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JaanBazz Bhai,
I am not saying its right or wrong, I just find the responses by people like Pir Farid and Kehkashan very hypocritical my friend.
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More Developments:
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=6455
Do SJC members have impeccable credentials?
These sources said that two of the three judges are already faced with references pending before the SJC. A third judge is said to have had his two daughters admitted to a medical college on the basis of special seats offered by a chief minister. A son-in-law of the same judge was also appointed deputy secretary in the provincial secretariat of the same province on deputation.
The pending references against the two judges, who along with three other members of the Supreme Judicial Council will decide the fate of the recently rendered “inactive” Chief Justice of Pakistan, pertains to alleged corruption and embezzlement. One of these two judges is facing allegations of involvement in a land corruption case while the other is accused of being involved in financial embezzlement.
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Iftikhar seeks open trial
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Nevertheless, what happened is also a big signal to people in government; that includes people in power, that if they would do any corruption or wrongdoings, they could find themselves in similar fate as what met by Chief Justice. I am sure that what happened with CJ on his wrongdoings must have started making government officials (bureaucrats) and ministers sweat, as they might have realised that plate under them could get too hot to handle if they abuse power, do nepotism, involve in corruption or do any thing wrong. [Actually, to an extend, politician and GS of PML(Q) Imtiaz Shaikh met similar fate because of corruption
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well thats funny...if corrupt people are reprehanded then about 95% of our politicians will have to go...as far as imtiaz sheikh is concerned, he had to leave because he had rift with the CM Sindh Ghulam Arbab Raheem...what about the ministers (most of them in the present regime) who switched sides to avoid their pending nab cases...and now when they try to wiggle a bit their files are opened and then they start behaving themselves...all the points that have been mentioned in naeem bokhari's letter are nothing as compared to the mega corruption being carried out by the various ministers of the present regime...if the son of the CJ was illegally inducted what action has the governmnent taken against those people responsible for inducting his son? or are those people toeing the line of the government...Mr. Bhagwandas was kept out in the cold as his policies were similar to Mr. Iftikhar, whereas Mr. Javed Iqbal's soft stance on Musharraf's dual role has landed him the Acting CJ slot...according to the government Mr. Iftikhar was removed as he couldnt head the SJC being the head of Supreme Court, but if Musharraf is impeached will he also be replaced by an acting president during the proceddings?
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\03\12\story_12-3-2007_pg1_5
Read the last line…even Naeem Bokhari agrees Mushy made a boo boo with this one :hehe:
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Mayor, not governor. The point i'm making is still the same. Musharaf cannot remove these people constitutionally or suspend them. He can remove the CJ though.
under the constitution Musharraf made, he can replace the appointed governor's as well
Edit by mod: Don't insult people
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Spock bhai
Do you realize that there are many many ordinary Pakistanis who are not MWM, Nawaz Sharif or Benazir supporters but feel that this move by Musharraf was wrong? Even my relatives in the army feel that Musharraf did a bad thing by summoning a sitting CJ to his army camp and questioned him while wearing the uniform. Constitution only allows a President to refer to SJC and not remove or suspend the CJ. Military officers under probe are never suspended.
This is not an issue of Musharraf supporters vs. haters.
Musharraf's deep politicisation of the Army, it's movement away from a professional Army has every professional soldier shaking his head
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Nope, try reading your own Constitution (even I know what it says more than you).
It’s all in “The Judicature” page, …
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And this just highlights how poor (and free) Pakistani media is at reporting. My guess is Bokari didnt even say it, or if he did it’s been mistranslated or something. Because either way, the Constitution is clear that Musharraf can suspend the CJ and other judges too.
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Lets see who is a …
(3) The Governor shall hold office during the pleasure of the President
(5) The President may make such provision as he thinks fit for the discharge of the functions of a Governor]
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Try keeping up with the discussion. I know it’s difficult for all you semi literates that have clubbed together with RealDeal, but try. We’re not talking about Governors, so why bring this up now (if you could read on the last page, I quite clearly corrected myself and said Mayors or other democratically elected bodies). The governor is elected by the president and can be discharged by the president. Clear? Now you tell me and give me evidence for all the crooks in Musharraf’s cabinet, or the people who he gave positions of power to.
PS The part you should be concentrating on is here
177. Appointment of Supreme Court Judges. (1) The Chief Justice of Pakistan shall be appointed by the President, and each of the other Judges shall be appointed by the President after consultation with the Chief Justice. Chapter 2: "The Supreme Court of Pakistan." of Part VII: "The Judicature"
The Judicature
(5) If, on information **[231A]](http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part7.ch4.notes.html#231A)* [from any source, the Council or] the President is of the opinion that a Judge of the Supreme Court or of a High Court, *
(a)* may** be incapable of properly performing the duties of his office by reason of physical or mental incapacity; or (b) may have been guilty of misconduct, the President shall direct the Council to **[231B]](http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part7.ch4.notes.html#231B) , or the Council may, on its own motion,] inquire into the matter. *
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Firstly, you kept bragging that governor is very corrupt and is elected, then u back tracked and said Mayor.
