock,

" am not saying its right or wrong, I just find the responses by people like Pir Farid and Kehkashan very hypocritical my friend."

I was trying to see your name but found none till my post. I am still stuck to my statement as long as it is true. But later revelation indicated that CJ has been victimized for opposing dictator's actions. In that case what I said about dictator is correct. PPP regime was far superior than this ...era. His rule is the darkest of all rules would lead to further disintegration of the country . According to one of your post, you were either not born or ...during ZAB’s regime....

FARID

[Mr_Fraudia]

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Spock, so STF up.

tsk tsk

[Spock]

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Spock,

" am not saying its right or wrong, I just find the responses by people like Pir Farid and Kehkashan very hypocritical my friend."

I was trying to see your name but found none till my post.

Maybe your love for Benazir made you blind, go and read again, u'll find my name more than once before your dumb post.

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I am still stuck to my statement as long as it is true. But later revelation indicated that CJ has been victimized for opposing dictator's actions. In that case what I said about dictator is correct. PPP regime was far superior than this a$$ hole’s era.

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Yeah right, atleast this guy removes people he doesnt like from office, what do Bhatto and Badnazar do, 'off em' if u dont like 'em, using their jiyalaz (which includes ppl like urself).

[Prince_Abbas]

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Mr. Saleem is trying his best to save his face here. :)

About disappearances of people, he says:
Saleem:

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that is nothing to do with Person of Musharraf or his own grievances with victim but it is to do with war against terrorism
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Well, "war on terror" does not mean summary disappearances of people WITHOUT any charge, and WITHOUT there whereabouts known to anyone. These disappearances are not just for interrogation but they have also resulted in killings by security agencies.
No matter how justifiable the cause may be, is this the kind of country you want to live in?
Hell, no. As much as I support Musharraf's war on terror, I can not approve his illegal (read "criminal") activities.

And these disappearances are caused by Musharraf HIMSELF, and he should be the one answerable to them. But he knows this is illegal, this is why he took out the CJ.

[roadrunner]

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^^ I would rather have terrorist nuts who want to explode themselves in Pakistan disappear than have them on the streets. Taking in people who are deemed a security risk happens in all countries over the world, why should it not happen in Pakistan?

[JaanBaazz]

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In every other country, citizens who are arrested have to be produced before court after some time be it 72 hours in the US or a few days in the UK. Nowhere it is okay to keep people under wraps for months and years. It is called habeas corpus rights - latin translation literally to "produce the body" before court or explain why.

If these people are terrorists, then let the govt say so in court. The reals reason is probably because many of these guys are innocents. I read reports by international and Pakistan groups that said that ISI picked up people just to keep the US happy and got paid hundreds of millions of dollars for it.

This is the most shameful thing ever. Pakistani govt agencies selling our own citizens to the US for money.

[JaanBaazz]

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Ehsan Bhai

You are write about the dangers for those daring to question Musharraf's authority. Anyone remember the case of Makhdoom Javed Hashmi who was tried in secret and put in jail without due process?

[roadrunner]

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So the only name you can give me is Makhdoom Hashmi. Wasnt he found guilty of his crimes by a court judge and sentenced?

“*From the reproduction of incriminating material available on record, discussion and findings, I am of the irresistible conclusion that the prosecution has been able to establish its case against the accused beyond any reasonable shadow of doubt,” said Judge Asad Raza of the District and Sessions Court, Islamabad, while announcing the verdict. *
http://www.dawn.com/2004/04/13/top2.htm

Are you accusing Judge Asad Raza of corruption now? Isnt a trial before a judge known as due process? Very weak case you have with only 1 name, and that one was sentenced by an official.

[JaanBaazz]

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How can you tell the difference - Mr. "I'm so clueless I think Governors are elected in Pakistan". Please do your thing with Wiley A and leave this to adults. Off to my ignore list you go. :)

[roadrunner]

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^^if you could write in understandable English, I would be able to answer the question you pose. At it stands "How can you tell the difference" could just be referring to how can I tell the difference between a person who is lacking a whole brain and you, the answer is I cannot. Better still, stay on topic and answer the question. How many people have disappeared in Pakistan on charges not related to terrorism such as plotting to blow themselves up and in the process kill a lot of innocent Pakistanis? Why would anyone want these people roaming the streets?

[Prince_Abbas]

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^^ I would rather have terrorist nuts who want to explode themselves in Pakistan disappear than have them on the streets.

. How do you know that all those who were "disappeared" were terrorists?
. Do you want to live in a country where rule of law is followed or not? (Are you even a Pakistani?)
. Who can guarantee that only terrorists will be detained and not political activists?

You are playing with fire.

[Prince_Abbas]

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Ehsan Bhai Anyone remember the case of Makhdoom Javed Hashmi who was tried in secret and put in jail without due process?

Also,
Anyone remember the case of Journalist Hayatullah, who was murdered by these holier-than-thou intelligence agencies for publishing a story which proved that American missiles attacked Pakistan?

These intelligence agencies of army act as state within the state, and need to be taught a lesson.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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although hayatullah was kinda dumb to even do that. If the govt was trying to keep lids on it because teh truth would get all kinds of ppl jumping up and down, then why do an expose. ppl get knocled off in every country for dickin around with national security, our intelligence is not unique in that respect.

[Khehkeshan]

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@Fraudz

although hayatullah was kinda dumb to even do that. If the govt was trying to keep lids on it because teh truth would get all kinds of ppl jumping up and down, then why do an expose. ppl get knocled off in every country for dickin around with national security, our intelligence is not unique in that respect.

We did not create Pakistan to be every country. It was created to be better, but right now, it is worse then most countries of the world. Revealing truth should not get people killed. I think we all would be happy if you could get a justice system even quarter as good as US right now, despite their patriot act nonsense.

Spock, tell me again how I am a hypocrite?

roadrunner: “How many people have disappeared in Pakistan on charges not related to terrorism such as plotting to blow themselves up and in the process kill a lot of innocent Pakistanis?”

How many of those who have disappeared have been charged with ANYTHING? Charges are meaningless when so many of them are never bought in a court of law and those that are, usually get dismissed, but that still does not get freedom for victims. ISI is above the law and can pick up anyone it wants, whenever it wants to. Except Taliban of course, god forbid they touch Taliban unless Cheney tells them to.

If the following events do not shame you, then you are a person without shame or morality. How many of these people were terrorists or just opponents of the plunder of Balochistan? When the government itself lies about everything, why should anyone trust it if it claims someone is a terrorist and provides no proof for it? Why are you army lotas so opposed to the rule of law? It sad to see how much you hate Pakistan and Pakistanis that you continue to support the brutality of the government against the people.

newsline.com.pk

Missing in Custody

After years of accusations of illegal arrests, the government continues to deny any involvement in the cases of hundreds of missing people in Balochistan.

By Abdul Wahab

The Other Side of the Gallows

The government’s questionable policies in Balochistan to control insurgency have caused deep anger and unrest in the province. Thousands of people have allegedly been picked up by intelligence agencies and held in custody for months, if not years, without being produced in a court of law.

      The mother of Gohram Saleh Baloch has threatened to renounce her Pakistani citizenship. Her son has been missing for over two years now, and has still not been produced in a court of law.

      Gohram Saleh was with his brother, Ibrahim Saleh, when they were allegedly picked up by intelligence agencies. It was August 2004, and Gohram was enroute to Gwadar seeking a job. According to reports, the brothers were grabbed in Balochistan’s Kech district. Different versions of the story have been circulated in the media, but one version maintains that while Ibrahim was released in Karachi, Gohram remained in custody.

        In a petition filed for the recovery of Gohram Saleh in the Balochistan High Court, it was alleged that Gohram was picked up by intelligence personnel from Talar, an area between Kech and Gwadar districts. During the petition hearing, intelligence and law enforcing agencies, testified under oath before the court that Gohram was not in their custody. But during the hearing of other petitions, the court discovered that the Balochistan home department had ordered the release of Gohram Saleh after he had been declared innocent by the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), comprising three intelligence agencies.

        It was the testimony of one of the government’s own jailers that proved the official story false. On oath, before a bench headed by Justice Raja Fayyaz Ahmed, the then Chief Justice of the Balochistan High Court, the assistant superintendent of the Anti-Terrorist Force (ATF), sub-jail in Quetta cantonment, said that he released Gohram Saleh after receiving orders from the home department.