Now go back to post 308, TRD said President can dismiss governor, u replied:
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Firstly, you kept bragging that governor is very corrupt and is elected, then u back tracked and said Mayor.
Now go back to post 308, TRD said President can dismiss governor, u replied:
Sheesh, whatever. I'm not a Pakistani, I do not live there, but I know more of its consitution than you, and I dont have any bias towards any political party, unlike the majority.
Now read what you wrote, and when you wrote it. I "backtracked" on the page before last. TRD response was on this page. If the only thing you can bring up against me is about how the governor is brought to power, then I know that your argument is very weak and lacking any substantive. It is the MAYOR and other Assembly positions that are elected by the people, and this is how corrupt people come to power. You find me one appointee by Musharaf that has been seriously corrupt or a murderer or something (like the Karachi one that was elected by the people), and bring your evidence.
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[mod]Everyone mind the language please[/mod]
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Sheesh, whatever. Get this through your skull if you can. I'm not a Pakistani, I do not live there, but I know more of its consitution than you, and I dont have any bias towards any political party, unlike the majority of you backward corrupt pricks.
Now read what you wrote, and when you wrote it. I "backtracked" on the page before last. TheFakeDeal response was on this page. If the only thing you can bring up against me is about how the governor is brought to power, then I know that your argument is very weak and lacking any substantive. It is the MAYOR and other Assembly positions that are elected by the people, and this is how corrupt people come to power. You find me one appointee by Musharaf that has been seriously corrupt or a murderer or something (like the Karachi one that was elected by the people), and bring your evidence.
Listen kid, u do not have enough neurons to take part in any meaningful discussion, so i'll leave it to you and TRD. Ur knowledge of Pakistan constitution is evident when u say that governor is elected.
And last thinh i'll say to you is that Governor Sindh Ishratul-Ibad is a known corrupt and murderer belonging to MQM, and cases are registered against him in Karachi.
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Pakistani politician got paid £1,000 a month in UK benefits
As the governor of Sindh province in Pakistan, Dr Ishrat-Ul-Ebad Khan lives in a mansion in the state capital while being waited on by servants and chauffeured in Mercedes limousines.
Yet, while enjoying the perks of his position, Dr Khan was for 10 months the recipient of money from the benefits system, including income support worth about £1,000 a month.
Last night Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP whose Hendon constituency includes the house rented by the Khans, called on ministers to launch an immediate inquiry.
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I watched Naeem Bokhari's interview on HumTV last night in the weekly Sunday night show that he himself hosts and holds interviews with prominent personalities. This Sunday though, the witty Naeem Bokhari was on the opposite chair and one of his colleagues from HUMTV interviewed him. And it was entertaining; something Naeem Bokhari is quite good at. Like he himself said and I translate 'I have a habit of making even serious things look fun'. So he was in his usual spirit, joking about the whole scenario. Not shying away from mentioning names or expressing his inner thoughts on some leaders of yesteryear. Bhutto, Gen Zia. Numerous CJPs of the past and many political figures and lawyers.
Ironically last Sunday in his programme he had interviewed Shaukat Aziz. The Sunday before that, the President General Musharraf.
He mentioned one of his old colleagues and the advice he got from him; 'disown your signature'. To which he said he had told him 'I have to look at my face everyday inevitably as I need to shave in the morning, I couldn't possibly face my self if I backed out...'
He is firm and proud of what he did and is at peace that he did not do it for him self and didnt care what the reports about his license say. He was very courteous towards the Justice Iftikhar as well and was completely unbiased in his views, denied any personal connections with Gen Mush or the govt.
He said he couldnt be sure at all if his letter had anything to do with this episode or what the reference actually contained. And, he was quite neutral in making any comments about what he felt abt the govt's way of handling this and whether he thought if making the CJ defunct before the hearing was right.
He also joked abt the rumour that the letter was drafted by ISI, 'which general can write such english' he asked.
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Officials of the provincial administration said the home department had withdrawn the two cases against Dr Ishratul Ibad, which were registered against him during the Muttahida strike, called on February 7, 1990.
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Haris, i listened to parts of the interview, i agree that he is witty and entertaining, however, i doubt he has the moral high ground that he proclaims. Isn't this the first letter i he has ever written? Has it been always rosy with all CJ's b4 this one?
Anyhow, the letter may be just a co-incident. If Zille-Subhani had decided to remove CJ, he had to go, whether, Bukhari had written a lette or not.
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Naeem’s letter was just an excuse. If letters mattered so much to Musharraf, he would’ve followed the advice of his former colleagues when they asked him to resign in an open letter.
haris, I dont think we can trust Naeem Bokhari when he claims innocence. I mean no one expects him to go on TV and parrot out all of the behind the scene winks and nudges. Trust him to never even look like he received any advice from the presidency. A successful lawyer is just that…a good actor. And Naeem is very good. My law teacher once told me that 
B/w: my sister studied law from him in A level for a while. She doesn’t hold him in high regards. I am told he’s unlike the guy u see on TV. Then again, u can’t fault him to exaggerate the movements of his hands and his laugh to be more presnentable.