        But Gohram’s freedom didn’t last long. As soon as Gohram Saleh stepped out from the ATF sub-jail – the Baloch Bar Association has branded the prison the Guantanamo Bay and Abu Gharaib of Balochistan – he was taken into custody by two personnel of an all-powerful intelligence agency. Though the court ordered the concerned quarters to produce Gohram Saleh Baloch, the agency had flatly denied custody of Gohram Saleh, despite the disclosure made by the assistant superintendent of the ATF prison.

        Unfortunately, Gohram Saleh’s situation is not unique. A large number of people, mostly political activists and Marri and Bugti tribesmen, have gone missing in Balochistan. The disappearances started in 2000, in the aftermath of the acts of sabotage that erupted in the province. The root cause of the unrest can be linked to the assassination of Muhammad Nawaz Marri, a judge of the Balochistan High Court in early 2000. Much speculation about government involvement clouded the high-profile murder. Not only was Nawaz Marri being escorted by police, but he was killed in an area of the city where security is tight. The government, however, blamed Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri, a Baloch nationalist leader, for the judge’s death. But Baloch nationalist forces described the killing as a government conspiracy to pit Marri tribesmen against each other in order to pave the way for government access to Kohlu’s huge reservoirs of oil and gas. Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri has always maintained that until and unless Baloch ownership of the province’s natural resources is accepted, he would not allow anyone to come in and exploit resources in Kohlu and other parts of Balochistan.

        Soon after the killing, Nawab Khair Baksh was arrested on charges of murdering the judge and eventually released on bail. A few months after his arrest, bomb blasts targeting government installations and security forces started across the province. In retaliation, the government indulged in a spate of unconstitutional and illegal arrests, as well as full-scale military operations in the province, including the still ongoing conflicts in Kohlu and Dera Bugti.

        Nationalist forces claim that the number of illegal arrests are in the thousands. Some of the missing disappeared more than four years ago. BNP (Mengal) has prepared a list of many of the missing persons, and handed it over to national and international human rights organisations. Under the law, anyone arrested and accused of a crime must be produced before a judicial magistrate within 24 hours of arrest. Amazingly, none of those missing have been produced before any court and moreover, no challans have been submitted against any of them in any court within the stipulated 14 days. As a result, scores of applications regarding the arrested and missing are pending in the Balochistan High Court. But little progress has been made. The legal requests have been given no importance and intelligence agencies continue to deny custody of the missing, despite strong evidence to the contrary.

        Part of the mounting testimony against the government comes from those who have come forward and alleged that they were captured and subsequently released. They recount tales of interrogation and torture while in the hands of intelligence agencies. But again, during court hearings, the concerned agencies denied their custody.

       Stories of illegal arrests are endless. Dr. Hanif Sharif is an intellectual who was picked up by intelligence officers from Turbat. After a petition for his release to the Balochistan High Court proved useless – with the usual official denials by the counsels representing the Balochistan and Federal governments – Dr. Sharif’s father and mother staged hunger strikes in front of the Karachi Press Club. Eventually, Dr. Sharif was released.

        Samiullah Baloch, the younger brother of Senator Sana Baloch, the central Secretary Information of BNP (Mengal), was allegedly picked up from a military police check post in Quetta cantonment. He was travelling home with his elder brother Abdullah Baloch, when their vehicle was chased by armed, plain-clothes intelligence personnel. When they reached the police check post, they believed they would receive refuge there. Abdullah was left alone. But Samiullah was taken into custody. Abdullah speculates that being a US green card holder might have saved him. Nonetheless, he is horrified that despite his claims that his brother was picked up by intelligence personnel right before his eyes, all concerned agencies have refused, in court, of having custody of his brother. Samiullah Baloch was picked up in June 2006 and his whereabouts are still unknown.

        Within nationalist political circles, it is alleged that the main objective behind the hundreds, if not thousands, of illegal arrests of political activists and relatives of political leaders, is to pressurise them into changing loyalties.

        Another case resulted in the longest-ever hunger strike in world history. The case of Ali Asghar Bangulzai. MMA leader, Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, disclosed during a chat with journalists that when he approached a senior officer of an intelligence agency about Ali Asghar Bangulzai, the officer admitted that Ali Asghar was in their custody. But later they denied custody or any knowledge of his whereabouts. His whereabouts are still unknown and his children staged a hunger strike that continued for nine months. The hunger strike attracted international press coverage and embarrassed the government, leading the governor of Balochistan to personally intervene and approach the District Nazim of Mastung to end the children’s hunger strike.

        Other hunger strikes have forced a positive response from the government. Dr. Allah Nazar Baloch, Dr. Imdad Baloch, the former chairman of the Baloch Students Organisation (BSO) and five other of their colleagues were amongst the fortunate who were released. They alleged that while in custody, they were subjected to the worst kind of torture. “After they failed to get the expected answer, I was ordered to lie down on the floor. Then they continuously hit me with a leather paddle for four or five minutes. It was so painful that I could not move,” said Doctor Nasim Baloch, who was arrested with Doctor Imdad and Doctor Allah Nazar Baloch from Karachi’s Gulshan Iqbal. “They kept me in solitary confinement for a long time. I had to urinate in a bottle and empty it once in a day, when I went for defecation. Defecation was a torture itself, as a man would stand nearby and shout: ‘Hurry up, you only have 40 seconds.’ Then he would shout. ‘Hurry up, your time is almost finished...’ Often, one had to come out without washing up,”Doctor Naseem said, adding, “I was abused, humiliated, and was helpless. I could not even express my anger. I would only occasionally see the face of the soldiers who served us our meals, or who took us to the toilet.” He alleged that the persons who were interrogating him threatened, “If I failed to cooperate and refused to accept responsibility for the bomb blasts, I would be killed in a false police encounter.”

        Jumand Khan Marri, who was illegally arrested in mid-2006 from a local hospital, told a press conference after his release, “They gave me electric shocks and did not allow me to sleep for a week.” He alleged that “Many Baloch were there and during the night there were terrible cries of pain coming from different torture cells.”

        Jan Muhammad Buledi, a member of Balochistan Assembly, told a recent session of the Assembly, that Abdul Sattar Baloch, a school teacher, was arrested a few months ago from Turbat. He was severely tortured. “When Sattar Baloch was released a few weeks back, he was paralysed and was unable to walk,” claims Buledi.

        Despite protests, illegal arrests have continued in Balochistan. Relatives of missing persons are neither getting relief from the government, nor from the courts that are meant to protect them. As a result, a deep and dangerous anger is growing among the Baloch. “The situation in Balochistan is serious. Intelligence agencies have no option but to pick up suspected people in order to get information and to check terrorism in the province,” said a police officer on condition of anonymity.

        Condemning the alleged massive arrests, the leader of the opposition in the Balochistan Assembly, Kachkol Ali Advocate, said that the government and its agencies have no respect for the rights of the people of Balochistan. “The government is talking about the establishment of the writ of law in Balochistan. But when the government and its agencies do not have any respect for the law, then how they can expect people to follow the writ of law,” he said, adding that unless the hundreds of missing people are given justice, the situation would deteriorate dangerously in Balochistan.

[Khehkeshan]

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And why this discussion on Bhutto and Hitler when the topic should be the illegal act of the current dictator and how Pakistanis should counter it. I implore overseas Pakistanis to register their protest against the dictator's actions. The time for being silent with the "chalta hai" attitude is long over. How long can the country be abused like this before the burden becomes to hard to bear?

[Iconoclast]

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@Sa1eem

What an allegations people makes that is beyond imagination and have no grounds too. Most of their writing is BS without substance or intelligence.

Ishrat-ul-Ibad is a corrupt and murderer.

and who is putting that allegation? PPP Jiyalas ..

that is most funnies part of all alegations

You know why I am rolling with laughter?

It is because of all cases and allegations that is made on Ishrat-ul-Ibad, it was by the government that by all evidence were themselves crooks, murderer and corrupts, while by all evidence, Ishrat-ul-Ibad is not only innocent and honest but Angel in front of them crooks.

**As for PPP, their Abba Jaan (their zil-le-subhani), that is Z A Bhutto, who was not only one that had charges of corruption and murder, but he was actually a murderer and legally can be called MURDERER. It is because we are not talking about charges of murder on BHUTTO but that he was convicted murderer and was hanged on crime of murder that he did. **

I am not talking about charges but actual conviction by all level of courts and then receiving punishment. ‘BHUTTO THE MURDERER’ was not only CONVICTED MURDERER but was given PUNISHMENT by HIGHEST COURT and was HANGED AS MURDERER. Not to call Bhutto MURDERER would be contempt of court.

Charge happens when a case goes in court and that is what these corrupt parties had put on Ishrat-ul-Ibad.

**Ishrat-ul-Ibad and many other politicians are MULZIM (person that were charged but never convicted from any court, hence cannot be called Mujrim - a convict) of murder but Z A BHUTTO was MUJRIM (had final conviction from court), a murderer (Whose case went to court, charges proven and he was convicted, then hanged on that charge). **

[No one ever says that Bhutto was not convicted murderer. Only thing people say that since verdict on him regarding 3rd degree murder was split, he should not have been hanged but should have been given life imprisonment. Nevertheless, we mortals have no right to challenge the verdict of highest court in Pakistan]

YOU CANNOT CALL A PERSON MURDERER JUST BECAUSE A CASE HAD BEEN REGISTERED IN COURT OF MURDER BUT YOU CAN CALL A PERSON MURDERER WHEN COURT HAD ACCEPTED THAT CHARGE AND GIVEN VERDICT.

Now there is no court in the world that have convicted Ishrat-ul-Ibad of murder or any crime, that a person can call him murderer or criminal. He is murderer as much as Zardari, Bainazeer, Nawaz and well, most of our politicians are, murderers, as all have charges against them by people (charges on some went to court and some did not, and that does not matter, charges are still there).

As for financial corruption, living on government help in UK is evidence that Ishrat-ul-Ibad did not do any financial corruption.

If he did, he did not needed little money from British government to survive. Well, if he was living on help, he must be living in UK modestly, as if he was living on government money, British govenment eyes would have been always on him. British government make sure that the way Ishrat-ul-Ibad must be living, he was not lying to the government that he has no money to even survive.

Pakistani corrupt Bas*ds in UK are driving brand new cars worth 100 thousand pounds and own millions of pound property, spend and live like kings. But Ishrat-ul-Ibad must be living a poor life in UK if he was getting government help (as he was).

For most of Pakistani corrupts Bas*ds, especially those that were minister during corrupt governments of past, few thousand pounds is something they can give in charity every day. They will not take one thousand pound a month to live from British government that have given them asylum, neither British government, that gives financial help after all enquiry of a person financial standing, would give help to the crooks that have corrupt money.

Ishrat-ul-Ibad got political asylum in UK and must have had no money neither British government allows people on political asylum to work while their cases is with government, and if that person cannot afford to live, government gives financial help, so Ishrat-ul-Ibad was not doing any crime rather it shows that while in power, he was financially honest.

Later when he became Governor, he went to Pakistan but his family was still in UK, and obviously Governor pay in Pakistan is not enough to support a family in UK, thus they taking financial help while in UK was also not wrong. Well, if it was wrong then Ishrat-ul-Ibad would not have been able to come to UK that he does quite often, as if that would have been the case, if he would have entered UK, British government would arrest him.

Note: Before taking political asylum in UK, Ishrat-ul-Ibad held many ministerial posts in Pakistan, including post as health minister. It is no joke that UK government if thinking that he has money would have given him money to survive.

Pakistani corrupt ministers belonging to PPP and other parties gather enough corruption money while in power that they would not need helps of petty money from governments that give them asylum to live nor British government is so stupid that they would give help to such people with money, as they financially help only needy after enquiry.

Well, PPP and Nawaz party office holders (rather most Pakistani corrupt ministers and even corrupt politicians in parliament, other then honest ones) have their own dwellings in UK and other western countries, come to UK and spend like kings, have bank accounts in UK and other western countries with huge money in them, and British government knows that (as they make all enquiries about a person before giving them financial help, that any British national would be able to tell).

Look at NS and BB, the leader of corrupts and murderers that are living in UK. If they would go to British government for help for their living, government would not only laugh on that but would deport them because of their dishonesty (as having money and asking for help from government to live is such dishonesty that if asylum seeker would do, they could easily get into trouble).

These mega corrupts are so poor that they do not have enough money to pay any taxes in Pakistan but have huge property investments and bulging bank accounts in UK. Even their chaily chamchay that live around these corrupt Bass (cleaning their asses) gets more hard earned Pakistani money from these corrupt Bass then what Ishrat-ul-Ibad ever got from British government just to survive in UK (where a two bedroom flat cost over thousand pounds in rent).

Just imagine that these corrupt Bas*s of PPP, MPL and others spend many thousand pounds of stolen Pakistani money in UK while this honest person had no money that he needed help of thousand pound to survive in UK and then the choohays of these parties are calling him corrupt and murderer.

So, all this shows that Ishrat-ul-Ibad was neither financially corrupt nor murderer. The only one Pakistani politician that was murderer and should be called murderer was Abba Jaan of PPP, that was Z A Bhutto. Anyone that does not or would not call ZA Bhutto a murderer is actually can be charged of contempt of court (and legally, court can actually punish such person on charges of contempt of court).

[Note: I live in UK and have British nationality (along with Pakistani nationality) to know how British system works, so I am not Bll Shting. Any person from UK would be able to confirm what I wrote].

To say that Musharraf has appointed a murderer as governor of sindh is an allegation that if said in public, I believe that Ishrat-ul-Ibad and Musharraf, if they want to, could sue these people and court would be bound to punish them, as Ishrat-ul-Ibad is not convicted of murder in any court any where in the world.

Obviously, after death the ultimate judge (Allah) would also ask the reason for allegations that has to be provided with certainty and if not provided, would punish the culprits, unless they provide valid reason, like one can provide regarding Murderer Naseer-ullah Baber who accepted in interviews that he did get people killed out of court and thus he can be called murderer on his own conviction.

I don’t care if ZAB was hanged, he probably deserved it for his role in splitting the country, was there enough evidence to hang him? most law experts say, there wasn’t.

But Funny thing is that children of Kala Bhajang, Rajni Kant, Altaf Hussain are comparing him with Bhutto. Bhutto is no match for Rajni Kant. he has blood of thousands of innocents on his hands. More that of Muahjirs than any other community.

That is the ferocity of his anti-human actions that he did not even spare noble people like Hakim Saeed.

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**1998
The Nation “in its Editorial note of 10th Jan 1998 while discussing the “No Go Areas” of MQM has said, “No Go Areas was a peculiar self-defence concept to begin with but in the polarised city of Karachi this was perhaps the only way for the two rival of MQM factions from continuing to kill each other.”
On Jan 10th three persons including one woman were killed while five others injured in indiscriminate firing in MQM factions clash. (The Muslim, The Nation11-1-98)
On 16th Jan. 1998 Birg. A.R. Siddiqi published a news analysis about the clashes between rival MQM groups, in which he said, serial shoot-outs and armed encounters between the workers of the mainstream (Muthaidda) and breakaway (Mohajir) MQM have made a virtual hostage of public peace in the city’s predominantly Mohajir district East - and elsewhere in the Mohajir areas. Hardly a day passes without the bad news of bloody clash amanating from there.
On 10th Jan, a wayside shoot-out at the AP - Karam Square in central District claimed three killed and several wounded - all unwary commuters. The next day - Sunday 11 Jan, saw a macabre reply claiming another three killed and an equal number wounded at the Korangi Sunday Bazar.”
He further said "The tit-for-tat clashes are assuming almost the dimension of tribal blood feud and vendettas.(The Nation 16 -1-98).
On 17thJan Mohajir Qaumi Movement claimed that Muthaidda’s so called missing activists were staying in various countries under fake names and that name of these activists will be released to the press.
It also said “disappearance of the Muthaidda’s 28 activists is nothing but a mere drama.”(Frontier Post Peshawar 18-1-98).
On 1st Feb, 2 MQM (H) men were shot dead in Karachi and Muthaidda denied the charges of involvement as usual.(The News, Rawalpindi 2-2-98).
On 7th Feb Both factions of MQM exchanged fire for almost an hour in which one person was killed.(Nawa-I-Waqt,Rawalpindi 8-1-98).
On 8th, August Dr Saghir Anasari MQM’s MPA narrowly escaped when fire opened by Haqiqi terrorists but one of MQM worker Mohammed Salim sustained bullet injuries.(The Muslim, Islamabad 9-8-98)
On 13th August two MQM (Haqiqi) men were gunned down in Shah Fiasal Colony of district-East in Karachi. Syed Hodi Abbas Rizvi alias Ansar Rizvi and his neighbor Syed Athar Ali Zaidi(The Nation, Islamabad 14-8-98).
On 14 August The Peshawar Police arrested an Afghan refugee from Karachi - bound Khushal Express train at Cantonment Railway station and recovered cache of sophisticated arms from his possession that he was taking to deliver to one of the MQM factions in Karachi Police recovered two heavy boxes from the possession of the accused and during search found them full of sophisticated weapons and ammunition including 10 kalashnikovs, five 30 - bore pistols, nine hand grenades, nine buses along with 10 detonators, spare magazines and 2,500 rounds of 7.62 caliber and 30 bore.(The News Rawalpindi, 15-8- 98).
On 15th August on Muhttida’s call for strike 35 shapes, 50 vehicles put on fire, and seven persons including a policeman killed and nine injured.(The Nation, Islamabad 16-8-98).
MQM quits Sindh coalition (The News, Rawalpindi 27-8-98).
On August 27th MQM infighting claims more lives. Over 60 activists arrested. (The Muslim, Islamabad 28-8-98
On 17th Oct renowned scholar and social worker ex-governor Sindh Hakim Mohd Saeed assassinated by MQM’s terrorists and on 31st Oct governor’s rule was imposed in Sindh. Since then many MQM’s terrorists are arrested and crime rate has declined sharply.

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Yearwise details of MQM atrocities.
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/yearwise_detail_mqm.htm**

[Iconoclast]

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Two statements from PML (Q) leaders have been very interesting on this issue.

Minister for Law, Wasi Zafar said, CJ was not called in army house and was not asked for resignation, had he been asked for resignation by army chief, he would have to resign, like the previous prime ministers, who HAD to resign, when asked by army to do so.

Chaudhary Shujaat Hussain said, "this is an internal matter between army and judiciary". Referring to previously good relations between the two institutions. Judiciary had always sided with military previously and had provided judicial cover for all military take overs. Now judiciary is at the receiving end.

Is ko angraizi maiN kehtey haiN

As you sow, so shall you reap

Aur Punjabi maiN kehtey haiN

Hor chupoo

[Degas]

Re: Pakistan's top judge is suspended (Merged)

The only problem i see in this case is that its a simple case of a stupid faugi bheja who cant see beyond his vision of whole Pakistan army capturing Pakistan by force and see his actions as his birth right.. if some one had a problem with CJ - a case could hasd simply sent to judicial council as in past.

But, stupidity par excellence - as was in the case of Bugti when he declared his lakshar (army) was greater that Sardars of Balauchistan! he commanded CJ of Pakistan at his home and demanded his resignation and when it didnt appeared - had no clue what to do.. The following actions were bemusing - taking CJ name and bio out of Supreme Courts website (only to put is back next day after public protest), taking Pakistans flag down from his house, house arresting him with no world contact, family too restrained at home, other family members houses raided.

No one is stupid not to know how much govt fumed when billions of rupees commission disappeared with CJ action against sale of Steel Mill, or 2005 stock crises case, and other cases.. the way they handles the case is pathetic - as expected from a dumb faji and naib-zaida govt..

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Re: Pakistan’s top judge is suspended (Merged)

and now this
http://dawn.com/2007/03/13/top3.htm
ISLAMABAD, March 12: Two private TV channels remained off air for some time on Monday after getting a warning from the government’s media regularity authority for showing pictures of police baton-charge on protesting lawyers in Lahore against the suspension of Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.

It was the Aaj TV which first showed the footage of police chasing and beating the protesting lawyers on the streets of Lahore at around 1pm. The TV channel showed senior Supreme Court lawyer Sardar Latif Khosa with a bleeding head being taken by colleagues for medical treatment.

After a while, another private TV channel, Geo News, aired the footage of the same incident.

After some time, the two channels went off the air simultaneously. The transmission of the two channels resumed after several minutes with a different footage of the Lahore incident.

Sources told Dawn that an official of the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra) in Sindh contacted the managements of the channels on telephone and told them not to telecast the scenes of police action against lawyers.

They said the Pemra official was particularly angry over the scenes in which Latif Khosa was shown bleeding from a cut on his head. The managements of both the channels replied that they were telecasting the news report because their competitor was also showing it, they said.

The sources said the managements of all private TV channels were under pressure and issued ‘verbal orders’ not to give too much coverage to the ongoing judicial crisis.

Despite several attempts, Dawn failed to contact Information Minister Mohammad Ali Durrani and State Minister Tariq Azeem to seek the government’s version.

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